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Question to all artists who've tripped: how do you capture those visions accurately?

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During an intense experience, you will see profound, mystical, bizarre, beautiful (or just plain indescribable) visions that you never could have imagined. I know I have.

But how in the world do you manage to draw something like that? As an experienced artist, have you developed a more powerful visual memory? Do you find ways to notate the essential aspects quickly before the idea escapes you?

I want to know how people have managed to come back from mind-shattering experiences with these images that look exactly like some CEVs I've had. How do they do it? How do they get it so exact?
 
I'm also interested in musicians, and how their creativity has been affected by psychedelic experiences.
 
I just work as I am tripping and try to capture the essence of what I am experiencing, like sketches of either artwork or else musical sketches. I just let whatever ideas posses me to take over and get as many and as much of it all out and recorded. Over time as I got used to working while tripping, I find that when I am "on" I can finish a whole song in one night from conception to final mix, not always, but sometimes the flow just takes over and it is like I am a mere conduit allowing this greater creative power to use me like a tool to make this music or art. It can be quite rapturous to be honest. At times I am baffled at how I came to make something so awesome and sometimes couldn't do it again if I tried. Then there's all those sketches...those I go back to when I am maybe just stoned, or sober and inspired, and tinker tinker tinker to try to make them resonate with what I was thinking they were when I was tripping making them. Both ways have helped me make some good stuff, sketches, collages and music mostly...
 
I really do find that peace of mind is one of the biggest factors for being able to remember and connect what you saw.

Unless that artist was one hell of a visionary, I doubt that is JUST like how they saw it, rather that is their relatively close artistic perspective on the nature of psychedelic fractals.

As an experienced artist, have you developed a more powerful visual memory? Do you find ways to notate the essential aspects quickly before the idea escapes you?


Hell yeah! I have played piano, guitar, and drums since I was a kid and music has changed from a foreign sound in my life to a comical little show in my head that makes sense. (When I hear songs, I can most often see the solfege of the notes in my thought sphere along with pulsating rhythms. This makes my trips pretty fucking nuts when I listen to music, it's a good base for psychedelia.)
 
Unless that artist was one hell of a visionary, I doubt that is JUST like how they saw it

Exactly. They're just based off of the fractals & images. You're not trying to make an exact photo-copy or anything.
 
It is possible to partially go back to the imagines you imagined when you were tripping. Let's say you had a good psychedelic experience and you somehow still remember some of the images. Maybe try making some sketches of the images so that you have a better memory of them later. Then when you lay down to sleep, that time between awakeness and sleep is the time when those images come back to me. I can go back to certain images again and again if I try and concentrate on then during that time between sleep and awakeness. For some reason its pretty close in creativity potential to a psychedelic experience, at least for me. IThe two combined together can make up some good art.

I speak from experience. I have a whole bunch of art I did when I did psychedelics, they decorate my walls. Unfortunately I haven't tripped for years because I do not do well with mushrooms and haven't known anyone that can acquire LSD in a long time. Shrooms are all I can get and my body hates them unfortunately. I will definitely trip again when the time comes.
 
Exactly. They're just based off of the fractals & images. You're not trying to make an exact photo-copy or anything.

I think that except perhaps in special cases, any artist who is communicating an experience through their art is going to end up communicating more than a single experience... more like the essence of psychedelia to them at that time combined with an individual experience. It's not like all the psychedelic art out there is 100% what you saw during a trip... I'm sure Alex Gray for example doesn't take acid and see exactly what he paints. But what he has gotten from the psychedelic experience, he expresses through his paintings.

I know when I write about experiences, more ends up coming out than just the simple relating of thought processes and visions during that experience. It ends up being a complete product of all of the psychedelic experience I've had thus far in life, a building up of a concept based on a bunch of different smaller experiences. It's based on a single trip and it's telling that story, but the art that comes out contains more than just that.
 
I think this might do better in PD.

Thank you. Ha, it looks like not a single person replied while I was asleep, but everyone else could have been sleeping too?

I wanted to post another, similar thread in this forum but it looks like I'll have to wait for this to run its course. It was about posting images that strongly (or exactly) resembled the CEV/OEVs/Headspace you'd get from a certain trip.

For instance, which of these thumbnails looks like something you'd see during a trip (any substance):

Huge image: http://i51.tinypic.com/2di2784.jpg

Some of them are trippy, but not realistic. Others seem like they came right out of a CEV/Ego loss.

I'll make this thread another day, or maybe someone else can make it and I'll post everything I wanted to post in that thread. :)
 
I'm also interested in musicians, and how their creativity has been affected by psychedelic experiences.

In terms of Music, the melodies I come up with are 1:1 with the audio hallucinations I have. They may not sound exactly the same (perhaps a trippy sound that I'd have to synthesize), but the melodiies, harmonies, and rhythms are exactly the same. Luckily, music benefits greatly from tripping. I can't forget those ideas because I can play or sing the ideas as they're happening.

Tripping changes your musical ideas the same way it changes your thought patterns. Everything becomes novel, simple but perfect new ideas come to you with ease. You find it so easy to create and create and create.

You are also way more spontaneous, BUT! You spontaneity always seems to hit the right notes. It's so amazing. You can make a mistake and turn it into a great sounding song. If you were sober, that mistake wouldn't have gone anywhere.

If you have any musician friends who trip, please ask them if you can hang around the next time they plan to trip and make music. You'll love it.

I think that except perhaps in special cases, any artist who is communicating an experience through their art is going to end up communicating more than a single experience... more like the essence of psychedelia to them at that time combined with an individual experience. It's not like all the psychedelic art out there is 100% what you saw during a trip... I'm sure Alex Gray for example doesn't take acid and see exactly what he paints. But what he has gotten from the psychedelic experience, he expresses through his paintings.

I know when I write about experiences, more ends up coming out than just the simple relating of thought processes and visions during that experience. It ends up being a complete product of all of the psychedelic experience I've had thus far in life, a building up of a concept based on a bunch of different smaller experiences. It's based on a single trip and it's telling that story, but the art that comes out contains more than just that.

Now back to visuals: Alex Grey is a perfect example. He might not make these exactly, but he does such a great job of expressing the idea of "psychedelic" that I was convinced he had eidectic memory. Which is a possibility for some of these visionary art works (I would like to believe).

But it seems as if psychedelics change your sense of aesthetics and that whatever you draw has an authentic psychedelic feel if you want it to. Like, if an artist had never seen a Picasso cubist painting or Dali's melting clocks, but that artist happened to be very skilled, they could immediately make some very inspired Cubist / Surrealist paintings from a short impression. Is that what you mean? It's pretty much the same thing for CEVs/OEVs?

As an aside, I've always wanted to write psychedelic poetry but words have failed me. You can write endlessly about what you've experienced, but you can't make the words themselves psychedelic. Unless you did some kind of psychedelic kinetic typography, which is kind of like cheating.
 
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To clarify, I did not mean that it is guesswork. But it kind of is, I think art is a meeting between your hands and God's. Not exactly literally, but that intertwining of such ridiculous intuition with what we know as human time that turns into badass shit IS the art. Our perception is not the art, but the filter that goes on before, during, and after it.
 
It is always a compromise to bring sights and sounds from the other side back here and put them down on paper or repeat them on a musical instrument. I have some drawings based on things I saw in my dreams mostly and I remember the dream pretty vividly but am waiting until I can figure out how to really depict what I saw because my artistic skills are not that great.

I think music would be easier to accurately recreate, and I believe all real good music that people feel comes from the other side. It is basically inspired by muses and the artist or band is just a medium to transfer the information. Led Zeppelin, the Beach Boys, the Stones, just a few you will recognize were way more than the sum of their parts when they were ON.

Hardest thing about music is finding a good sound, that is 90% of it right there! Much more expensive to make music than visual art / paintings.

Technology helps artists greatly, I think Alex Grey makes use of a lot of technology. Our minds are evolving every time we make use of a new technology we remember and reopen neural pathways and more greatly comprehend 3D images. I believe.
 
I think music would be easier to accurately recreate, and I believe all real good music that people feel comes from the other side. It is basically inspired by muses and the artist or band is just a medium to transfer the information. Led Zeppelin, the Beach Boys, the Stones, just a few you will recognize were way more than the sum of their parts when they were ON.

Hardest thing about music is finding a good sound, that is 90% of it right there! Much more expensive to make music than visual art / paintings.


You know, sometimes that worries me. So many good musicians owe it all to drugs, and so many of my great ideas come from drugs, it makes me doubt my actual talent. I've made only a handful of things I can be proud of while sober. But a lot of my best work was drug inspired.

With visual artists, I've discovered that this isn't always the case. Dali claims he didn't do drugs. That's pretty outrageous if you ask me! Dr. Seuss didn't take drugs either, which is equally surprising (I know most people think he did in order to come up with his books).

I always wonder: how creative could I be without drugs? It's a question I'd love to answer, but it's too late now. Even if I remain sober, I'll forever be changed by those unforgettable nights.

I want to see a straight edge vs drugs concert. Like 5 bands who've never used any drugs vs 5 bands who have used drugs heavily or are on drugs at the time of the concert. Just have them improvise and see what they come up with.
 
^ Sobriety should be a base for your psychedelic revelations or else you aren't going to get close to as far as you can. (Compare a cat taking LSD compared to Francis Crick.)
 
this is an awsome thread many a times ive thought about drawing out my psychedelic experiences. i think i oughta pick up the pencil and brush more since ive been slackin big time the last few years.

to answer your question i don't think there's any method to visually capturing the psychedelic experience. your best bet would be to draw what you're seeing in the moment and build from those rough drawings when your sober and can integrate the experience better. maybe take a journal and jot down notes of what your seeing or a tape recorder. hell maybe even listening to music while your tripping then listening to the same thing when drawing will help you recapture the experience and translate it to a canvas easier. everyone has their own style of creating and techniques through every step of the creative process. find out what works best for you is my advice

thanks for the thread though this kick started my interest in drawing out the visuals and landscapes ive seen while tripping i already got an idea in mind right now

also i too am curious if theres any artists here that have tried to recreate there psychedelic experiences via paintings or drawings. id really like to hear from you and see some o f your work
 
As a musician, I have found that psychedelics are my greatest ally when creating music. Not only have they assisted in me achieving mental clarity before composing (thus breaking down these preconceived notions of what music "should" be and how it should sound) they've also been the basis for alot of music I've made.

A good deal of the songs I've made were actually intended to be listened to in conjunction with entheogenic meditation and guide my trip in more quiescent directions. I always was one who placed a great deal of emphasis on atmosphere, invoking emotions and creating lush soundscapes through music and psychedelics have greatly amplified that.

www.myspace.com/acalmingbreeze - dreamlike ambient

It should be noted that my musical roots are in extreme metal ;) However, psychedelics have inspired me not to create music, but to merely bring out the music within me. I've dabbled in everything from black metal to acoustic to trip hop to drone to doom to post rock to ambient.

If anybody's interested in the material in the above link I wouldn't mind sending it. I've had some extraordinary glowing experiences on them and want to share that with my fellow enthusiasts. :D
 
I think of poetry as an element that is similar to music and visual art in terms of the broad creative focus it can bring. I use my poetry as my way of painting, and some of these poems are like expressions of paintings or music or both.

As I have tripped, I focus that creative energy towards how poetry works, how it is organized, and how the structure can be presented in ways that are akin to a trip. I like to focus on imagery and construction. Poetry is my music and my canvas.
 
In terms of Music, the melodies I come up with are 1:1 with the audio hallucinations I have. They may not sound exactly the same (perhaps a trippy sound that I'd have to synthesize), but the melodiies, harmonies, and rhythms are exactly the same. Luckily, music benefits greatly from tripping. I can't forget those ideas because I can play or sing the ideas as they're happening.

Tripping changes your musical ideas the same way it changes your thought patterns. Everything becomes novel, simple but perfect new ideas come to you with ease. You find it so easy to create and create and create.

You are also way more spontaneous, BUT! You spontaneity always seems to hit the right notes. It's so amazing. You can make a mistake and turn it into a great sounding song. If you were sober, that mistake wouldn't have gone anywhere.

If you have any musician friends who trip, please ask them if you can hang around the next time they plan to trip and make music. You'll love it.

Absolutely Awesome (capital deserved). I've never actually tripped around my guitars or my computer before, so...
 
As a musician, I have found that psychedelics are my greatest ally when creating music. Not only have they assisted in me achieving mental clarity before composing (thus breaking down these preconceived notions of what music "should" be and how it should sound) they've also been the basis for alot of music I've made.

A good deal of the songs I've made were actually intended to be listened to in conjunction with entheogenic meditation and guide my trip in more quiescent directions. I always was one who placed a great deal of emphasis on atmosphere, invoking emotions and creating lush soundscapes through music and psychedelics have greatly amplified that.

www.myspace.com/acalmingbreeze - dreamlike ambient

It should be noted that my musical roots are in extreme metal ;) However, psychedelics have inspired me not to create music, but to merely bring out the music within me. I've dabbled in everything from black metal to acoustic to trip hop to drone to doom to post rock to ambient.

If anybody's interested in the material in the above link I wouldn't mind sending it. I've had some extraordinary glowing experiences on them and want to share that with my fellow enthusiasts. :D

I too dabble in many different kinds. Please send me some, this is good and I'd like to try it out tripping!
 
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