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Question regarding Research Chemicals

Seven-One-Eight

Seven-One-Eight

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Not sure if this is the right place for this post; mods feel free to move it if it isn't.

I don't have any experience with research chemicals, but I've always been interested in them. Seeing as most people don't sell these substances (at least where I'm at), I'm wondering how one goes about obtaining them. Is the general consensus ordering them online (not asking for a referral, please don't take it as such)? That's what worries me when it comes to these chemicals, because there is always a chance you may receieve something harmful instead. I was also wondering if there was any way to possibly test these chemicals once you've received them (i.e. accurate testing kits, etc.). If not, I can't see buying these chemicals online to be safe. If anyone could spare some time to enlighten an RC noob, I would appreciate it.
 
What would one do with a 'research chemical'? Aren't they supposed to be untested chemicals that may have unknown and dangerous side effects if taken internally. Not to mention that seasoned respectable labs don't sell them to the average joe schmo so for the masses...they are only available from online drug dealers which mix up chemicals, mislabel them, weigh them out wrong, or sometimes outright fraudulently misrepresent them. You are better of sticking with crack dealers!

What is a research chemical anyway? A stimulant, a 5-HT agonist, a dewormer? Cleaning fluid?
 
The research chemicals are only legal if sold without the intent of human consumption. You buying them with the intent to consume them is illegal.
 
^^Yes but there is no way Johnny Law can prove you are going to consume them...unless you post it for anyone to see on an freely accessed connected network of computers or something.

haha sorry as for your actual question.

Seven-One-Eight said:
I can't see buying these chemicals online to be safe.
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Thou art enlightened!

p.s. I've done 2,3-methylbutanol which is a chemical. And it could be used for research. I was fine. Does this help?
 
Playing semantics with the term "research chemicals" is counterproductive. We all know what the term means. Getting a good scale and a testing kit will enhance the odds that what you're getting is what it's claimed to be, and also enable you to weigh the portions correctly.

There is risk in everything, including rock climbing or mountaineering, but the cries of outrage seem to be quite diminished compared to when someone states their intention to experiment with research chemicals.
 
I'd say get a few reagent test kits (Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, etc) and dig up info on what color/reaction time the drug you're attempting to purchase gives. Also do a bunch of research on vendors to make sure you're not using one that has a bad track record of mislabelling, shorting, etc
 
^with bluelight's strict no-vendor-talk policy, it's kind of hard to do such research without getting trapped by spam vendors with lots of time to advertise. but in general, avoid flashy vendors (especially ones that advertise 'plant food' or anything that has connotations for human consumption)

most 2c compounds seem to give a similar reagent reaction as their potent amphetamine counterparts, so this test is only useful in discriminating between broad families.

in general, it seems most vendors (that i have experience with) are pretty good about labelling and proper weight. personally i wouldn't buy a drug like 2C-I (dosage in the 20mg range) from a vendor who also stocks drugs like DOI (dosage in the 1mg range) in case of a mis-label.

be sure you own or have access to a 0.001g (1mg) scale before you even consider placing an order for research chemicals. and always do a sub-milligram test (dissolve 10mg in 100ml water and test 1ml ==> 0.1mg) to ensure you don't have an allergic reaction or mislabelled product.

good luck and happy research
 
Seven-One-Eight said:
Not sure if this is the right place for this post; mods feel free to move it if it isn't.

I don't have any experience with research chemicals, but I've always been interested in them. Seeing as most people don't sell these substances (at least where I'm at), I'm wondering how one goes about obtaining them. Is the general consensus ordering them online (not asking for a referral, please don't take it as such)? That's what worries me when it comes to these chemicals, because there is always a chance you may receieve something harmful instead...
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Are you comparing the online drug market to the black market? Comparing street synthetics to those obtained online? Or are you comparing online synthetics to street plant-based drugs or those that are not processed from plants (i.e. heroin, coke, etc.) that could be cut with something nasty? If you are comparing synthetics to synthetics, I'm having trouble following your line of thought.

At least from an online vender, you know with 99,9% certainty the chemical originated from an actual lab, albeit most likely in a country with lax quality control regulations, but we're not talking about god knows what cut with god knows what, sold under the guise of *insert synthetic drug of choice*. The risks are real, but as long as safety precautions are taken to avoid mislabeling, idiosyncratic reactions, and proper dosage, we are dealing with pure compounds here.

Of course the unknown long-term side effects that could result from the use of relatively unknown substances is a real risk as well, but that seems to be outside of this argument.
 
greenmeanies said:
^with bluelight's strict no-vendor-talk policy, it's kind of hard to do such research without getting trapped by spam vendors with lots of time to advertise. but in general, avoid flashy vendors (especially ones that advertise 'plant food' or anything that has connotations for human consumption)

most 2c compounds seem to give a similar reagent reaction as their potent amphetamine counterparts, so this test is only useful in discriminating between broad families.

in general, it seems most vendors (that i have experience with) are pretty good about labelling and proper weight. personally i wouldn't buy a drug like 2C-I (dosage in the 20mg range) from a vendor who also stocks drugs like DOI (dosage in the 1mg range) in case of a mis-label.

be sure you own or have access to a 0.001g (1mg) scale before you even consider placing an order for research chemicals. and always do a sub-milligram test (dissolve 10mg in 100ml water and test 1ml ==> 0.1mg) to ensure you don't have an allergic reaction or mislabelled product.

good luck and happy research
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all good advice, but you can do research on vendors quite easily elsewhere on the web. And with sub-mg tests and careful attention paid to dosage you can quite easily avoid an unpleasant or dangerous experience
 
^^^ Agreed. A milligram scale is really only necessary if you want to weigh out single doses of dry powder. With liquid dosing, as long as you have a scale accurate enough to weigh your starting mass accurately, you can dose by volume down to the milligram quite accurately. All you need is a measured volume of solvent (distilled water and ethanol are popular options), a measured mass of the compound and an airtight container so you won't lose volume to evaporation.
 
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