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Question regarding potency of poppy seed tea

shoo-bop

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Just thought I'd look for opinions on here regarding a question that recently came up related to research I'm doing as part of my job. This research involves converting doses of some opioids that people have reported using into equianalgesic oral morphine equivalents for the purpose of data entry. Recently poppy seed tea came up, and we realised we hadn't really thought of that before.

Now I know there's no precise answer to this question given the variations in morphine and codeine content in different strains of poppy seeds, and also depending on whether or not they've been washed prior to sale, and that even more variability is introduced by the variations in preparation practices used by different users. However, I'm also aware that there are people on here who have considerable experience preparing this concoction, and would have probably got their technique down to the point that they may get a relatively consistent "yield" from their seeds. So I guess I'm addressing this question specifically to those people, and only if they also have some experience of other opioids to draw on. So my question is:

Roughly, on average, what would you say is the equivalent dose of another opioid (e.g. morphine, codeine, oxycodone, methadone, etc.) to, say, tea made from 1 kg poppy seeds, in terms of how stoned it gets you/how well it holds you/etc?

The only estimate I've got so far, from an expert in the field, is that tea from 1 kg poppy seeds works out to be roughly as potent as about 60-100 mg oral morphine or about 20 mg methadone.

If you reckon it's so variable that there's no point even trying to answer, I'm interested in knowing that as well.

Edit: the reason I'm submitting this to ADD is that this research is based in Australia, and so the strains of seeds, and the ways they're processed, may be different in other countries, so I think Australian answers would be most useful.
 
got their technique down to the point that they may get a relatively consistent "yield" from their seeds

Nothing to do with technique, everything to do with the seeds themselves. Unfortunately, you're asking a question that cannot be answered with any grain of consistency. Sorry.
 
shoo-bop said:
If you reckon it's so variable that there's no point even trying to answer, I'm interested in knowing that as well.

I think this. I use seeds every day but in particular, pst is so long lasting that it's difficult for me to even begin to compare it with other opioids I've used, which have usually had relatively short half lives. I don't know how to compare the slow burning, long lasting 'milder' high of pst with something like smack, which may be more intense but lasts a quarter as long. Which is 'stronger' in that case? It completely depends on the time frame you're talking about, so for me, it's impossible to tell. Pst is a completely unique opioid feeling for me too.
 
^
It's much less about the technique, in fact it's barely about the technique. Heat kills the active ingredients, anyway. All you do is put seeds in a bottle and shake it around.
The seeds are extremely varied. People can buy seeds from the same shop/company and have completely different yields.
1kg is also a pretty big dose, even with a tolerance. It could do serious damage to someone without an opiate damage, if not cause an OD.
I also think it's more than our Poppies have 2 different strains (predominantly) one with less? thebaine.
I'm sure someone more knowledgable can comment on that more precisely, but as far as potency of seeds go, it's quite varied.
 
Theres a thread floating around somewhere where someone actually tested PST for morphine content. You should just cheat and find that.

edit: I had a quick look for you but couldnt find it sorry. Im too lazy to keep looking :)
 
Theres a thread floating around somewhere where someone actually tested PST for morphine content. You should just cheat and find that.

edit: I had a quick look for you but couldnt find it sorry. Im too lazy to keep looking :)

Which would only tell you what it was for that particular batch, and not give an actual consistent answer. Dangerous, if it's going into conversion literature.
 
^ That still wouldn't be useful data as batches vary so much.

DeathDomokun said:
It's much less about the technique, in fact it's barely about the technique. Heat kills the active ingredients, anyway. All you do is put seeds in a bottle and shake it around.

Were you talking to me DeathDomokun?
 
I agree but it would be as useful as anything the OP is going to get himself. Unless he tests a batch a week/month for a year.
 
I agree but it would be as useful as anything the OP is going to get himself. Unless he tests a batch a week/month for a year.

Agreed, however because of what the OP is planning on doing with the information, I'd suggest that taking this tactic is dangerous, and the OP should basically not bother on getting an empirical answer for this question. It's just not likely to be much use, unless he runs a bunch of tests and presents the info as a range of answers.
 
It really is way to variable.

For reliability you need a lab setting with scientists who know what they're doing when testing each batch and measuring alkaloid content.

AFAIK no average user knows how to do this. (If they do it would be wonderful if they posted how.) :)
 
Nah I wasn't foots. I made my post in the same minute as yours, it wasn't there when I posted mine. I was agreeing the the first reply, because the extraction/technique is easy.
 
Check the codeine thread i posted my method, back when i used to do it (pre-drug test lol, I'm a clean boy now!)
 
All good Domokun.

C_Tripper said:
Which would only tell you what it was for that particular batch, and not give an actual consistent answer. Dangerous, if it's going into conversion literature.

I agree. Putting in the result from one batch may lead people to become complacent with the seeds they take, assuming that if it says that this much pst has been shown to have this much morphine, that they can take an amount straight up, without taking precautions first and starting low. Dangerous if someone happens upon a batch which is much stronger than that.

Even taking a range of purities would be dangerous I think (not to mention time consuming), because you're going to come out with a range of purities, and people will be liable to take the top one as a max, when it's possible there's still even stronger ones around.
 
Back when I went on the methadone in wellington I think it was 05/06 I was part of the study into poppy tea that I think produced 60 mg oral morphine equivalent that gets bandied about, I knew plenty of people in NZ who got on the programme using poppy tea almost exclusively with daily doses getting up to 60 to 80 mgs of methadone. I think that the poppy tea that was available at the time in NZ was quite a bit stronger than what you might find in supermarkets of Melbourne now, but it's probably the most useful survey given the prevalence of tea use at the time and they did the survey through all the CADS in NZ.

As for now I've got down to 50 mg daily done and if I party and need not to be sick 1kg will hold me (from a slight nod to still feeling a bit sick and squittery but not suicidal - thats just me tho take it with a grain of salt and please be careful).

my non scientific 2 cents
 
Each seed contains 0-250ug of morphine, cited in the poppy seed tea thread, pretty far back though.
One batch can knock you the fuck out, the other you wont feel.

Dangerous water, dip your toes in before you go drinking down a kg new batch.
I tried 250grams once, felt like shit, only because of the taste.
No where near enough, but then again, the varying potency makes all of this mass really inaccurate.
 
Heat kills the active ingredients, anyway.

Have you read how they cook the opium over in those opium producing countries? I believe they call it cooking because they cook the opium, heat doesn't kill the active ingredients at all. I know there's supposed to be a certain point at which morphine breaks down, 75 degrees or something, but it does't "kill" it. We wouldn't have heroin if heat killed opiods.
 
Yeah the whole heat thing is a fallacy. I do my first shake for 5 mins with warm to hot water as I honestly believe this gets the works better than cold water. Im sure boiling water would be a no-no, but not hot water.
 
^heat and extra time makes the seeds saturate and absorb the liquid and actives, as well as releasing oils and unpleasant smells/flavours into your wash.
3 quick washes with agitation is my preferred method. don't let it sit.
takes 5 minutes or less, start to finish. any longer and you get that smell, which is unnecessary as it yields no more of the desirable alkaloids.

in regards to the question of comparing pst to other opiates, for my money that's like saying "how many grams of psilocybe mushrooms would i need to eat in order to get a trip like LSD".
they're different beasts with different (albeit similar) effects. the cocktail of alkaloids in any opium preparation give a very different set of effects (intensity, duration etc) to a refined pharmaceutical opiate or heroin.
opium poppies vary in potency according to genetics, growing conditions and so forth, so the answer to such a question is elusive even with precise weights of ground up poppy pods or opium straw. there is no way to be sure about a batch of seeds being good or useless, as there is no real way to know what the required dose may be; it is trial and error all the way.
 
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Back when I went on the methadone in wellington I think it was 05/06 I was part of the study into poppy tea that I think produced 60 mg oral morphine equivalent that gets bandied about, I knew plenty of people in NZ who got on the programme using poppy tea almost exclusively with daily doses getting up to 60 to 80 mgs of methadone. I think that the poppy tea that was available at the time in NZ was quite a bit stronger than what you might find in supermarkets of Melbourne now, but it's probably the most useful survey given the prevalence of tea use at the time and they did the survey through all the CADS in NZ.

As for now I've got down to 50 mg daily done and if I party and need not to be sick 1kg will hold me (from a slight nod to still feeling a bit sick and squittery but not suicidal - thats just me tho take it with a grain of salt and please be careful).

my non scientific 2 cents

I find it fascinating that poppy tea was such a big thing in NZ at one time (if it isn't to this day).

Just goes to show that drug users will always find a way.
 
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