• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

Question regarding Datura

:{ d. }:

:{ d. }:

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 6, 2010
Messages
143
Location
vagrant entheoscapes
Having gone through a lengthy period of diphenhydramine usage in the high range doses, I ended up being one of the lucky few (or unlucky would be the general conensus) who went far in enough to experience full-blown delerium - chatting on my dead cellphone with 5 different people in the same conversation, non-existent arguing with my girlfriend at 3AM at a random airport I didn't even know existed by my house, going through packs of Newports I never bought.

Fun times. :D Except for the unknown liver damage I caused myself, and the failure to achieve the desired effects ratio to the times I was successful.

In any case, I am now looking to acquire some Datura, though I had a few questions before I did so.

First off, what parts of the plant are most high in the alkaloids? Are the seeds (which is what I will be getting) as active as the other parts?

Secondly, is there any difference between datura stramonium and datura ferox regarding psychoactivity and what would be the best option to go with?
 
The danger with datura is that there is no way to know the alkaloid content. It could be extremely low or extremely high, you might feel nothing or you might die. There is no consistency from one plant to the next, and when the active dose is as close as it is to the lethal dose - you're asking for trouble.
 
So in essence, it's a twisted game of Russian Roulette with the alkaloid content. Is there even a set range for each part of the plant or is it virtually unknown? I've heard of people (well over on dmt-nexus) ingesting 2 seeds in conjunction with some -huasca preparation to ease the nausea? The exact reason escapes me at the moment but I've familiarized myself with the trip reports at Erowid and it seems to me that the effects don't really take hold until the 4-7 range - though even then the effects could go from threshold to heavy without any warning.
 
Well, on one hand, ive seen people take 20+ and not trip at all, and on the other, ive heard of people tripping hard for DAYS off two. as far as reducing the nausea with a huasca combo, that makes absolutely no sense to me, since Ayahuasca is basically guaranteed to make you puke.
 
rincewindrocks said:
Well, on one hand, ive seen people take 20+ and not trip at all, and on the other, ive heard of people tripping hard for DAYS off two. as far as reducing the nausea with a huasca combo, that makes absolutely no sense to me, since Ayahuasca is basically guaranteed to make you puke.
Click to expand...

Yeah I'm sure it wasn't Ayahuasca. I'll have to find out exactly what it was utilized with and for what another time.

So far the ROA's I've heard for Datura involve: chewing the seeds, brewing a tea out of the plant material, rolling the plant material into a joint and smoking and simply chewing the flowers, but is there a way that is more effective from those?

Anybody on bluelight have any prior experience? Or I'm guessing the lot of you are wise enough to avoid this, haha.
 
I've been messing around lately with low doses of datura stramonium seeds before bed to test how well the claimed dream enhancement effects treat me. I've taken up to 5 so far without any hint of delirium, confusion, or the like. It does create a certain type of low level stimulation as well as being sedative at the same time. It's a nice, relaxing feeling with a little bit of a chest glow and mood lift as you become tired within an hour or so.

I think I read some of the safe posts over at dmt-nexus. I was interested in trying it soon with some hbwr, but right now I am still making sure I know how I am going to react to just the datura seeds. The last thing I want is to end up naked and bloody, on the roof with the vacuum and a aluminum foil beanie on my head, get arrested after fighting off a rabid pack of dark blue reptoids, then having sex with paris hilton in the back of the cop car only to have her eyes fall out and turn into snakes that bite my dick, fill me with poison until I passed out never to remember anything except watching dr. phil waiting for the seeds to kick in as I woke up in the psych ward.

so far so good, none of the above has happened! I think if you going to work with datura, it is most wise to take it slow and climb in small measured amounts.
 
CatfishRivers said:
I think if you going to work with datura, it is most wise to take it slow and climb in small measured amounts.
Click to expand...

That's a definite given, ESPECIALLY with Datura. Did you use stramonium or ferox seeds? How did it effect your dreams, if at all?

Assuming that getting arrested would be a hallucination too, I wouldn't mind going through that one bit xD
 
The seeds I am working with are d. stramonium. So far I have noticed a tad increase in dream recall, but nothing too exciting. I smoke too much herb tho to have a clear hold on my dreams most of the time though.

I do very much appreciate the feeling it gives me before I get drowsy and fall asleep. Ambien gave me a similar feeling before falling asleep, a sort of everything is cool don 't worry kind of calm, and then sleep. It's funny how people get entranced by ambien too and do all that sleep driving craziness. The mindsets seem like they might be a bit similar in higher doses...anyhow, I digress...
 
You can probably extract it but I doubt it will be any near as pure as say DMT from mimosa rootbark. I don't know if there are compounds in datura besides tropane alkaloids to worry about, probably its those themselves one has to worry about so the impurity shouldn't matter.

Actually though, preparing a concoction that is mixed and blended to homogeneity or better yet storage-wise making an extraction is I guess a way to solve the problem of russian alkaloid content roulette.
The same goes for most natural substances, but some more than others. With shrooms you have the same problem, but grinding into mixed shroomdust and possibly even extracting that gives you a product of reliable potency . Not taking degradation into account, but lowered potency 'rarely' harmed anyone.

Homogeneity makes for a standardized product, every mg or ml containing the same quantity of alkaloids.
Blending to shit is a necessity though. And mixing powders with different grain sizes or other differing properties can be hard to mix homogeneously without professional equipment.

Then the only difference with a pure synthetic product is the impurities, but in this case there is no need to worry, at least not more than by just eating plant parts straight up.

One would titrate, or start dosing so low that it could logically be below danger thresholds even if it is crazy low dosage. Then, you probably feel little or nothing at all and some time later, like at least a couple days to a week to be sure you increase the dose.
If you know Shulgins methods this should not come as new information.

My advice is with harm reduction in mind: I'd rather have people approach this as responsible as possible if they must approach it at all. But deliriants I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
Do not believe this method makes the drug itself any safer, underestimation or false confidence are dangerous as enough disastrous trip reports will tell you.
But at least its better than gambling with the dose.
 
Let me warn you of something.
I haven't cried in over 12 years [yes, as in cry, tear drops, etc] EXCEPT when I just THINK of the things I saw when I used datura seeds.
 
I tried Datura seeds before; the seeds came from a plant we find in northern California, took the seeds from the pod that grows from the plant; I don’t know what the name of the Datura plant was. This was my experience many years ago.

I ate a hand full of seeds, couldn’t tell you exactly how many there where, they where small black seeds from what I remember.


Those seeds where the nastiest better tasting things I ever ate. When I noticed the first effects it was about 1 to 2 hours after I ate them. What I felt during the first stage was heaviness I felt like gravity was puling me down like I was caring my car on my back, so I had to lay down. It got to a point where I could not lift my finger or arm up from the bed. Then all of a sudden I felt normal except for the dry mouth.

This lasted about an hour, I remember being very afraid. I had the worst dry mouth you could possibly have; water did not quench my thrust my eyes where dry too this lasted most of my experience I won’t call it a trip it was an experience. It lasted about 24 hours before the visions faded away and another 3 day before I could read book size text again.

Here’s a brief explanation of what Datura delusions where like for me and a few friends I knew that took them that year. The delusions where very similar from what stories
We shared amongst us.

After all the negative effects wore off except the dry mouth I felt normal but stoned some how. I heard a knock at the door so I answered the door it was a friend of mine he said want to get stoned? Sure I said so he lit up a joint we talked for a while and puffed on the joint. I really felt the pot. Well as we where talking I heard a sound that distracted me away from my friend. I turned around to see what it was. It was a table of food, at that point I forgot my friend was there and went over to the food to eat. I could taste the food even though it was not really there but I really believed it was real.

Then I remembered my friend so I turned around and discovered he was not there any longer. Then I turned back to the food and it was gone too. It was then that I think I realized I was seeing things at the same time I remembered I took Datura.

I remember also falling onto the floor but forgot I was on the floor. So trying to stand up on the wall from the floor keep me very occupied for some time before I realized I just needed to stand up from the floor.

This went on all night you just don’t know you’re tripping until something distracts you away from your delusion then you realize it wasn’t real at all.

Well as always I got up and got ready for school walked to the bus stop where my friends where too. I did not know I was still tripping but they did luckily they took care of me the rest of the day until it wore off.

The bus ride to school was weird I remember when the bus door opened a few birds flew into the bus I was sitting in the back where my friends took me. All of a sudden everyone on the bus opened up umbrellas.

This is all because I could go on and on.

Luckily I did not do anything stupid and had friend to take care of me the next day. It could have been worse like getting caught and taken to the loony ben like one of my friends did under the influence of Datura.

I’m glad it went well for me and I think every one should try it once in there life’s except if you are going to try this drug you MUST HAVE A BABY SITTER!!!!
Especially with Datura Otherwise you’re playing with fire this drug can lead to a very unpleasant end.
 
Datura is an oddly alluring plant. When I meet a new one in my neighborhood i sometimes feel compelled to say hello by eating a petal or something.

I would not suggest it if you believe you caused some liver damage with diphenhydramine, since datura can cause similar problems. If you have to try it, I suggest start at like 2 seeds, and every few days try again, adding to the dose until you reach desired effects. I have heard some users say that seed pods are best in the fall when they are getting dry, i have no idea if this is true. I found around 4 to 8 had slight effects on sleep and dreaming, but it was not to pleasant and I never really got beyond that~
 
Datura is dangerous, please don't do it. There are so many amazing psychedelics that aren't as dangerous as Datura is.
 
That's interesting catfish, I was just reading up on the same topic. Great minds, right? I have 5 big stramonium plants growing now, so I will have a lot of seed to work with.

Can I put the foliage in my compost heap or is that a dangerous idea?

some guy on another forum said:
Yes, but remember I’m talking specifically about the seeds. Alkaloid content is not the same in the rest of the plant.

Datura stramonium seeds contain up to 0.7% tropane alkaloids with 80% being hyoscyamine which is a stimulant at low doses. Datura inoxia seeds contain up to 0.4% tropane alkaloids with 97% being scopolamine which is a sedative at low doses.

They have very different effects. You can tell them apart blind folded for sure with ease
Click to expand...

The guy that posted this really seems to know his stuff.
 
skunkjar said:
Can I put the foliage in my compost heap or is that a dangerous idea?
Click to expand...

It's supposedly toxic to small animals/children. I dunno if you have any pets that end up in your compost. Even if it doesn't kill them, just imagine your pet cat in datura land. It'd probably act scarier than the cat in Pet Cemetery.

I save all the leaves from my plants and dry them out for the future for a time when I might possibly have the right conditions in my life to venture forth with more than just the seed work I am messing with right now. I figure I've been raising this plant for 2 years now, we gotta have some sort of connection. In the winter it sits right next to my bed on a desk. It's got some seed pods on it right now actually, and several flowers. Neat plant, but be careful is the mantra with this one...
 
If you want to take anticholinergic syndrome to the next level, dry doxylamine. I'm not just playing favorites here - dox is way better than 'dryl or dram. Satisfying enough that you might not even want to bother with "unpredictable, possibly fatal" datura.
 
Other than smoking a couple of hits to assuage the nausea that comes from lazy tricho cacti preparation, I see no use for this plant.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top