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QUESTION ON H AND METHADONE Dosage question

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4evrLkn

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I am currently on 20 mg's of methadone a day, and have been for about a year now. I don't use any other drugs anymore except occasionally some mdma, or coke every once in a great while.
My question is that I have never done herion, but used to have a pretty big oxy habit before I started on methadone. I want to try herion at least once, but want to stay on methadone as well. So being as how I'm on methadone and I would want to probably snort H. What kind is best to snort, and how much would I have to do considering I'm on 20mg's of methadone daily? Would the H give me a good buzz?
Thanks for the help!
 
The wisest thing to do would be to not use heroin. It's so easy to tell yourself you're only going to do it once or twice and then you get into a pattern of using frequently, which then raises your tolerance and makes it so your methadone dose is no longer enough. You may want to think about the reasons you are on methadone in the first place.

So, I absolutely do not recommend you do any heroin, but if you're intent on doing it anyway:

It's impossible to tell you a dose that would be safe yet would get you sufficiently high, because street heroin is of unknown purity plus everyone is different. All you can do is start with a very small amount, and if that wasn't enough do some more.

You are going to have a tolerance of course, and it isn't going to affect you as much as if you weren't on methadone, but being on 20mg of methadone/day isn't going to block it completely.

What do you mean what kind is best to snort? Do you have multiple kinds of heroin available to you? Powder heroin hydrochloride would be best for snorting.
 
Thanks for reply. I have a few different available to me, such as brown #3, or 4, or bth which I know would probably be only good for smoking/iv'ng which I definitely don't plan on IV'ng possibly smoking? Or maybe just regular china white H? Which is more expensive, but might be worth it? Would smoking or snorting you think give better effects?
I know HR would be NOT to do H, but I have wanted to do this for a while, and plan on only doing this for a day or two, then continuing on my methadone. Just looking to get a good buzz for a couple days on the holidays.
Thanks again, any advice on which kind, and ROA that would be best.
 
I personally hate the number system as it is used incorrectly and isn't really suitable to modern times, but what people normally mean when they say #3 is base heroin (even though that's technically wrong if you go by the original number system, people usually call base heroin #3 now), and #4 is heroin hydrochloride. I don't know what you mean by "regular China White", that slang is used to describe both heroin hydrochloride and sometimes fentanyl. Do you just mean pure white heroin hydrochloride as opposed to off-white/beige heroin hydrochloride or something?

Anyway:
base heroin - suitable for smoking
heroin hydrochloride - suitable for snorting
tar heroin - suitable for smoking, can perhaps be "waterlined" (dissolved in water and dripped in the nose)
 
Ok I see, I understand sometimes these things can be misconstrued and the 'dealers' don't really have an idea of what it is themselves. So I guess as long as its not a base heroin than its ok to snort? And which one is usually more expensive? The China I'm referring to is supposedly #4 and a good quality H. So it would seem to me that the base would be more potent since it isn't mashed up and reformulated? Maybe I'm wrong? I do find this very interesting, as before about two weeks ago I just thought there was a BTH and regular powder Heroin. And the china white I gues is a white powder heroin suppose to be #4 and really good? So it is 'advertised' as....
 
Price and quality vary hugely depending on where you live, the dealer, etc. I have no idea which type is more expensive or better quality wherever you're planning on getting it from (and we don't allow price discussion anyway). Tar heroin and base heroin can be cut as well, there is no guarantee they're more potent or anything (tar heroin also contains impurities from the manufacturing process). I'd just ask people you know who use dope from these particular suppliers.

Base heroin is very uncommon in North America, but it's widespread in Europe. The main kinds in North America are:

- Powder heroin hydrochloride, which can range in color from white to off-white/slightly yellowish to beige or brownish (the color does not necessarily correlate to the purity or quality). Referred to as #4, can be snorted or injected.

- Tar heroin, (which can range in color and texture), doesn't have a number, can be smoked, waterlined (added to water and dripped in the nose) or injected (is acidic and is damaging to veins).

- Tar heroin that has been cut with a white powder (such as lactose or icing sugar or something) making it a brownish powder. Doesn't have a number, can presumably be smoked, can be snorted or injected (again, is acidic and is damaging to veins). Can be hard to tell from heroin hydrochloride, and dealers don't necessarily tell you (or even know) it's not heroin hydrochloride.

They can all be cut, you really never know what you're getting when buying heroin. Dealers can also rarely be trusted when it comes to what they say about the quality, purity, or whatever.

I still really think you should NOT do heroin though :)
 
Ok I really appreciate the advice! That really clears things for me..:) I plan on getting it later this week, and will not be doing it more than a couple times. I know the advice for not doing is for HR as the point of this website, and has helped me throughout the few years I've used it. I'll be careful with whatever kind I go with. And will continue with my methadone after I indulge for a couple days. Thanks again for your clarification on the few questions I've had.
 
I use heroin and methadone (30 mg TID), and have added heroin in atleast once a week for the past 5 months (usually 2-3 times a week). Honestly I wouldn't touch heroin with a 10 foot pole now that I have a relatively high tolerance and am dependent on opioids. I've used heroin and other potent opioids many a time over the last 9 years, but now that I'm actually physically and mentally addicted to them the thought of trying to depend on heroin as my DOC/daily drug imo is quite a ride, one that I don't want to take. Heroin is fast acting and lasting 6-7 hours for the main effects. You'll feel the ups and downs if that is the only opioid you choose to use. With the methadone I can take it everyday, almost everyday of the week (trying to use heroin alone with out methadone, but doesn't always happen), with the heroin on only a few days a week, with out much problem. I know I have methadone to go to, so I avoid diving down into WDs - instead I go back to methadone. Its nice to enjoy a short acting opioid once in a while like H, but I love having methadone always ready to go because I prefer the long duration even if it's not much of a opioid high anymore.

When on methadone, I feel its easier to avoid potent short acting opioids unlike when just using short acting opioids, so I feel only using h a few times is possible. Best not have junkie friends pushing you to score with them, or you'll end up using H more often than you wished.
 
^Hmm, I don't think that's a good idea, if you use the heroin on top of the methadone you can end up needing both, as your tolerance will go up and the methadone won't be enough anymore. If someone has to go to a methadone clinic/pharmacy for daily witnessed ingestion then this is unavoidable, since they will have to use the heroin on top of the methadone, and unless they are able to use it only rarely they will eventually use it enough to raise their opioid tolerance. Even if that doesn't happen (yet) you can still also have a mental addiction to heroin that methadone doesn't satisfy. I did exactly what you're doing, and eventually I ended up using the heroin every day and being very unhappy without it, and got to a point where my methadone dose was no longer enough to alleviate withdrawals if I did not have heroin. There's also a ton of risks that come with using heroin, not to mention the cost. Come back in 5 more months and see if you still feel the same about being able to use heroin only a few days a week, being fine on the days you don't have it and feeling it doesn't cause you any problems.

Also the OP was talking about just using heroin a couple times period, you are using it a few times a week, so seem to be a case in point that it's not easy to just use it a couple times and then not use it again.
 
Thats why I try to not dose my methadone on days that I'm going to dose heroin. Though even with using heroin on the days I've used methadone I was surprised not to see really any sort of tolerance increase to the methadone, not saying this will be the same for everyone else. You of course gotta feel yourself out and know your limits before you get in deep. Also if your dose of methadone is more in the maintenance range this way of using doesn't work as well or much at all.

I'm actually starting to use heroin even less now that i've been doing it a few times a week for a handfull of months. Got down to one time this week and that is it. I'm starting to get tired of using H and wanna just stick with methadone full time with maybe a short acting opioid randomly once or twice in a month. Who knows what will happen though tbh. My opioid tolerance is pretty much the same as a few months ago, and falling back solely on methadone is no problem.

I also stated "When on methadone, I feel its easier to avoid potent short acting opioids unlike when just using short acting opioids, so I feel only using h a few times is possible. Best not have junkie friends pushing you to score with them, or you'll end up using H more often than you wished." to address OPs particular desire.
 
Yeah I understand you guys points. I guess my whole question is: since I'm on 20mg methadone daily, will I be able to get a good 'opiate' buzz with H that will push through the methadone in my system? I don't IV, would only smoke or snort though. Also which ROA would be best? And I have been on this dosage for at least a year and a half, and have tried short acting opioids which I really don't have the desire to, but really just want to get maybe a half or a whole 'G' and just enjoy for a couple days.
I understand SD's comment on how people always say that then get hooked on another drug, but I feel like I am in a good place and am happy with my methadone dosage and will continue on that. Just looking I guess to make sure I don't waste my money. Thanks guys!
 
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