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Phenethylamines Question concerning 2C-B HBr shelf life.

Phobos33

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Sup guys, dunno if this has already been covered before tho i tried using the search function and didn't seem to find anything about it.

My question is about the shelf life of 2C-B HBr. Recently i've acquired 2 grams of very pure 2C-B HBr salts and 1 gram of Mescaline HCl salts(which then again is very pure). I'm pretty sure those of you who have been around those deeper corners of the web might have an idea from who i got my shit from. For the record, this is all for personal consumption. I'm not really afraid for the Mescaline cause the dosage range of it is far more higher than 2C-B which is mostly in the double mg digits. I might end up selling some here and there but the 2C-B is mostly for personal consumption.

A few days ago, i made a review of both compounds somewhere i think i can't really mention and the vendor reached out to me in private and wanted to reward me for my review. He gave me the choice between 2C-B or Mescaline so i went with the Mescaline and placed an order for 5 more grams of 2C-B because i already had planned on coming back for more anyways and also due to the fact that shipping from him takes quite some time so i figured "hey why not get both at the same time?".

So i had already tried looking up on Google about the shelf life of 2C-B and i mostly found myself to refer myself to a bunch of Reddit threads and the general consensus was that the compound is pretty stable in salt form and that it can pretty much outlast a human lifespan given it is away from direct sunlight and kept in the dark.

For the most part, i already have encapsulated some of it for direct consumption and kept the rest in its original container that i folded and put in a polytethylene bag with a desiccant pack that i vacuum sealed and then put in a glass jar that also has a desiccant pack. Then said jar is kept inside a crumpled cloth grocery bag that is sitting under my bed in the dark.

I asked the vendor about the shelf life of the 2C-B and he told me that if it's being kept away of light, air and stored in a dark place then it might last 3-4 years.

So with that being said, there's alot of contradicting information out there from what i gathered and i'm the kind of person to get my info from as much sources possible so that i can make a better informed decision about whatever it is that i'm looking for.

Sorry to bore you with this wall of text blog post but i figured i'd come here to ask you guys cause i know a whole bunch of people on here are knowledgeable and know a whole fuckton of technical details about chemistry and whatnot that the general people don't know much about(myself included).

Thanks in advance for the info.
 
1 gram 2C-B Hbr lasted 12 years in perfect condition in an airtight jar in a closet. I don’t think any phenethylamine would only last 3 or 4 years so I am unsure as to why a vendor would say that. 30-year-old cactus works perfectly too. It will last.

I don’t think there’s conflicting info on BL. For the most part phenethylamines are stable.
 
You're not wrong about search being a problem. BL search, google, and duckduckgo all proved resistant to producing information that used to be pretty easy to search up.

Paleoethnobotanists have analyzed thousand plus year old dried peyote buttons from archeological sites, finding negligible loss of potency. Offhand, I see no reason structurally why 2C-B HBr would be more vulnerable to degradation. I'm not saying they'll be stable until the heat death of the universe, but it seems to me you'll likely be fine in your own lifetime.
 
1 gram 2C-B Hbr lasted 12 years in perfect condition in an airtight jar in a closet. I don’t think any phenethylamine would only last 3 or 4 years so I am unsure as to why a vendor would say that. 30-year-old cactus works perfectly too. It will last.

I don’t think there’s conflicting info on BL. For the most part phenethylamines are stable.
Thanks tho i wasn't saying that there is any conflicting info on BL, just that with all the info i gathered before coming here i found myself to be confused and wanted some clarification.

I'm not afraid for the Mescaline, i know i will end up going thru it waaaaaaay sooner than the 2C-B. I stocked up on that much cause the vendor in question is known for the purity and quality of his 2C-B and the prices he charges are so low and gets even cheaper the bigger the quantity you buy.

I only had one experience so far because i instantly did Mescaline the day after and i'm waiting for my tolerance to go down to experiment some more with.

I'm pretty new to 2C-B and the only other prior experiences i had with it was with HCl salts and it was a sample of 5 x 20mg capsules i had in exchange of a review. So far i only had one experience with 23mg HBr salts trying to match what i had with the HCl salts and surpisingly the HCl salts seem to have a little edge effect-wise over the HBr for some reasons and i had read about people saying the same thing and i initially didn't believe it knowing damn well that both thing are basically the same fucking thing except one of the salts has had an extra purification process.
 
You're not wrong about search being a problem. BL search, google, and duckduckgo all proved resistant to producing information that used to be pretty easy to search up.

Paleoethnobotanists have analyzed thousand plus year old dried peyote buttons from archeological sites, finding negligible loss of potency. Offhand, I see no reason structurally why 2C-B HBr would be more vulnerable to degradation. I'm not saying they'll be stable until the heat death of the universe, but it seems to me you'll likely be fine in your own lifetime.
Cool man thanks alot for the input!
 
I acquired a quarter ounce of 2C-B HBr maybe a year and a half ago and even with exposure to light and all is seen no noticeable degradation, just being stored air tight.

We would leave piles of it out on a butter dish referred to as the "insufflation tray" by my boyfriend and roommates I was living with at the time. My boyfriend and I alone could kill a gram in six weeks of daily dosing and we'd only pour from the main bag maybe 2-3 times over that period, so we must've been pouring 500-750mg out each time. Even with daily dosing and leaving that out (in a dry, cold winter in Northern New England with heat barely even running indoors, so like zero humidity) it never showed noticeable degradation.

Phenethylamines tend to be incredibly tough molecules compared to lysergamides and tryptamines, a third pound of mushrooms became everclear tincture once and I didn't know it would expire in six weeks. Broke my fucking heart.
 
I acquired a quarter ounce of 2C-B HBr maybe a year and a half ago and even with exposure to light and all is seen no noticeable degradation, just being stored air tight.

We would leave piles of it out on a butter dish referred to as the "insufflation tray" by my boyfriend and roommates I was living with at the time. My boyfriend and I alone could kill a gram in six weeks of daily dosing and we'd only pour from the main bag maybe 2-3 times over that period, so we must've been pouring 500-750mg out each time. Even with daily dosing and leaving that out (in a dry, cold winter in Northern New England with heat barely even running indoors, so like zero humidity) it never showed noticeable degradation.

Phenethylamines tend to be incredibly tough molecules compared to lysergamides and tryptamines, a third pound of mushrooms became everclear tincture once and I didn't know it would expire in six weeks. Broke my fucking heart.
Damn dude, you sure do love 2C-B! Thanks alot for the info.
 
Damn dude, you sure do love 2C-B! Thanks alot for the info.
It's definitely one of my favorite drugs, and I've gained quite a bit from it over time. Recently I've just been microdosing it daily between 3-8mg via tincture and it's been the most impactful antidepressant I've ever used in my entire life.
 
It's definitely one of my favorite drugs, and I've gained quite a bit from it over time. Recently I've just been microdosing it daily between 3-8mg via tincture and it's been the most impactful antidepressant I've ever used in my entire life.
I've never even heard of people microdosing this compound. Even with 23mg of the HBr salts i recently got, i find the effects to be a bit tame to my liking. I was planning on encapsulating 10mg doses to combine with the 23mg i already have so that i can get a better feel of this batch.

For some reasons 20mg of HCl salts gives me way more mental headspace than 23mg of HBr. I find it really odd because before even placing an order with the HBr salt vendor, i did my homework and everyone seems to report the same thing.
 
I've never even heard of people microdosing this compound. Even with 23mg of the HBr salts i recently got, i find the effects to be a bit tame to my liking. I was planning on encapsulating 10mg doses to combine with the 23mg i already have so that i can get a better feel of this batch.

For some reasons 20mg of HCl salts gives me way more mental headspace than 23mg of HBr. I find it really odd because before even placing an order with the HBr salt vendor, i did my homework and everyone seems to report the same thing.
I had really good results using DMT daily but I'm trying to smoke/vape less and doing pharmahuasca daily is a little brutal. Even sniffing DPT daily would be a pain in my ass. Allylescaline doesn't show any noticeable tolerance but the way it raises heart rate in other people (not me for some reason?) makes me a little hesitant to daily dose it.

Imo HBr salts only begin to shine at a point that varies person to person between 30-35mg. Really intense experiences reach closer to 50-65mg depending on the person, and breakthrough level experiences that knock you out (3-5mg+ of liquid LSD (blotter seems weaker), 10-14g of mushrooms, or 45mg+ of vaporized DMT equivalent, I'd say) is once you're approaching 75-100mg of 2C-B for some reason. I haven't gone past that yet, haven't felt a need to.

I've dosed towards 75-80mg orally, but insufflated closer to a hundred once and it hit in a dramatically different way, insufflating it felt more like smoking DMT and eating that much 2C-B felt more like taking wicked high doses of pharmahuasca that are like waking breakthrough experiences that kind of feel closer to 150mg of harmaline and 125+mg of DMT, in my personal experience with it. None of my friends can use harmaline due to other drug use so I don't have any other hands on references for how people around me dose it. I ate my eat through a third gram each of DMT and harmaline after that almost compulsively, I finished everything I had on hand. 2C-B has never given me the redosing compulsions that tryptamines and NBOMes/NBOHs do.

One of my best friends has daily dosed 150-250mg of 2C-B, doing just over a gram I think in a total of five days, all back to back in single doses per day. The mania was pretty intense but it wasn't as bad as 75-125mg of 3-MeO-PCP will do to you in a night, in my opinion.
 
I had really good results using DMT daily but I'm trying to smoke/vape less and doing pharmahuasca daily is a little brutal. Even sniffing DPT daily would be a pain in my ass. Allylescaline doesn't show any noticeable tolerance but the way it raises heart rate in other people (not me for some reason?) makes me a little hesitant to daily dose it.

Imo HBr salts only begin to shine at a point that varies person to person between 30-35mg. Really intense experiences reach closer to 50-65mg depending on the person, and breakthrough level experiences that knock you out (3-5mg+ of liquid LSD (blotter seems weaker), 10-14g of mushrooms, or 45mg+ of vaporized DMT equivalent, I'd say) is once you're approaching 75-100mg of 2C-B for some reason. I haven't gone past that yet, haven't felt a need to.

I've dosed towards 75-80mg orally, but insufflated closer to a hundred once and it hit in a dramatically different way, insufflating it felt more like smoking DMT and eating that much 2C-B felt more like taking wicked high doses of pharmahuasca that are like waking breakthrough experiences that kind of feel closer to 150mg of harmaline and 125+mg of DMT, in my personal experience with it. None of my friends can use harmaline due to other drug use so I don't have any other hands on references for how people around me dose it. I ate my eat through a third gram each of DMT and harmaline after that almost compulsively, I finished everything I had on hand. 2C-B has never given me the redosing compulsions that tryptamines and NBOMes/NBOHs do.

One of my best friends has daily dosed 150-250mg of 2C-B, doing just over a gram I think in a total of five days, all back to back in single doses per day. The mania was pretty intense but it wasn't as bad as 75-125mg of 3-MeO-PCP will do to you in a night, in my opinion.
Goddamn, i considered myself to be experienced with psychedelics(done shrooms throughout my 20's with a couple heroic doses at 8g+, stopped counting tabs i dropped at 300 and most i've done was properly dosed 300ug tabs multiple times, did 2C-B 3 times, Mescaline once and DMT once) but next to you i feel like a kid in kindergarten lol.

Yeah i think i'll up the dosage of those capsules i was about to make at 13mg so that i can have the equivalent of a 30mg dose.

I Recently bought a DMT vape pen off of a vendor from my country that seems to be specialized in anything DMT and so far i tried it once and haven't touched ot ever since given that i was planning on testing my 2C-B and Mescaline and wanted to have 0 tolerance interferring with the trips.

I took one deep and long pull of the cart(it says one the box the cart came with that 1-4 pulls equals a medium dose but fuck me it felt intense!) and holy shit man, i wasn't anywhere close to breaking thru but it felt like i was teetering on the edge of it at times. I even had the presence of a polygonal jester-like fairy with hearts(just like from the traditional card game) on her wings and she was brandishing a wand and had a huge grin on her face.

I remember when i came down i couldn't stop saying "dude what the fuck" over and over while laughing my ass off.

I can't wait to experiment with it again but i have so many acid tabs/gels on hand, more 2C-B salts and Mescaline coming that it's so hard for me to not want to trip often on any of these. I feel like they would considerably dampen the experience(especially LSD) due to cross tolerance.
 
it's really no fun when you do too much 2cb - i wouldn't go above 30mg if i were you


and so far, i like the HBr better than the HCl but ive only gotten the HCl once so i'd have to try it from a few outher sources to make that call more official

ive tried to do 2cb the following day after doing it, and it didn't work well at all

i was tempted to do it 12 hours later the other day but i skipped it - too tired - but i'll give that a shot eventually

and i did 2cb the other morning at 4:45am and it was great - i think i like that better than lsd in the early morning hours
 
it's really no fun when you do too much 2cb - i wouldn't go above 30mg if i were you


and so far, i like the HBr better than the HCl but ive only gotten the HCl once so i'd have to try it from a few outher sources to make that call more official

ive tried to do 2cb the following day after doing it, and it didn't work well at all

i was tempted to do it 12 hours later the other day but i skipped it - too tired - but i'll give that a shot eventually

and i did 2cb the other morning at 4:45am and it was great - i think i like that better than lsd in the early morning hours
Well i just finished doing additional dosages to go along with my other caps i already made last week. I did calibrate my scale beforehand, tared the container in which i'd weigh the stuff and when i was done, i tared an empty capsule, weighed a good part of the caps i had made and everything weighed from 16-25mg, i recalibrated the scale and ended up with the same results.

Kinda bummed but it's whatever i'll try doing those caps combined with other ones i weighed last week and let's see what outcome i'll get. 1 capsule alone from what i weighed last week left me wanting to do more and i know that doubling the dosage can bring about up to triple the effects but it's whatever.
 
yea you'll figure out your sweet spot....16 to 25 is a good range

ya know if you boof it, it works in like 15 minutes, you get no nausea and it's more potent

it's the only drug that i can say where that really makes a big difference
 
yea you'll figure out your sweet spot....16 to 25 is a good range

ya know if you boof it, it works in like 15 minutes, you get no nausea and it's more potent

it's the only drug that i can say where that really makes a big difference
16 to 25 are the additional dosages i just weighed not long ago, last week i weighed 23mg capaules but i didn't think of doing what i did today with the empty capsule tared and weighing every single capsules so my caps from last week might range from anywhere to 18-28mg i figure so that's why i planned on doing the capsules from last week combined with those additional dosages i made now.

Edit: I'm not really fond of the idea of stuffing things up my ass even if the bioavailability is better than from an oral RoA.
 
As most people have stated, 2C-B in any salt form should be good for years/lifetimes. That said, I have had a few batches of HBr that when I obtained were a pink color. Over a year or two, it went to brown. I ended up pulverizing, and washing with anhydrous cold acetone, and that stripped 90% of the color out. I suspect the color was due to an impurity in the original synthesis that slowly oxidized. After the wash it never got darker again.

I thought maybe it was the dibromo product, but I feel like that should be pretty stable also.
 
As most people have stated, 2C-B in any salt form should be good for years/lifetimes. That said, I have had a few batches of HBr that when I obtained were a pink color. Over a year or two, it went to brown. I ended up pulverizing, and washing with anhydrous cold acetone, and that stripped 90% of the color out. I suspect the color was due to an impurity in the original synthesis that slowly oxidized. After the wash it never got darker again.

I thought maybe it was the dibromo product, but I feel like that should be pretty stable also.
Oh, i know for a fact that my shit is top notch for multiple reasons.
1. Said vendor is known for providing 2C-B that is considered of "gold standard" by everyone.
2. I've seen pictures of other vendor's HBr salts and the difference is day and night.
3. The salts i have are smooth and not clumpy in any ways AND has a slightly off white color to it. It's really subtle.

The vendor himself claims that his stuff is 100% pure and even tho everyone seems to agree that the HCl salts is purer due to extra purification process it undergoes, i can safely attest to the fact that it is indeed very pure if i compare it with the HCl salt i tried before.

No nausea or unwanted side effects, the only down sides is the headache the day after but even then this is a minor inconvenience.
 
The vendor himself claims that his stuff is 100% pure and even tho everyone seems to agree that the HCl salts is purer
First off, always be skeptical of vendor claims, and even client reviews. The material should speak for itself.

I've much experience with different salts. Most people I've met, prefer the HCL over the HBr. Besides it's increased potency per mg, from what I've gathered, it's more easily digested/metabolized to the point that the overall experience is somewhat different. I love them all. 2C-B is amazing.
 
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