I recently got off suboxone and was roughly 14-15 days clean an craved into my cravings and bought a few bags. It was amazing but roughly 1 day after i used it just bounced my WD's back up to the teary eyed,restless legs and weak feeling again which was for the most part gone. I had gone and bought some kratom to make these go away and since taking kratom those have disappeared. Since I did the H did that just intensify my WD's? I'm confused to how this worked. I thought i was mostly clear to use an not have WD's anymore. Also using kratom will that help with WD's since i used the H an it intensified it? When I quit the kratom will it make my WD's worse or better or just back to about the same level they were as if before i used the H?
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Bupe question about withdrawals
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mareseatoats
Bluelighter
You are going to make your withdrawals even harder to deal with-by also taking kratom. Kratom is doing the same thing to you that the heroin just did after your 15 days clean. Maybe you should stop while you are ahead. The kratom makes you feel better because it is just replacing heroin.
You are going to have to withdrawal off of everything again. 8( Stop now.
You are going to have to withdrawal off of everything again. 8( Stop now.
When you use before your withdrawals are over with you usually reset them and you have to start all over again. Ive been in detox for heroin before then got out a week later but used a few days after getting out and each time it put me right back in the spot I was before detox. Hell ive even been clean for a month, used heroin and been put back in horrible withdrawals just like I never even detoxed. Once your addicted its extremely hard to go back to being a part time user because a "switch" in your brain gets flipped back to addict mode and you become dependant extremely fast. I knew a guy who was clean for 10 years back when I went to AA but then he used dope once just for fun and within a few days he dug himself into the same pit of despair he was in 10 years prior.
Suboxone withdrawal lasts a couple months too so its no surprise this happened to you after using dope only 15 days after your last suboxone.
Suboxone withdrawal lasts a couple months too so its no surprise this happened to you after using dope only 15 days after your last suboxone.
phatass
Bluelighter
^^ Good to know, i'm down to 0.2mg bupe, and can't shake it, so i'm seeing the doc for clonidine and gabapentin, because i have really really bad RLS if i don't dose, got to try all the opiates i really wanted to try anyway except oxymorphone which isn't available here.
I believe in most of our cases, having beeen opiate addicts, however long you are clean, it's close to impossible to go (back) to chipping....
OP: Cold turkey the kratom and get rid of it IMO, if you can get some clonidine, gabapentin, loperamide and eventually a few valium (or other relaxing benzo) you can make it as painless as possible....
Good luck
I believe in most of our cases, having beeen opiate addicts, however long you are clean, it's close to impossible to go (back) to chipping....
OP: Cold turkey the kratom and get rid of it IMO, if you can get some clonidine, gabapentin, loperamide and eventually a few valium (or other relaxing benzo) you can make it as painless as possible....
Good luck
EarthBounded
Bluelighter
I am learning a lot about opiod induced hyperalgesia... you should read up on it. Classic definition of how its so easy to get hooked and why it takes so long for WD symptoms to pass.
You are dead on right about this...This is what I hate about opiate/ Heroin w/d...I can go for a few days, maybe 4-5 days clean, and it gets so intense and rough, the headaches, body pains everywhere, sneezing left and right, absolutely NO motivation to do ANYTHING, you start thinking, well maybe just get a little bag of dope and take a short break from the w/ds, but it usually never works out that way for me, a little bag one day to 'take a break' from w/ds turns into getting a bigger bag 2 days later, then another bag day or 2 later, and on and on!!
I keep thinking I can be one of those people who manage to keep their use under control, but no matter what I try I cannot do this, its either spending everything I have on dope or NOTHING...I wish I knew how these people keep it under control, seems impossible for me to do!
well its been a few days and I'm still yawning an teary eyed every once in awhile(more so in the night time), Also i'm still having that weak feeling in my stomach. I have some naltrexone pills and was wondering if this would kick any last little bits floating around off or would it just intensify them? Also how much longer till these little symptoms go away?
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well since i bumped an got no replys i felt it had been long enough since my last opiate so i took a oral 50mg naltrexone. Since doing so i became violently ill and was puking and shittin an never had stomach cramps this bad in my life, I ended up in the hospital. So hopefully that 1 50mg naltrexone did something to my receptors to reset them because I'm throwing the rest out tomorrow. Fuck that.
update from last night, was throwing up violently an horrible stomach pains that kept me awake all night. my pupils are dilated like I'm on MDMA. Never again will i take naltrexone. Ive gone through heroin withdrawals easier than what it did to me.
mareseatoats
Bluelighter
This is a late response to you-sorry, hope you are still checking in here, and feeling better. The evening you went to the hospital after taking the Naltrexone-did they do anything for you? Just give you fluids and anti-diarrheal meds? Curious to hear first hand what is done in a case such as this.