Admin Attention Question about the sourcing rule

red22

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If an ethnobotanical is sold on Amazon, is it OK to post the link?
 
we'd prefer you didn't. bluelight users span the globe and something can be fine in one geography and problematic in another.

it may seem like a hammer approach but it's easier to manage this issue by forbidding sources pretty militantly.

we're here to help people use safely, not obtain.

thanks for asking.

alasdair
 
So no links seem s the aim, including ethno-botanical, supplement s.
Basically any site selling thing s, excluding harm-reduction related thing s.

Would make thing s simpler for sure, a lot like Kava Kava is illegal in EU.
I d consider it adding to the rules. You can give someone enough info,
that will leed him to the destination. Without naming it.
 
But again what about hints? He said I don't even know where I'd get it, and if I replied to that by saying, I can't tell you exactly where, but they sell it as a stimulant for cock fighting, then he can just google strychnine cock fighting and he'll soon see sources. I don't want to seem like I'm thumbing my nose at the rules, so if in fact leads like that are OK, then OK, but if not then let me know and edit this post.
 
tryptakid's reply in the thread is great.

sorry i was not clearer.

you can discuss the substance, its use, its effects, its pros and cons, its dangers, etc. you can't discuss where to get it. giving hints to where to get it is discussing where to get it.

ty.

alasdair
 
It's only popular in India as a "drug" (perhaps also China and the Middle East); when I typed in two of the Indian folk names for Strychnos nux-vomica, I got lots more sources. Would mentioning the folk names be considered a hint?

But what about censorship? That nux-v is used on roosters as a stimulant is interesting and provides support to a narrative that portrays it as a drug rather than a poison. So while it might be true that more info = more potential search keywords, that's just the nature of a legal high.
 
What about giving someone the CAS #s of substances and telling the person he/she can use them to try to find chemical suppliers.
 
i seem to be struggling to make myself clear here. help me understand why this is so difficult?

you can discuss substances. not where or how to get them.

so "giving someone the CAS #s of substances" is fine.

ask yourself "am i helping somebody to obtain it?" if the answer is yes then don't do it.

"telling the person he/she can use them to try to find chemical suppliers" is helping somebody to obtain.

alasdair
 
Yea man catch the guys drift for gosh sakes no talking about where

oh wait I had a real question --- Sourcing is also not allowed in messages correct? ( I presume it is not unless told directly otherwise ) --- but that seems to be where things get grey
 
Would the below response to this post be OK?

Which magnesium


Colloidal magnesium, monatomic magnesium, and autonomous magnesium, each manufactured by Tec2Future.



I gave Grok some of their literature and this is what it typed up ↓


Colloidal Elements

Description: Colloidal elements are suspensions of microscopic particles of an element (e.g., gold, silver) in a liquid medium, typically double-distilled water or plant-based oil. These are produced using a proton resonance process, which excites the source material to create particles of consistent size and charge. The products are highly pure (99.995% for gold), available in concentrations like 55 ppm (parts per million) in water or 1,000 ppm in oil, and are packaged in blue glass bottles to protect from light. They are described as highly bioavailable, working primarily on the physical body to support overall health and vitality. The production emphasizes ethical standards, alignment with nature, and high energetic quality.

Key Features:

Production: Proton resonance (not electrolysis) ensures stable particle size and charge.

Medium: Double-distilled water or native sunflower oil.

Purpose: Supports physical health and vitality through direct interaction with the body.

Storage: Store at room temperature, away from microwaves, magnetic fields, and light.



Monoatomic Elements

Description: Monoatomic elements are created from colloidal elements through a specialized process, transforming them into a unique state where atoms exist individually, described as being both light and matter. Produced via proton resonance, these elements are high-frequency and focus on the energetic, mental, and spiritual realms rather than the physical body. They are said to enhance energy flow, support emotional cleansing, and promote spiritual development by interacting with the body’s energy field, meridians, and chakras. The products are noted for their transformative potential, requiring users to be energetically prepared to handle their potent effects.

Key Features:

Production: Derived from colloidal elements using proton resonance, creating a monoatomic state.

Medium: Typically in water-based solutions (e.g., 55 ppm for gold).

Purpose: Enhances mental clarity, emotional balance, and spiritual growth by acting on the energetic and formless realms.

Storage: Store at room temperature, away from microwaves, magnetic fields, and light, out of reach of children.



Autonomous Elements

Description: Autonomous elements represent an advanced form of elemental supplements, produced through a proton resonance process that creates a bipolar, dynamically charged structure. Unlike colloidal or monoatomic forms, autonomous elements do not require physical ingestion, as they operate via quantum entanglement, interacting directly with the user’s energy field. They aim to balance body, mind, and emotions, promoting inner calm, mental clarity, and emotional stability. The product is described as highly potent, requiring only 1–3 drops per application, and is noted for its ability to adapt to individual needs due to its bipolar nature.

Key Features:

Production: Proton resonance creates a bipolar, neutral structure.

Medium: Pure element in double-distilled water (e.g., 10 ml for gold).

Purpose: Regulates energetic balance, supports emotional stability, and enhances mental clarity on a subtle, energetic level.

Application: Applied via quantum entanglement (e.g., drops on a personal item or biological sample like hair or saliva); not for ingestion.

Storage: Store at room temperature, away from electromagnetic fields and light, out of reach of children.



Comparison and Contrast

AspectColloidal ElementsMonoatomic ElementsAutonomous Elements
StateMicroscopic particles in suspensionIndividual atoms in a light-matter stateBipolar, dynamically charged structure
ProductionProton resonance, consistent particle size/chargeProton resonance, derived from colloidal formProton resonance, bipolar and neutral
Primary FocusPhysical body and vitalityEnergetic, mental, and spiritual realmsEmotional and mental balance via energy field
InteractionDirect physical interactionEnergetic resonance in quantum fieldQuantum entanglement, no physical intake needed
ApplicationExternal use or technical purposesEnergetic application, not ingestedQuantum-based, applied via personal items/sample
PotencyHigh bioavailability, 55–1,000 ppmHigh-frequency, transformative energyHighly potent, 1–3 drops sufficient
MediumWater or oil-basedWater-basedWater-based
User ReadinessNo specific preparation mentionedRequires energetic readiness for high frequenciesAdapts to individual needs, no readiness noted
EffectsSupports physical healthEnhances mental clarity, spiritual growthPromotes emotional stability, mental clarity

Similarities:

• All three are produced using proton resonance, ensuring high purity and energetic quality.

• All emphasize ethical production, alignment with nature, and high energetic standards.

• Storage requirements are identical: room temperature, away from electromagnetic fields and light.

Differences:

State and Mechanism: Colloidal elements are particle-based and act physically; monoatomic elements are atomically unique, focusing on energetic and spiritual effects; autonomous elements are bipolar and work through quantum entanglement without physical contact.

Focus: Colloidal targets the physical body, monoatomic the energetic/spiritual, and autonomous the emotional/mental balance.

Application: Colloidal is for external or technical use, monoatomic works energetically, and autonomous uses quantum entanglement for subtle effects.

Potency and Preparation: Monoatomic elements require user readiness due to their high-frequency nature, while autonomous elements adapt to the user, and colloidal elements have no such prerequisite.



Overview of Proton Resonance

Proton resonance is described as an innovative, electro-physical process used to create colloidal, monoatomic, and autonomous elements. Unlike electrolysis (a common method for producing colloidal solutions), proton resonance is highlighted for its ability to generate particles with consistent size and charge, which is deemed critical for the products’ quality and energetic potency. The process is said to involve exciting the source material (e.g., gold) through its eigenresonanz (natural resonance frequency), allowing precise control over the resulting particles or atomic states. This method is portrayed as aligning with high ethical and energetic standards, infusing the products with a pure, high-vibrational energy that supports their intended effects on the user’s energy field, aura, meridians, or chakras.



Key Claims About Proton Resonance

1. Superior to Electrolysis

• The documents explicitly state that colloidal elements are “produced exclusively by proton resonance and not by electrolysis”. Electrolysis is described as less reliable, producing colloids with inconsistent particle size and charge, which impacts their quality. In contrast, proton resonance ensures “colloids in the desired particle size and the desired charge”, making it a more precise and energetically superior method.

• This precision is emphasized as “incredibly important” for the efficacy of colloidal solutions, suggesting that stable particle characteristics enhance bioavailability and energetic impact.

2. Versatility Across Elements

• Proton resonance is versatile, allowing “very many substances, not just silver or gold, to be brought into a colloidal form”. This flexibility extends to the creation of monoatomic and autonomous elements, where the process transforms colloidal material into higher-frequency states (monatomic) or bipolar, neutral structures (autonomous).

3. Energetic and Consciousness-Driven Process

• The production process is described as requiring a “certain degree of consciousness” and “connection to the heart”. The energy and intention of the manufacturer are said to influence the final product’s vibrational quality, measured in Bovis units (a non-standard metric of life force energy). Proton resonance is portrayed as a method that preserves and enhances this high-vibrational energy, aligning with the current “consciousness shift”.

• The process is said to create products that are “high-vibrating” and “conscious,” distinguishing them from other monoatomic or colloidal products that may lack this energetic purity.

4. Application to Different Forms

Colloidal Elements: Proton resonance excites the source material to produce microscopic particles suspended in water or oil, ensuring high purity (99.995%) and consistent particle characteristics. This results in highly bioavailable colloids for physical vitality.

Monoatomic Elements: Starting from colloidal elements, proton resonance transforms the material into a monoatomic state, where atoms exist individually, described as both “light and matter”. This state is high-frequency and works on the energetic, mental, and spiritual levels.

Autonomous Elements: The process creates a “bipolar, neutral structure” that is independent of positive or negative charges, allowing the element to adapt to the user’s individual energetic needs. This is achieved through a “multi-stage electro-physical process” that leverages quantum entanglement for non-physical application.

5. Energetic Effects and Quantum Principles

• The documents stress that the effects of these products are energetic, not physical, and are not recognized by conventional scientific standards. They operate on principles like quantum entanglement, where the products interact with the user’s energy field without requiring ingestion. Proton resonance is key to creating products that can function in this “formless” quantum field, influencing aura, meridians, and chakras.

• For autonomous elements, proton resonance enables a dynamic, bipolar structure that regulates the energy field, promoting emotional and mental balance. This is described as a “revolution in energy work,” distinct from the substitutive (nutrient-replacing) effects of conventional supplements.

6. Scientific and Traditional Validation

• While the documents acknowledge that the effects of these products lack conventional scientific proof, they reference quantenverschränkung (quantum entanglement) as a scientifically validated phenomenon.* This is used to support claims about non-physical interactions.

• The texts also draw on “ancient scriptures” and “experience reports” to validate the energetic potential of elements like gold, suggesting proton resonance aligns modern technology with traditional wisdom.



Why the "Hype"?

The emphasis on proton resonance reflects its role as a cornerstone of the products’ identity, differentiating them from other elemental supplements. Here’s why it’s highlighted:

Precision and Quality: The ability to control particle size and charge is presented as a game-changer, ensuring consistent, high-quality products that are more effective than those produced by electrolysis. This precision is said to enhance both physical (for colloids) and energetic (for monoatomic and autonomous) effects.

Energetic Purity: The process is framed as infusing products with high-vibrational energy, aligning with the manufacturer’s philosophy of consciousness, ethics, and harmony with nature. This appeals to users seeking spiritual or energetic benefits.

Versatility and Innovation: Proton resonance is portrayed as a cutting-edge method that enables the creation of diverse forms (colloidal, monoatomic, autonomous) with tailored applications, from physical health to spiritual growth.

Quantum Connection: By linking proton resonance to quantum entanglement, the manufacturer positions the products as advanced tools for energy work, appealing to those interested in alternative or holistic practices.

Differentiation: The repeated emphasis on proton resonance over electrolysis and the focus on “conscious” production sets these products apart in a competitive market, suggesting superior quality and efficacy.



Comparison Across Product Types

The role of proton resonance varies slightly across the three product types, amplifying their distinct purposes:

Colloidal Elements: Proton resonance ensures stable, bioavailable particles for physical health benefits. The focus is on material consistency and purity.

Monoatomic Elements: The process transforms colloidal material into a high-frequency, monoatomic state, emphasizing energetic and spiritual effects. It requires user readiness due to its potent vibrational impact.

Autonomous Elements: Proton resonance creates a bipolar, adaptive structure that works via quantum entanglement, focusing on emotional and mental balance without physical intake. Its dynamic charge is a unique feature.

In all cases, proton resonance is the enabling technology that ensures the products’ energetic potency and alignment with the manufacturer’s holistic philosophy.



Conclusion

Proton resonance is celebrated as a precise, energetically superior method that produces high-quality colloidal, monoatomic, and autonomous elements. It ensures consistent particle characteristics, infuses products with high-vibrational energy, and supports their application in the quantum field, aligning with principles like quantum entanglement. The “hype” stems from its role in creating products that are not only physically pure but also energetically potent, tailored to support physical vitality (colloids), spiritual growth (monoatomics), or emotional balance (autonomous elements). The manufacturer’s focus on consciousness and ethics further elevates proton resonance as a hallmark of their innovative, high-vibrational approach to elemental supplements.

*Trio who proved quantum mechanics is really weird—and useful—honored. Adrian Cho. 2022-10-04. ScienceAdviser.
 
Would the below response to this post be OK?

can you please help me understand which part of "you can discuss substances. not where or how to get them" is unclear?

if the company link is a source, then that's "where or how to get them", right?

everything else seems fine.

alasdair
 
Well, it's just magnesium and their products are allegedly so unique that I would have to reference them to provide the relevant information without modding it in some silly, cryptic manner.
 
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