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Opioids Question about the cleanliness of IV pill injection?

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chefjohn

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Alright, so I know quite a bit about sterile/clean procedures. Wash hands, wear gloves (if possible), tourniquet THEN swipe with alchohol, use a sterile rig, etc., etc.
My question is this: I've bought pills from somebody and god knows where they've been. Does anyone ever wonder about what kinds of bacteria are on the pills that they are injecting? And it should be relatively safe for IV, right? Since you have leukocytes to help destroy any potential infection?
Oh and when IVing a pill, should you inject the substance slowly so you don't explode your veins? Or does it matter?
 
Pills aren't meant to be Iv'ed...If you insist use a Micron Filter. And never use heat, only cold water. Your supposed to take the tornoquit off before you inject so you don't balloon your vein.
 
Make sure that you release the tourniquet before pushing down the plunger. I've never used a tourniquet since I rarely IV and I have visible veins, but the safer way to do it so that you don't blow out your veins is 1) tighten tourniquet, 2) register, 3) release tourniquet, 4) inject.

As for how sanitary the pill is, I have always wondered this myself. You should be able to wipe the outside of the pill with alcohol to help kill germs, and it shouldn't wet the pill to the point of mushing it up if you do it correctly. I'm sure it helps, but I don't know the extent to which it sanatizes the pill.

The best thing to do (other than not IVing pills) is to use a micron filter. Not only do they remove the inactive fillers, but they will filter out bacteria as well. Make sure that you don't heat the pills though, since heating pills will allow some of the fillers to dissolve into the solution and pass through the filter, only to be deposited into your system once it cools down enough to precipitate out of the solution.
 
Pills are not meant to be IV'd. The binders, fillers, and dyes in them will destroy your circulatory system over time. Inject wrong and you could end up with an infection, blocked blood vessel, gangrene, or even an amputation of the limb.

If you must however, use a micron filter, cold or lukewarm water, and stick to pills that are easily injected like Hydromorphone and other "instant release compounds".
 
HaZeX said:
Pills aren't meant to be Iv'ed...If you insist use a Micron Filter. And never use heat, only cold water. Your supposed to take the tornoquit off before you inject so you don't balloon your vein.
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depeneding on hte pill, like 96% or more could be binders and fillers (guess I pulled out my ass). I see (and very well and am wrong as others here have info on pill injection I do not). But it seems to me the risk isn't so much the bacteria on the ouside of the pill as it is the fact that almost all the pil is made up of binders and fillers. Put a 2mg xanax pill on a scale and see what it weights. (not suggesting you IV a xianx pill btw, just using thhis to demonstrate that almost all of a pill is binders and fillers) and since most pills dont easily break down intot pure powder it's gonna be harder to separate the wanted chemical from all the unwanted garbage). I dont' want clumps of shit (even very tiny clumps) up my venis. Seems very risky to me to have floating substances in your veins. How large are cholesterol molecules? When that shit clumps together it clocgs your arteries and eventaly leads to heart attacks in some ppl.

If this post is wildly off and ppl shouldn't be worried about this, my aplogies. I'm going by my general understanding of the huma body and cardiovascular system, I have no detailed medical info on safety of injecting pills. Be safe.
Peace,
Titus
 
Long term use is what really gets you with IV'ing pills, all that filler and shit adds up after hundreds of injections and does start to do damage to your veins and cardiovascular system. That being said, in the short term... you're not going to really experience any problems. Casually injecting pills or going on short benders with them won't kill you, even if you don't use a micron filter, though it is advised obviously. I personally never used one back when I was in a big dilaudid phase and if I ever come across them now, I won't not do them because I don't have a micron filter handy.. but, this being an HR forum, I can't suggest you do that as well. Nobody I know has ever had any psychical problems resulting from IV pills.. even though I know they can happen, I've never personally seen them. If you make shooting pills your standard, where you do it everyday for months-years at a time, well than it's worth considering taking some precautions to prevent damage.
 
chefjohn said:
Alright, so I know quite a bit about sterile/clean procedures. Wash hands, wear gloves (if possible), tourniquet THEN swipe with alchohol, use a sterile rig, etc., etc.
My question is this: I've bought pills from somebody and god knows where they've been. Does anyone ever wonder about what kinds of bacteria are on the pills that they are injecting? And it should be relatively safe for IV, right? Since you have leukocytes to help destroy any potential infection?
Oh and when IVing a pill, should you inject the substance slowly so you don't explode your veins? Or does it matter?
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You should never inject fast, unless its a stim that causes sever vascular constriction (cocaine, meth), and even in that case, you still don't want to just pump it down.

You never know where a pill has been. That is why micron filtering is stressed so much if you're going to do it, as they can filter out bacteria at .2 size.

I caught MRSA from shooting pills and cocaine 6 months ago or so. It could have been the pills, or the needle, but either way you don't want a bacterial infection or an abscess.
 
Have to love the sterile blister packs (that we mostly have in Europe) - compared to taking a plain pill that has been in someone's pocket from an orange prescription bottle. 8)
 
Titus said:
depeneding on hte pill, like 96% or more could be binders and fillers (guess I pulled out my ass).
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That's not that far off, and pills such as suboxone have even more of a filler % than that. Here is the list we have on pill mass and active ingridient percentage.
 
I'm not a fan of IVing anything personally, and I think doing so with pills is far too dangerous for my tastes. I've seen people do it, and to me it seems like such a lengthy and dangerous process. Not to mention almost all the people I know who injected pills have tons of collapsed veins and track marks on their arms, an some on their legs. If you're going to crush up a pill and do all that work you should just parachute it, snort it, or pop it. Either way that seems better than possibly getting sick from a tiny bacteria. Even with micron filters you can just eliminate the possibility. If you're going to inject an opiate, just do H. At least you apply heat to ward off any bacteria on that lol, but I'm definitely not condoning the use of H.

On the otherhand though, if you take all the precautions, the one pill I've heard that's the best for IV is dilaudid. They are generally pretty small, and have very little filler in them (4mg is probably the best example). I'm not making this a suggestion either, but it's probably one of the "safer" options out there.
 
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chefjohn said:
Alright, so I know quite a bit about sterile/clean procedures. Wash hands, wear gloves (if possible), tourniquet THEN swipe with alchohol, use a sterile rig, etc., etc.
My question is this: I've bought pills from somebody and god knows where they've been. Does anyone ever wonder about what kinds of bacteria are on the pills that they are injecting? And it should be relatively safe for IV, right? Since you have leukocytes to help destroy any potential infection?
Oh and when IVing a pill, should you inject the substance slowly so you don't explode your veins? Or does it matter?
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That is why you should absolutely not inject a pill without micron filtering. A .2um micron will filter out most bacteria.

If you are injecting without micron filtering..bacteria is just one of the risks you are taking injecting a pill.

Should the pill be relatively safe for IV? Who knows... was it stored in his ass crack? Only god knows. As to the speed of injection, treat it as if you were injecting any other drug. If you release the tourni b4 injecting (like you should) and don't go insane with pushing the plunger there is no risk of blowing a vein.

It sounds like you are a beginner at IVing. You should check out the IV complications thread and the micron filtering thread. The worst thing you can do is miss a shot of a non-micron filtered pill. Guaranteed abscedss. And if you get the wrong bacteria into your bloodstream you've got a serious prob on your hands
 
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