Question about smushing Adderall XR beads

[its_a_chicken]

I've been reading a few threads here that say it's possible to smash the beads in an Adderall XR to defeat the time-release mechanism and basically turn it into an IR. I just a script for 20mg XRs which don't do much for me. I used to take dexedrine IR four times a day, because I metabolize my meds so fast.

I was reading here that the way XRs work is that if you had a 30mg XR, it drops 15mg IR and approximately 4 hours later the other 15mg dissolves and becomes active.

My question is: Aren't XRs supposed to be the equivalent of taking two doses of the same mg of IR? i.e.: my 20mg XRs are supposed to be the same as taking two 20mg IR doses, at two separate times of day. How is that possible if only 10mg is released, with 10mg later?

Basically, what I'm wondering is, if I take one of my XRs in the morning and crush up some beads as a makeshift IR supplement for the afternoon, would taking half the resulting powder from one capsule be like taking a 10mg IR, or 20mg?

Sorry for the new thread, I know there are a ton of threads about smashing XR beads up, but I'm not really trying to catch an Addy high, just trying to make do with inadequate meds until I can get the issue sorted out. Most of the other questions were about how to make it most potent, rather than dosage equivalencies.

 

[thesameoldfears]

A 20mg adderall xr contains just that - 20mg. From what I understand it should have about 10mg worth of beads that are instant release, and 10mg that will release in a few hours. I have heard people claiming that a 20mg xr is actually like 40mg ir or a 30mg xr is like 60mg ir but I don't believe that is true.

So to answer your question, if you crush up half a capsule it will be 10mg.

But: if you feel your medicine is not providing the desired effects, talk to your doctor about it. He may switch you to a split dose or even to a different medicine like vyvanse which has a longer half life.

 

[its_a_chicken]

Thanks for the answer. I had a feeling that was the case, but I guess I was just wishfully hoping it was the other way.

As for my doc, I'm actually going to switch providers. The one I'm seeing now is just too adverse to prescribing stimulants. He second-guessed my diagnosis and never even asked for records of diagnosis or treatment. He also does not prescribe IR meds at all, which I have a bit of an issue with. There are lots of people that need a dose of IR at the tail end of an extended released med, I guess those patients of his are just SOL.

I've already been on Vyvanse, and aside from the absurd cost, it stopped being effective. Also tweaked my emotions a lot and had horrible withdrawal. I've been on Vyvanse, Concerta, Adderall IR, Dexedrine IR, and all the long-acting meds just fizzle around 5-6 hours and leave me with the prolonged comedown. I do much, much better with an IR. The drop is more exaggerated, but is much shorter. Plus, I prefer having the control the IR tabs allow with regard to taking partial doses, or having the option of taking an extra one if I need to be functional late into the evening.

I have a moderate history of self-medicating with alcohol and substances, which is the rationale he's using to try to deny my proper medication. The thing is, it's been about 5 or 6 years since I had real substance abuse issues, and about 2-3 since I was a heavy drinker. I don't even smoke anymore. I'm a single parent, so had to readjust my priorities. It irks me that I almost feel like I have to beg for a stimulant med at all, and makes me feel like I'm getting treated like an addict. I could have easily just withheld that part of my history.

It's almost a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't thing with this guy. Many people with ADHD show a lower incidence of substance abuse after being properly medicated, even if they had a history before. At this point, if I asked for a higher dose I think he'd act like I was drug seeking and just tell me that he has plenty of patients responding to that dose.

At any rate, a much longer, detailed post than was really necessary. I just felt like venting. I just moved to this state a couple months ago, and haven't met any friends yet to complain to.

 

[hatrix]

You're are correct when you say that 10mg is released when you take it, and the last 10mg is released slowly hours later.

You can crush up the beads to make it close to IR. However, I believe to actually defeat the time release mechanism you would need to use something with a high ph level. Just crushing up the beads won't make it completely IR, but it'll still feel like ~15mg of IR and be much better than taking it as an XR dose. Also, plug it if the ROA doesn't bother you. It's the best way to take it by far, with the highest BA other than IV.

I usually only get XRs when I source them, it's just what a friend of mine has. I crush up 40-60mgs in a ramekin, dissolve it in water and then plug my dose. It hits within 10-15 minutes and is plenty strong compared to IR, just not AS strong.

 

[whitedevil661]

Get a piece of bubblegum, pour beads into gum, chew for 5 minutes or more and swallow. XR mechanism- 0, you - +1

a 20mg XR dose is same as 20mg IR dose despite what your dr tells you, it is the same active ingredient and amounts. the XR gave me the me increased and prolonged comedown anxiety. hope this helps.

btw the link between ADHD and Bipolar is confirmed. the two have a spectrum of behaviors that overlap and it is possible to be both. Bipolar tendency is definitely self-medicating/drug seeking, I know from family experience. DO NOT under any circumstances let your dr put you on an SSRI; I will not go on a rant but google "Seratonin Receptor Downregulation." if you are on an SSRI, ecstacy, mushrooms, and a host of other drugs dont work bc the SSRI alter your brain chemistry sometimes permanently. very strange/bad side effects from this class of WIDELY perscribed drugs to normal people who are just a little down. my $0.02.

 

[hatrix]

Get a piece of bubblegum, pour beads into gum, chew for 5 minutes or more and swallow. XR mechanism- 0, you - +1

a 20mg XR dose is same as 20mg IR dose despite what your dr tells you, it is the same active ingredient and amounts. the XR gave me the me increased and prolonged comedown anxiety. hope this helps.

Terribly inefficient method of crushing the beads, and I'm sure tastes rather disgusting. Avoid this method, poor advice.

And no a 20mg XR dose is not the same as a 20mg XR dose. There are added ingredients to make part of your dose extended release. Extended release is not instant release. You don't completely defeat the time release mechanism by just crushing the beads either. So again, you're wrong.

Also, avoiding using an SSRI purely because you are an active recreational drug user who wants to take things like MDMA is a poor excuse to not take your medication.

 

[pasha]

Terribly inefficient method of crushing the beads, and I'm sure tastes rather disgusting. Avoid this method, poor advice.

^This! Bubblegum is also very poorly metabolized.

 

[hatrix]

^This! Bubblegum is also very poorly metabolized.

Haha another factor I didn't even think off. I bet that would almost render the Adderall useless, as it would take forever to eat through the gum.

 

[laCster]

Get a shot glass or any regular drinking glass. Get something that has a flat head like a nail head, the butt of a drum stick, the bottom of a lighter, ect...

Apply pressure to the beads like a mortal and pestle, twist the flat bottom to crush the beads. Keep mashing until mostly all the beads are crushed. It is impossible to crush them all....once the beads are mostly crushed, add some water and stir the powder/beads until most of the powder dissolves. Stir a little bit, and take the adderall water like an alcoholic shot of liquor while the water issstill spinning so most of the liquid and beads get into your mouth, and swallow

 

[hatrix]

Get a shot glass or any regular drinking glass. Get something that has a flat head like a nail head, the butt of a drum stick, the bottom of a lighter, ect...

Apply pressure to the beads like a mortal and pestle, twist the flat bottom to crush the beads. Keep mashing until mostly all the beads are crushed. It is impossible to crush them all....once the beads are mostly crushed, add some water and stir the powder/beads until most of the powder dissolves. Stir a little bit, and take the adderall water like an alcoholic shot of liquor while the water issstill spinning so most of the liquid and beads get into your mouth, and swallow

Screw taking it orally, plug that shit.

 

[bronson]

^ I'd personally think not. The OP already seems to be having issues with too short a duration of action and isn't looking to get high, just make said medication effective enough to treat legitimate symptoms. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but rectal administration usually involves a fast onset, but decreased duration of action over taken orally.

 

[laCster]

Yah I agree with Bronson, not everyone has a fetish for sticking stuff up their butt like you do hatrix

 

[shimazu]

Get a shot glass or any regular drinking glass. Get something that has a flat head like a nail head, the butt of a drum stick, the bottom of a lighter, ect...

Apply pressure to the beads like a mortal and pestle, twist the flat bottom to crush the beads. Keep mashing until mostly all the beads are crushed. It is impossible to crush them all....once the beads are mostly crushed, add some water and stir the powder/beads until most of the powder dissolves. Stir a little bit, and take the adderall water like an alcoholic shot of liquor while the water issstill spinning so most of the liquid and beads get into your mouth, and swallow

yes this is how I would do it as well. Hell, a lot of drugs you can save a lot of time and effort by just doing this instead of trying to get that extra BA out and barely even be able to tell the difference anyway.

 

[hatrix]

Yah I agree with Bronson, not everyone has a fetish for sticking stuff up their butt like you do hatrix

Ouch. I don't have any fetish. Plugging offers a faster onset, higher BA, and usually the duration is almost as long as orally. It's a longer duration than insufflated.

Dick

 

[dirzted]

Everybody just be happy :D
Anyway, what if one were to use something more acidic in the shot glass method?
Would that work any better or would it just make the mixture taste funny?

 

[hatrix]

Everybody just be happy :D
Anyway, what if one were to use something more acidic in the shot glass method?
Would that work any better or would it just make the mixture taste funny?

I believe the beads would have to sit in an acid solution for hours and hours for it to make any difference. Eventually it defeats the time release mechanism, from what I've read. How long specifically it would need to sit, I'm not positive.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

What about just telling your doctor that the Adderall XR isn't working well for you??

 

[hatrix]

What about just telling your doctor that the Adderall XR isn't working well for you??

Reread the thread swimmingdancer, the OP states in his second post that his doctor doesn't prescribe IR meds to any of his patients

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Reread the thread swimmingdancer, the OP states in his second post that his doctor doesn't prescribe IR meds to any of his patients

Oh yeah, I did read that yesterday and just forgot, sorry. I say get a new doctor, this one doesn't sound very good if he doesn't treat people as individuals, didn't look at past medical records, etc.

 

[Lightning-Nl]

Get a shot glass or any regular drinking glass. Get something that has a flat head like a nail head, the butt of a drum stick, the bottom of a lighter, ect...

Apply pressure to the beads like a mortal and pestle, twist the flat bottom to crush the beads. Keep mashing until mostly all the beads are crushed. It is impossible to crush them all....once the beads are mostly crushed, add some water and stir the powder/beads until most of the powder dissolves. Stir a little bit, and take the adderall water like an alcoholic shot of liquor while the water issstill spinning so most of the liquid and beads get into your mouth, and swallow

Are you guys kidding me!?!

I've tasted a lot of horrible - nasty tasting things in my days of drinking denatured alcohol, but the taste of crushed up Adderall......it's probably the worst thing I've ever tasted. I believe the reason why is because on top of the dissolved pill taste - Amphetamines for some reason have a slightly sweet taste to it, but it's not a good sweet. It tastes like someone crushed up an aspirin and added a pinch of some gross, synthetic sugar like splenda.

I don't know why I'm so sensitive to that taste; All I know is that every time I taste that, I gag.