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Question about redosing mdma, and a side question ahout 2-cb

Troco72

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So I see alot of varying answers to the redosing question. So I'm gonna be specific. I'm looking for harm reduction advice NOT advice for getting fucked up :p

I plan on taking like a .18 total. (First time dosing orally I usually do lines but I just bought capsules) idk if that dose is smart. But I'm positive I won't have a bad time if I'm too high. Unless I'm literally overdosing like pain puking and etc etc. I'm just too experienced with playing around with super high doses of tryptamines.
So a .18 typically isn't overdose amounts right? My body weight is somewhere around 145-165 lbs and I'm male.

So I plan on taking an oral big dose, and then a redose snorted. My theory is that it'll make the redose more powerful. And rather than the redose extending the high, it'll actually amplify it. Is this fucking stupid? LOL please tell me if so. I'll just do the smaller booster orally if you think I'm being a dumbass.

How long after the initial dose should I redose?

And lastly how much should each dose be? Like I imagine the second dose should be smaller right? What do yall think?

Side question: does the 1-3 month (minimum usually) harm reduction rule apply to 2-cb as well? I heard things like the tolerance build up of it is minimal so I'm curious if that's the case. I don't have any now, but I've been trying to get my hands on some.
 
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Imo snorting MDMA does nothing that oral does better. The same goes for 2c-B.
Well doesn't it make it more powerful but last less long? Or is that a misconception or something?

Also any idea how long after my first dose I should redose harm reduction wise?
 
If you're talking about snorting 2c-b just don't. It's about 2-3 times more potent but it fucking HURTS. Like hellish pain hurts. And when I say it kicks in instantly I mean it. I recoiled once in horror from snorting 2c-b and as I opened my eyes fractals were forming on the floor.

IMO 2c-b is likely not neurotoxic and seems relatively physically safe in the way that the majority of psychedelics are. I took it a lot after caining MDMA for too many years, and I had the best years of my life clubbing with none of the brain fog/comedowns/etc that MDMA brings.
 
If you're talking about snorting 2c-b just don't. It's about 2-3 times more potent but it fucking HURTS. Like hellish pain hurts. And when I say it kicks in instantly I mean it. I recoiled once in horror from snorting 2c-b and as I opened my eyes fractals were forming on the floor.

IMO 2c-b is likely not neurotoxic and seems relatively physically safe in the way that the majority of psychedelics are. I took it a lot after caining MDMA for too many years, and I had the best years of my life clubbing with none of the brain fog/comedowns/etc that MDMA brings.
Alright thanks I appreciate the insight! Any thoughts about the dose and redosing?
 
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, I wasn't sure in the original post. Could you clarify please? x

Anyway I'll try my best.

Some friends take 2c-b once the first dose has worn off and say it's just like taking a second dose, rather than stacking the peaks. It all depends how closely you stack the peaks I'd say. Same with mixing 2c-b with MDMA. It can be very messy and intense (in a good way) to combine the two but the main key is - again - to not stack the peaks. Take them too close together and it's very visual and theres a lot of thoughts going through your head. I've been stood at a psy trance stage and totally overwhelmed (but comfortably so) to the point I was just standing there taking it all in, and it was incredible.

I've also taken 2c-b and MDMA seperated out so the peaks weren't stacked and I felt realy hedonistic and confident to the point I was able to competently and seemlessly mix a set on some decks, also incredible. Different ways of flipping drugs are valid for different wants and scenarios and this is the basic methodology behind it. 2c-b lasts maybe 2-4 hours.

I took my usual dose of both, many times - always 22mg of 2c-b HCL and always 135mg of MDMA, whether alone or combined. If you take less you just probably won't feel it - they don't synergise in terms of dose as such, just the effects. I.e if you too little MDMA, you won't come up and the 2c-b won't make you come up, and vice versa pretty much. But, if you take an adequate dose of each and think logically about the timing, then you should get it right.

If I redosed 2c-b on the second day at a festival I would always make the cap about 2mg stronger as there seemed to be a slight tolerance otherwise - but it resets within a week for sure. As I gradually built tolerance over time, like weeks and months of onece a week use, I used to have to up my dose, again, by about 2mg. The highest my tolerance got was 30mg, it was quite slow.

I'm not sure if I've answered you there, let me know if not, and enjoy!

Oh and again, snorting 2c-b will make you uncomrtable, in pain and likely sick. It's literally the worst thing I've put up my nose. I personally love snorting MDMA but the effects are different to dosing orally. Orally is more effective, but snorting has a much faster onset and wears off faster (good for a top up if you underdose). Some people hate it but I like the taste.
 
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For those against snorting 2C-B I have a couple of points I'd like to add. First, this ROA increases bio-availability meaning you only need half the dose to achieve the same effects, ie 20mg insufficated=40mg oral. Secondly, many myself included have noticed that snorting mitigates much of the body load that comes with dosing orally. Thirdly, you avoid most of the nausea and don't have to dose on an empty stomach. The duration is only reduced by an hour and that's largely because you're skipping the lengthy come-up period. There's a reason that so many people stand by insufficating this compound despite the pain.

Of course, some might argue that boofing or making a nasal spray would be a better solution but nasal sprays have their own problems and boofing isn't for everybody. Oh, and no the 3 month rule doesn't apply to 2C-B. As long as you're not using it more than once a week you shouldn't have anything to worry about, HPPD is the main thing to look out for.

Back to your first question, I'd skip the MDMA redose and do a nexus flip instead if you manage to get some 2C-B. People generally report that it completely mitigates the MDMA comedown while potentiating both substances. If you do decide to redose MDMA then 50% of your starting dose is generally the way to go. If I remember correctly MDMA has lower bioavailability when insufficated so it's best to stick with oral.

Hope this helps.
Shinji
 
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I suspect that with your high initial dose, the additional dose will be more neurotoxic. The higher the dose, the more potential for toxicity. And separating the doses also increases the potential for toxicity.
 
Alright fair enough. I suppose I'll just go fully oral. Maybe I'll test out the line redose theory in the future but I'll leave that to the future
MDMA snorted is doable but its just not doing the substance any right.

2C-B, and 2C-C are just not pleasant to snort. It works like a charm boosting up a other substance like MDMA or LSD. But the pain is excruciating. Pain in the nose, tear's in your eye's and a burning backdrop. But i'll admit curiosity killed the cat. When i had 2C-C offcourse i snorted some. You'll need a lower dose and accept the physical discomfort's that come along.

Never snorted 2C-B but it sounds about as painful as 2C-C.
 
This is just my personal experience.

Despite the many recommendations to dose MDMA first followed by 2CB, that has never provided me with anything other than a headache (literally). It is not a great combo for me with the MDMA peak first. Contaminants in the MDMA might be an issue, despite the MDMA showing up as MDMA only via harm reduction lab analysis.

My preferred method is to take about 15-20 mg, wait to come up, and then take my normal MDMA dose once I come up on the 2CB (normal is around 135 mg).

I was fortunate to have unrestricted access to 2CB for many years. Yes, you will build a tolerance even if you just do it once a month. I definitely got to a point where the effects were diminished. Be cautious. Although, after not doing it for almost a year it seemed to regain most of the original intensity, so the loss of intensity can be re-set somewhat if you abstain from using it for awhile. If I had it to do over again, I would try to follow a 3 month rule with 2CB to preserve the effects longer.
 
Keep it simple.

MDMA: If you're doing to re-dose do it at about the 1 hour and 30 minute mark or so. Realize you'll only extend the peak and won't make it any stronger. I typically start with 120mg as my first dose and do 50-60mg as a boost an hour and a half-two hours later. Do not just blindly take these doses. Use the calculator to figure out your own based on your body weight.

Snorting MDMA: You're trading a stronger rush for a very reduced duration. I've found it isn't really worth it and changes the effects of MDMA in a way I don't like (it becomes more speedy). Reduce your dose. Snorting what you would take orally as a first dose is a really bad idea IME. I consider it mostly a waste of material because I don't like the speedy effects or the stronger rush (the rush orally is strong enough).

Snorting 2c-b: I haven't done this one but IME with the other 2C's snorting requires less material and hurts like hell. The 2C chemicals aren't the most painful thing I've put up my nose but they're close. If it's your first time with this chemical I suggest taking it orally. Otherwise, if you're dead set on snorting expect to be dealing with a strong come-up while you're still in pain. By the time your nose stops feeling like a hot coal is in it you'll be rocketing towards the peak.
 
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