Stimulants Question about Parents and Perscriptions

[snazzy_sn]

Guy asked a question, it might have been poorly worded and naive but you guys attacked, he defended, and you guys are still attacking.
I started posting here when I was sixteen and my shit was stupid but I've received much advice over the years that has saved my life and recently helped me be more responsible in my use.
Isn't deterring people from this resource by harsh judgement kind of defeating the purpose?

Some people need a swift kick in the ass, but not most...

I dunno, whatever.

 

[xxxyyy]

i didn't bother to read anything but the OP post so here are my two cents;
you're of age, an adult by law and you have been prescribed a medication. i know sweet fuck all about american law but common sense tells me that your parents have absolutely no right to withhold it. personally i would go completely apeshit, but then again, i have a strong dislike toward my parents.

 

[snazzy_sn]

Thanks!

I had figured it would have little impact, I just love to dissect fallacies of reasoning that the speaker is too blind to catch himself.

Oh look, there I go again, telling the OP how to live his life 8)

God I wish I had razor sharp wit and could utilize sarcasm and words like fallacy to belittle common folk and affirm my intellectual superiority amongst my peers.

That shit would go hard. Too bad I do too many drugs and therefore am incapable of using proper sentence structure. That's the real reason needles are dangerous btw incase anyone was wondering LAWL

 

[tricomb]

40mg of daily Adderall is more than enough, no matter how bad your ADD is. Instead, be grateful that you should be so lucky to have that opportunity, and not to not be homeless with no parents around to look after you and fund your existence as an 18 year old adult.

@EM, LMAO 40mg Adderall is more than enough, although I totally agree with you it's funny considering what you and me both are prescribed, in comparison to the amount we actually take (I think we just might be the only people who take less than their prescribed stimulants hehe). And I totally agree with the last sentence there, shit most people's parents would not put up with caring for a legal adult as they would a child, they must really love you OP.

Adderall is fun though: let's be real :D

You could not be more wrong, I love your enthusiasm but lets be real

Actually you didn't. I was refering to the other users that don't even touch base on the question I asked and give me some sort of a lecture on how they know what's best for me and how I should live. You actually attempted to give some sort of input without bitching about how I'm obviously stupid and have no right to make my own choices like a few of the people here. Thank you for that and I'm sorry if you thought I was referring to you.

I'm just a little sick of people on a fucking drug forum taking something that I never even asked them and giving me a lecture on how they know more than I do and I should live the way they tell me to rather than thinking with my own god damn brain and choosing for myself. It is not your place and it is honestly very ignorant to think you know better than someone else and should tell them how to live and what choices to make. I'm sorry but I was given a brain for a reason and I am going to use it. If you want to conform yours into a copy of the rest of modern day society's brains, then go ahead, but don't expect me to join you.

Hey there OP, most of your post does not make sense logically, although I do see where your coming from, we were all young once.
In terms of legal right to your own prescriptions, yes, you have them. But you live with your parents bro, ultimately it's their house, their rules. If they think you are untrustworthy with your own prescriptions, not to mention something as shitty as Adderall then chances are they've noticed a pattern in your drug abuse that you either refuse to see or cannot see altogether yet.

I would not take any steps to try and exercise your legal right to your prescriptions with the police because your parents most likely have a damned good reason for withholding them from you, and if you bring the police to their own fucking house, well, I would flat out tell the police that my son cannot control his intake and that would end that. Bringing the police to your parents home, I just have to say, is an extremely low and pathetic thing to do so don't even try, I guarantee you'll bring more shame to yourself in the process. You may be a young teenager but it would be wise to listen to the advice given to you on this forum, especially C2TL's and EM. I think you'll find if you try to look at this from a logical perspective, that it is sound advice and will get you much further in life getting the things you want.

If your parents have to hold onto your prescriptions for you, and your asking about legal options, my answer would be don't even try to exercise them, the only time you'd have any chance with this is if it was unfair of them to withhold them, like withholding vital pain medication would be a different story, but them attempting to give you no more than your prescribed dose of amphetamines is something they're doing out of love, although this might not seem "fair" to you, it will make sense to you when you're older, hopefully not after you've figured out why through experience.

 

[illusionsl]

Okay you are all right. I am forming an addiction and I'm extremely immature. Unfortunately I have dealt with addictions, I've seen others deal with them, and I am currently working on the toughest addiction yet which is cigarettes believe it or not. I know the difference between recreation and addiction. I also know what early stages of addiction look like, how they feel, and I know for a fact I have none of them. I've never been scared to admit to any addiction I've ever had and in fact purposely bring them out in the open because I hate addictions and want support in the battle. If I never took another Adderall in my life, I would be far from heartbroken. Telling someone on an online forum, who you've only briefly talked to and don't actually know personally, that they have the signs of a forming addiction or already have an addiction is a bit ignorant and sort of extreme. And my so called "bitching" is actually me explaining that I didn't come here to be lectured but rather to have a serious question answered and that is it. My intentions and anything other than the specific question I asked is off the current topic and not what I actually care about. If I truly want to hear what you think I should do or hear you claim that I'm severely immature or even that my whole logic is flawed, I will ask for it. Save the lectures for those who are actually looking for help in those areas and focus on them. Coming onto a thread with a simple and short question about the status of a law and telling me how I am immature, or just telling me what you THINK I should do, instead of actually focusing on the question at hand is honestly immature and to be quite frank is not your place. I am always welcome to those giving their opinion in a passive way that shows some sort of respect. In fact, I will thank you for the input and kindly let you know whether I agree or not but when you present it with a conceded attitude, no one will want to listen to you. The problem is not what you are saying but rather how you are saying it. If you're going to accuse me of immaturity, at least show enough maturity to show respect and an attitude of actually wanting to give input that will be helpful and more likely to be received as such. A conceded attitude, like the one you have shown, is going to bring about nothing but the same type of response.

And just to make it clear, what someone who I've never met and have only talked to through a public forum thinks about me really is of little to no concern to me. It's not that I have a closed mind, but rather that I really only worry about such things when it is coming from someone I know and trust and can comfortably say knows me well enough to actually have some grounds to make such judgments. Those who are willing to throw out judgments on people they honestly know nothing about are the ones who really aren't worth listening to.
To be honest, a mature adult would wait to throw out such judgments until he has more information and grounds to actually judge these situations. When you don't have the grounds or information, you really are just talking to a wall and have an extremely high chance of being completely wrong.
If you still think of me as immature or that my reasoning is filled with these so-called fallacies (or that my reasoning is a fallacy in of itself) then go on and continue thinking it. It really makes no difference to me. This is the last thing I will say because this honestly isn't worth my time. Thank you to those who actually acted with maturity and focused on the actual topic. I appreciate your input and it has been helpful in clarifying this for me.

 

[tricomb]

Oh, I think you did come here to be lectured, you want help you just don't know it yet.

You will see the truth soon enough, you think you're stronger than addiction you could not be more wrong, that's the ignorance of youth speaking, although not all youth is as ignorant. In fact, I know quite a few teens younger than you that aren't so blinded by fallacy. Of course they aren't as privileged to have parents that put up with them, let alone care enough to pay for and dose their Adderall.

Unfortunately, you're becoming accustomed to a comfortable lifestyle that is not realistic, that is, as you said, a fallacy. Your mind is definitely not as open as you think it is. You blatantly declared that nicotine addiction was the toughest addiction yet. While this may be your subjective experience, I guarantee there are others who would disagree, others who have more experience. I myself am having a hard time minimizing my cancer intake, yet have been able to refrain from IV drug abuse for over 2 years now, I don't go around saying "Oh yeah IV drug abuse, I personally don't struggle with that currently, nicotine is the true evil." etc. Just an example, what's difficult for you and I does not make it the toughest addiction, it's just the easiest addiction IMO, especially since you are now old enough to purchase your own cancer. Most people can't go to the gas station and get their DOC, so you could argue that it's not very tough at all, considering what others have to go through to get high.

This is a harm reduction focus forum and if you can't handle people you don't know giving you advice on the information that you provide us with, my best advice to you would be to get over it. I'm not going to say that this forum is not for you, you obviously could benefit a lot from Bluelight, you just need a more open mind and realize that no one here is trying to be conceded, just trying to force broad concepts into a narrow mind. It's not easy to help you when, as you said, we are talking to a wall.

 

[illusionsl]

Just to clarify, I meant toughest addiction for me personally. That was my fault for not wording better. However, to the rest of what you have written, I am not going to make a comment because this is an argument that won't end and I have said all that I feel I need to say.

 

[snazzy_sn]

^good choice. welcome to Bluelight x.x

 

[Deblanc]

I would not take the opportunity to be 18 again for all the Adderall in the world. I started using drugs at 11, and by 18 had a full blown addiction. The 7 years between taught me how to get what I wanted or needed, and that the best path was he path of least resistance. Lying to and manipulating my parents was the currency of my drug abuse. I think all of this can be boiled down to the following: "I am pissed off and offended that my parents are wise to my intentions." That anger and frustration you feel IS addiction. That's a classic manifestation. Adderall has it's hook in you, and they know it, and you know they know it, and itsbthe same feeling as being caught re-handed. Sorry, man. Try to learn from it if you can because it will only get exponentially worse. Oh, and doubling your dose of scripted meds before work to cope is exactly the same as if were alcohol or any other drug. Its addictive behavior, textbook.

 

[limonov]

They do not hold any legal right to your medication whether they foot the bill or not. Although I can't imagine many cops would seriously enforce this, if they refused to give you YOUR prescription and you called the police, they could be charged with unlawful possession of a controlled substance.

How about if you want to get high you go to a dealer? If they are paying for your script, obviously they are giving it to you as you should be taking it and the only reason you'd want control over it was to abuse it. Just get your own drugs elsewhere or stop relying on your parents for financial support.

Quote for motherfuckin' TRUTH!

I'm one of those classic 'troubled youth' types, repeatedly thrown out of schools, sent to juvvie a couple of times, on a first name basis with most of the cops in the area I grew up in- I was in a similar position, prescribed huge amounts of pills that I had no control over. At the time it shitted me up the fucking walls, they were MY prescriptions right? Well yeah, but the only reason I made a big deal out of it was so that I could abuse the temazepam and clonazepam that was prescribed to me.

Abusing/getting addicted to things that you are genuinely prescribed sucks ass- people think it's all 'free drugs!', but unless you have a (immortal) complete fucking quack as a doctor you will get cut off sooner or later and you will be picked up as a doctor shopper/addict and will never be prescribed anything from that entire family of drugs again. It may sound insane, but if you're going to get addicted to something you don't want to be dependent on the prescription system to support you habits- and, overall, pharmacutical habits are far more expensive than 'illict; drug habits, simply because eventually you have to buy pills off the street, typically at a huge mark up AFTER you've developed the tolerance of an ox.

This is a learning experience. If it pisses you off that much you'reeither a moody teenager or a latent addict- either group shouldn't have free access to drugs. Buying from dealers, when you're young, is kinda self-limiting which is probably for the best.

Actually, as an interesting side note- when I was like 15 I got put through the 'suicide watch thing' where you're confined for a few days and have to talk to heaps of doctors. When I was released I was prescribed a handful of sleeping pills and tranquilizers (some temazepam and clonazepam), but they were prescribed to my mother (her name on the bottle) and she was given directions on when to give them to me- I didn't know what they were until my father told me months later. Admittedly insurance is very different, but still interesting that there was a mechanism to stop a 'mental patient' from stealing an unfilled prescription in my name, taking it to a pharmacy, filling it and then taking them as I pleased (though they were probably worried I'd try to kill myself my taking them all at once rather than getting high).

 

[hthr007]

You are a legal adult (in most areas of the world) so technically they have no right to do that. But remember: their house their rules. They're doing this to keep you SAFE.

If you really want to have the bottle in your possession, call the pharmacy where you get your prescriptions and tell them that you want to authorize YOURSELF as the ONLY one who can pick up YOUR prescriptions. They will make a notation of this and deny anyone else the ability to pick them up if they try to. This is done quite frequently. By doing this you'll be able to pick up the script, and thus have it in YOUR possession and at YOUR disposal. HIPPA privacy laws in the US govern you this right.

Will your parents be pissed? Most likely, but you can do what you want. If they choose to drop you from their insurance, then look for an affordable one for yourself or pay out of pocket. This will grant you all the royalties to your scripts and it won't be displayed on your parents insurance summary of prescriptions if they request it, since it'll be your own plan that you're on.

**Your parents, annoying as it seems, are trying to protect you from dangers. They mean well. Be careful, adderal addiction is serious and not something to mess with. If you want your prescription in your hands for the control or privacy factor, that's fine. If you want it in your hands to abuse it, that's not okay.**


Edit:
Hope I didn't break any rules...I was just trying to explain the legal rights everyone has to their prescriptions.

 

[tricomb]

That's not breaking any rules, the only problem is we know he's trying to abuse it, so in a part of your post helps him abuse his own medication and he's clearly not even interested in harm reduction. I'm going to edit one sentence out of your post but the rest is copacetic.

 

[tricomb]

I would close this since he claims not to be care, but who knows, maybe if enough people can back up the people he's calling conceded, he'll see that this is actually just harm reduction

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I would close this since he claims not to be care, but who knows, maybe if enough people can back up the people he's calling conceded, he'll see that this is actually just harm reduction

I'm thinking that he/she meant to say conceited?

I agree with a lot of the content and sentiment shown in many of the posts in this thread, and I know it comes from a place of wanting to help the OP, illusionsl, but I don't agree with the manner in which it presented and can understand why he/she is being alienated by some of the judgmental tones. I can see my teenage self in him/her. And I know when people talked to me like that and angrily tried to warn me of the future I was getting myself into with drugs, I did not listen and just thought to myself "they are just arrogant jerks, and as if they should talk, they're drug users themselves". I thought I had everything figured out, as most teenagers do, and I was very mature and well-spoken for my age in many ways - people mistook me for 20 when I was 14. The only advice I actually listened to came from people who presented with compassion and non-judgement. If we want illusionsl to stick around and benefit from the wealth of experience and knowledge on Bluelight, we might try to make him/her feel more comfortable and stop with the name-calling. No 18-yr-old wants to listen to people who call him/her immature and ignorant. Alienating someone and driving them away is not going to help them or force them to listen, it's much more likely to make them feel like we are all ganging up on them and make them ignore everything we have to say.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Excellent points, Sd,

I certainly could have approached the situation more compassionately and been less confrontational - It's not the OP's fault his prefrontal cortex is yet to be fully developed

It's just so frustrating to see someone stick their fingers in their ears and tightly shut their eyes while you are trying to warn them they are about to be hit by a car. Actually it's worse than that... it's like he can see the car and hear the warnings but believes the car will just go around him so he'll be fine.

 

[tricomb]

Exactly, people come here for help sometimes there are posters like this one, who don't even realize they want or could use help/support, so they shut us out and everything seems like it's personal to them.

It's hard to find the right balance between understanding that they don't WANT help, and letting them know that they NEED help especially at that age.

 

[Kid Amine]

To the OP, this is a harm reduction forum. Sounds like your parents are trying to keep you from fucking yourself up. But, since you are clearly not interested in being informed on anything other than the legality of what your parents are doing, here's my 2c: go pay a lawyer $250 an hour to figure out what is legal and what's not. If you think for one second Im going to waste any of my time researching legal questions for you, you would be mistaken.

 

[tricomb]

Not to mention that here on BL we do not allow legal discussion.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^ actually it's not exactly prohibited on BL - the legal discussion forum was closed because it wasn't that active, most of the discussion was repetitive and we were concerned that people were using it instead of seeking actual legal counsel when it was needed. Since laws vary from area to area, typically the legal discussion is redirected into the appropriate regional forum but sometimes there is SOME legal discussion permitted in the focus, drug discussion or community forums.

 

[Fire&Water]

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