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Question about NBOH

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snowdaytoday

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I have tried googling it myself, but there just doesn't seem to be much information on the NBOH series of RC's. As for 25I and 25C NBOH, how safe is this drug in blotter form? By that I mean, does it seem to have any severe negative affects, or does it seem relatively safe to take? Also, which do you prefer, the 25I or 25C NBOH, and why? What are they like as far as head space, visuals, thoughts, etc? Thanks!
 
snowdaytoday said:
I have tried googling it myself, but there just doesn't seem to be much information on the NBOH series of RC's. As for 25I and 25C NBOH, how safe is this drug in blotter form? By that I mean, does it seem to have any severe negative affects, or does it seem relatively safe to take? Also, which do you prefer, the 25I or 25C NBOH, and why? What are they like as far as head space, visuals, thoughts, etc? Thanks!
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I am not hugely experienced with these new psychedelics, but I read alot.

The NBOH series initially appeared a little lighter on the system than their NBOMe cousins, but I wouldn't contrue that to mean that they are "safe". I am aware of one hospitalisation in the UK from a 2500ug (2.5mg) dose of 25c-NBOH combined with 150ug of Al-Lad. The health consequences could have been serious - http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/698687-WARNING-AL-LAD-25c-NBOH-put-friend-in-Intensive-Care

The effects of 500ug of 25i-NBOH were mild visuals but little psychedelic thought or mind-expansion. I only tried it once, as a favour...
 
we know lsd is safe from years and years of people using it
we can guess that lsd might be safe since only a few micrograms (practically an invisible quantity) provides a full trip, and even 100's of times of that do not accidentally kill the subject, or even make them physically sick - in that way it seems LSD is unique among all substances (we can probably expect the same safety profile from LSZ)

the nbomes and the nbohs are new (we don't have years of experience with nbomes or nbohs and cant have that kind of information (like safety of lsd over time) for another 50 years)
we can guess that a regular dose of 1mg or half a mg will be safe since it is so tiny similar to lsd dosage, but many times over that dose of nbome have made people sick and some reports of accidental death have emerged.
personally I find the taste very weird but found no disturbing physical side effects (I get more physical difficulty from cannabis) but my experience is so far limited to 500mics of nbome (a half dose)

at the same time many other accepted compounds are much more toxic and have left many accidental deaths, including mmda, speed, crack, heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.

nobody knows what long range exposure to occasional nboh or nbome might be, but my guess is that careful dosing (below 2mg) will be satisfactory and at least as safe as mescaline is or at least as safe as an ayahuasca brew is.
 
pupnik said:
with nbomes or nbohs and cant have that kind of information (like safety of lsd over time) for another 50 years)
we can guess that a regular dose of 1mg or half a mg will be safe since it is so tiny similar to lsd dosage, but many times over that dose of nbome have made people sick and some reports of accidental death have emerged. .
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Thanks for the awesome response, both of you. I am aware of Nbome death but haven't all of the Nbome deaths occurred due to either A, excessive doses of blotters, or B, snorting the power. I've never heard of any deaths or really any thing very negative about the Nbome's in the 1-2mg range on blotter paper. One would think the same rules would apply to the NBOH series. I really hope this drug becomes more popular as the fucking government has been cracking down more on the Nbome series. From what I've gathered thus far, NBOH seems relatively safe as long as you keep it around 1-1.5mg (2mg at the very most. Then again, I've heard of one guy supposedly taking 4mg of the shit throughout the course of a trip, but better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

Any more response would be greatly appreciated.
 
Studies suggest that aside from being moderately less fat-soluble and a little more selective for 5ht2a over 5ht2c, the NBOH series are really functionally equivalent to the NBOMe series. In terms of safety you should treat them all the same; they're going to be potent psychedelic drugs, and dose control is essential.

Many of the NBOMe compounds are fairly active at or below 500mcg. You don't need to rush things.

we know lsd is safe from years and years of people using it
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I have suspicions that if we saw more people taking 1500 microgram doses of LSD that there would be a far higher incidence of negative effects. Realistically, death from LSD intoxication is possible, just very unlikely unless you actively encourage it by reckless behaviour (such as snorting lines of powdered LSD - the famous case study, without medical assistance people would have died). Just going from the fact that the NBOMe series are better ligands for the 5ht2a receptor (c.f. stronger psychedelics) and also more fat soluble than LSD, yet people consistently take doses that would be more than 4-5x as large in milligrams as a LSD dose, why wouldn't we expect more negative effects?

And it's not like LSD is 100% mentally safe, either, there's always the story-myths of the acid burnout. Maybe it's just me but it seems like "NBOMes are not safe because they are new" is kind of a cop-out, maybe they aren't safe because people are using them recklessly because they don't fully understand the power and hazards of the class of drugs.
 
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I'm leaning towards 25I-NBOH as it seems to be much more visual and mindfuckish. Would you recommend getting a 10 strip or just go all in and get 25?
 
Also sorry to be captain additional buzzkill, but asking directly what type or quantity of drugs to choose, buy, take is also not in the spirit of the forum reflected in the no 'what should I take?' thread rule.

These NBOH compounds have a very limited history of use in humans and you ought to be careful not to get that narrow perspective skewed by one or two individuals and their personal preferences. It's probably better if you are realistic about the uncertainties of taking these drugs instead of taking and abusing anecdotal evidence as if it were something more.
My advice about choosing between the two is make an educated guess yourself based on what came up during your research on these compounds (which I assume you have done!). By reading the 25I-NBOMe and 25C-NBOMe threads you may try to infer some things and make up your mind about 25I-NBOH and 25C-NBOH.

The quantity is something for you to decide. Buying more is economical but also a bit of a gamble if you don't know whether the substance will agree with you whatsoever. Find a balance between those two. Not everyone has the same budget. Etc. Make up your own mind.

After that if you have acquired an amount of one of these drugs, start very low and slowly work your way up by titrating your doses and by making your batch homogenously potent / dosed, if it isn't already. That way responses should be as consistent as far as you have direct and clear influence on that. This approach is very important especially with ultra new, ultra potent and potentially dangerous compounds. And because this approach is mostly the same for these compounds it is independent of which of these two you choose and how much you buy.
Although never hasten your titration because you have a small supply!
 
It's not buzzkill to warn of unexpected surprises! It's realistic. As the drugs scene changes, we need to adapt the HR message accordingly, which you've done rather well Sol :)

Pay special attention to the bit where Solipsis warns against rapid titration. Take your time, start low & be patient. Run an allergy test or two. Seperate your experiements by at least a week, preferably two. Remember that although the act of tripping might be millenia old, tripping on NBOH is an entirely new endevour & one that should be undertaken with maximum responsibility & minimum risk.

Above all, make notes & keep them! & enjoy yourself, of course!
 
Thanks all! The great thing about RC's in blotter form is that as long as you are informed on the substance and know how much you should take, it is a relatively safe experience. The chemical seems to be greatly similar to NBOMe, so I know dosing is very important. I doubt I will ever go over more than 2mg of this substance. Because there is little recorded use of this substance, I will try my best to write detailed reports once I have had some experience with this drug.
 
Just be careful & take your time getting up to a 2mg dose, because negative reactions can occur at any dose.

Consider that your blotters could easily be laid badly & have wildly varying degrees of potency, even perhaps with blotters that are right next to each other on the sheet. If you didn't lay the blotters properly yourself, personally, assume that they have been laid improperly.

Don't assume simply because some vendor has said these blotters are this drugs at this dose that it's the truth, the vendor could easily have made a msitake, or recieved some other random compound by accident, or tested a seperate batch. The possibilites of things going wrong long before you got hold of the tabs are close to infinite & the only way to be 100% sure of avoiding these risks is to avoid drugs altogether. If you choose to go ahead anyway, be sure to follow all the intructions that might apply to any brand new substance & you reduce the risks.

Sorry for all the dark shit, it's just out of an excess of caution! Enjoy :)
 
Informing yourself as well as possible and knowing how much to take... YES that is the best we can do, but NO it does not make it safe when the information available is just limited.

Just know this and be prepared. Then again when you do go trip, relax about it because stressing over this fact you cannot change anyway is pointless and it can mess with your trip. But keeping your composure about it shouldn't be confused with actual security.

Smart of you to put a ceiling on that dosage range, people who think you can just keep going up until there are health scares, hospitalizations and funerals really fail to understand something. It is hard to express but it is the same reason Shulgin would stop at a certain point when testing new compounds, even if it is not sheer intensity that makes it "enough". Not all toxicity is felt in side-effects and not all side-effects are toxic in the same way... this discrepancy must be taken into account when titrating. Do not only guide yourself with telling yourself 'not too little' but also 'not too much' and anticipate issues. It doesn't have to be pure trial and error.

Thank you very much in advance for writing a report. :)
 
I want this drug to become more popular so that there will be more information on it available to the RC community, but at the same time I don't, because when it becomes popular, people will start taking stupid high doses and hurting themselves, and that's when the shit is going to become illegal just like NBOMe. Enjoy it while you can I suppose.
 
I have noticed with NBOMe and to a lesser extent 2c-x chems that there is much less qualitative difference between the effects from phens than say with tryptamines
With NBOH I would expect there to be very little difference except in differences in potency and duration
 
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I have noticed with NBOMe and to a lesser extent 2c-x chems that there is much less qualitative difference between the effects from phens than say with tryptamines
With NBOH I would expect there to be very little difference except in differences in potency and duration
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Part of the reason may be that the more is known about substances, the more people characterize it, and this in turn influences people and convinces them this character is actually equal to the nature of the drug. There is a feedback loop. Suggestion and susceptibility.
Similarly people develop an ego and there is so much reaffirmation of that (though with corrections) over time that they identify entirely with their ego.

The former is probably what Rupert Sheldrake calls the morphogenic field. But at first glance that sounds like non-sense to me, taking the idea much too far.

Anyway, while it may be true that there is little difference between say 25I-NBOMe and 25I-NBOH because the benzyl fits less directly or critically in the receptor pocket... I imagine there is still significant difference between different 4 position substitutions (X in 25X). But SAR is a finnicky bitch and I honestly can't say. Just wanted to point out that maybe that suggestive effect is playing us more than we care to admit being aware of.
 
They are incredibly visual in a very tangible way.
If they didn't give me headaches and had a better safety profile I would love them for by myself trips.
I have never seen visuals so beautiful as a mg of 25i insufflated over the course of a few hours then going to bed.
The visuals mixed in with the sliver of moonlight entering my room were absolutely stunning, like a fucking circus going on in my room with bright lights and colours and they danced along in perfect synchronization with my thoughts and the music I was listening to
 
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