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I am a perfectly healthy, sound of mind 18 year old. Both my father and my mother have a sister each with quite serious mental conditions. I'm not too sure on the specifics of their actual conditions but from what I can tell one of them is seriously depressed and the other is delusional and paranoid.

My question is this - would it be a bad idea for me to experiment with drugs like cocaine and MDMA? Are there any drugs I should stay right clear of? Sometimes when smoking weed I get intense paranoia, and occasionally morbid thoughts, but for the most part I get good highs and sober I'm pretty mentally stable. Does that make a difference?

It's just I've seen first hand how these conditions can fuck a life up, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I've just shat all over my psyche just to get a lil fucked up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Well, dont EVER EVER do meth.

Other than that though lol, MDMA should be fine, but in serious moderation. It is a very safe drug when used correctly, but it can seriously damage your serotonin system, which is basically what keeps you from being depressed and paranoid... it regulates your emotions, and your body function.


Because MDMA releases serotonin, you will be flooded with feelings of empathy, love, joy, hope, happiness, excitement, pure euphoria basically... but this comes with a price. If you keep releasing your serotonin without letting it regenerate, you get the opposite of that. Paranoia, self loathing, a feeling of worthlessness, loneliness, mood swings... basically all the symptoms of manic depression.


By now your probably thinking, "why the hell would I ever want to do it, with all those risks?!?!"

Well, those only come from serious abuse of the drug. We are talking doing it weekly, for years. If you do decide to roll, you MUST be SURE to keep 3 months in between each dose. This will keep your brain healthy, and functioning the way it was before. It may even open you up and you'll find a new sense of the world, you'll see the happier side of life, but once again, this is with strict abstinence in between.


Read around the forum, familiarize your self with the harm reduction techniques surrounding ecstasy use, and follow them to a point.


Also, if you do decide to roll (I recommend it!!), make SURE that what you are getting is MDMA. The ecstasy scene is SHIT now-a-days, and your much more likely to find piperazines or PMMA instead. Look into getting a reagent testing kit, or look up your pills on pillreports.com
 
Folley said:
Well, dont EVER EVER do meth.

Other than that though lol, MDMA should be fine, but in serious moderation. It is a very safe drug when used correctly, but it can seriously damage your serotonin system, which is basically what keeps you from being depressed and paranoid... it regulates your emotions, and your body function.


Because MDMA releases serotonin, you will be flooded with feelings of empathy, love, joy, hope, happiness, excitement, pure euphoria basically... but this comes with a price. If you keep releasing your serotonin without letting it regenerate, you get the opposite of that. Paranoia, self loathing, a feeling of worthlessness, loneliness, mood swings... basically all the symptoms of manic depression.


By now your probably thinking, "why the hell would I ever want to do it, with all those risks?!?!"

Well, those only come from serious abuse of the drug. We are talking doing it weekly, for years. If you do decide to roll, you MUST be SURE to keep 3 months in between each dose. This will keep your brain healthy, and functioning the way it was before. It may even open you up and you'll find a new sense of the world, you'll see the happier side of life, but once again, this is with strict abstinence in between.


Read around the forum, familiarize your self with the harm reduction techniques surrounding ecstasy use, and follow them to a point.


Also, if you do decide to roll (I recommend it!!), make SURE that what you are getting is MDMA. The ecstasy scene is SHIT now-a-days, and your much more likely to find piperazines or PMMA instead. Look into getting a reagent testing kit, or look up your pills on pillreports.com
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so the only real danger is from the after effects, not during the trip?

i know quite a fair bit about mdma (or at least as much as you can know without ever having tried it...) so if i ever do take it i'll do everything i can to be as careful as possible.

out of interest, why is meth a bad idea? a lot of pills are laced with meth, aren't they?

around my way the majority of people i know who roll get it in crystal form though...would you recommend crystals or a pill for a first timer?
 
Well crystal is usually better, but its kinda turned to shit too. A lot of the stuff in the US is methylone or another RC

I would go with pills with a really good reputation, like White Skullcandies, or Speakers (not a whole one!), or something of the sort, just so you can be sure that its good.

That being said, MDMA is MDMA, as long as its pure, it doesnt matter if you get crystal or pills, it will do the same thing


And really the damage is caused during the trip, but yeah, basically you only have to worry about taking too much, or too often. If you wait at least 3 months, you can be virtually guaranteed to be just as good, if not better than before.



As for meth... fuck that shit. Same with cocaine. You dont need stimulants like that, they dont do anything for you. MDMA is a GOOD drug, it helps people with their problems, and lets them bond with complete strangers.
Meth... it tweaks you out so your running around at 3 in the morning, on your fifth day of a meth binge, running from the "feds" who are "after you", as you become more and more paranoid and you think people are out to get you, as you slip into a hole you cant crawl out of, stuck at the bottom of a long fall down.

Its just bad shit... stay away from stimulants like that, they only fuck you up, they will give you nothing, but will take everything.
 
Well no one can give you better advice than a mental health professional. Go talk to someone about your risks. All drugs have the possibility to bring out or enhance underlying mental conditions. Many mental health issues can be genetic. Bi polar and schizophrenia usually have an early adult onset. Be carefull, talk to someone professional to assess your risks. You don't want to kickstart or magnify an issue
 
I forgot to add. While taking MDMA will probably result in you having a wonderful time in the moment. The after effects may not be so positive to your metal health if you have a predisposition to mental health issues
 
Dont even bother with cocaine buddy. It is way too expensive and doesn't last very long in comparison with the MDMA.
 
Good advice from Folley and others here.
Cocaine is a worthless drug - hopelessly adulterated due to its high cost.
Even good stuff requires CONSTANT redosing, which is NOT like other stimulants.

Meth will keep you HIGH for 12-18 hours, off of two hits.
And only the first third of this will be 'fun'.
The rest is wirey, retarded, impulsive bullshit that is FAR from a pleasant experience.
Until you get addicted - then the shitty marathon transforms into something you enjoy.
But getting to that point takes some effort and you do NOT want to know what happens if you succeed.

Stimulants are a VERY BAD IDEA for somebody suspected of having mental health issues.
Even completely normal 'healthy' people are destroyed by meth and cocaine, so a genetic weakness could spell disaster for you.
Unfortunately you might like the stimulation and clarity that results from the initial use, so the impending downfall will not be apparent.

Smoking weed is also a VERY bad idea.
The paranoia you feel is a clear sign that you are ignoring.

Among those who are susceptible, schizophrenia is SIX times more likely to occur in cannabis users!
This comes from a large-scale military study.

Chronic use leads to alterations in the shape and size of the prefrontal cortex, your highest cognitive brain center.
Eventually a loss of bloodflow can be seen that does NOT recover with abstinence.
I highly recommend that you STOP smoking weed.

Especially if you are going to do MDMA.
Among MDMA users with depression/anxiety it is the regular cannabis users that exhibit the greatest suffering.
"While the extent of MDMA use predicts the cognitive deficit, it is the extent of cannabis use that predicts the psychological deficit."

Even MDMA on its own is risky for you.
And Folley is right - the comedown is what you have to fear the most.
The experience itself would cause great improvement in anxiety and social phobia for you.
You would LOVE the experience.

But when you start coming down is when 'brain damage' begins occurring.
The degree depends on dosage more than anything and most people adapt to the alterations quite easily.
But regardless of what is happening at the synaptic level, it is the first hours following a roll and the next day that cause the most unpleasant feelings. What comes up...

Moderate MDMA use does not lead to severe psychological problems.
This could be defined as 100-150 mg per session of TESTED pure MDMA.
Spaced by at LEAST 90 days....with once a year being a wise choice for someone like yourself.
Take Alpha lipoic acid and Vit C before and after the experience as they may contribute neuroprotection.

Or just don't roll.

If your family members were schizophrenic there is only a minor genetic component involved.
Your risk would rise from 1% to 10% based on immediate family occurrence.
It appears that this and other 'psychotic' disorders require specific life events or 'environmental factors' to occur.

If they are suffering from depression, OCD, or social anxiety this is more likely to be genetically linked.
And since serotonin is tied to ALL the above, it is indeed risky to use powerful serotonin neurotoxins like MDMA.
I cannot recommend it to you.

But moderate use would likely do little harm.
It is long-term weed smoking that is really going to hurt you.
I am dead serious about that - so I hope you hear me.

I cannot deny that being a regular smoker for years was a BIG factor in my eventual downfall from MDMA.
Almost a year and a half of abstinence from all drugs - and I'm still not 'normal' yet.
Take care of yourself.
 
I can't add much to the above advice other than to say that someone I know became schizophrenic after getting into drugs and it has destroyed him almost completely. His entire life collapsed and although I believe he is mostly better now, he's a different person. So if you think there is a viable risk in in and you're worried about it then don't bother.

Whilst MDMA is unlikely to lead to mental problems, it can.
 
I totally believe cannabis can bring out underlying mental issues. cannabis caused me to have permanent generalized anxiety disorder. MDMA never gave me severe side effects except for depression a few days after and that's it. supplement 5-htp helps with that
 
Folley said:
It may even open you up and you'll find a new sense of the world, you'll see the happier side of life, but once again, this is with strict abstinence in between.
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this happened to me, Im generally happier now than ever before. Its stayed with me even since.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Good advice from Folley and others here.
Cocaine is a worthless drug - hopelessly adulterated due to its high cost.
Even good stuff requires CONSTANT redosing, which is NOT like other stimulants.

Meth will keep you HIGH for 12-18 hours, off of two hits.
And only the first third of this will be 'fun'.
The rest is wirey, retarded, impulsive bullshit that is FAR from a pleasant experience.
Until you get addicted - then the shitty marathon transforms into something you enjoy.
But getting to that point takes some effort and you do NOT want to know what happens if you succeed.

Stimulants are a VERY BAD IDEA for somebody suspected of having mental health issues.
Even completely normal 'healthy' people are destroyed by meth and cocaine, so a genetic weakness could spell disaster for you.
Unfortunately you might like the stimulation and clarity that results from the initial use, so the impending downfall will not be apparent.

Smoking weed is also a VERY bad idea.
The paranoia you feel is a clear sign that you are ignoring.

Among those who are susceptible, schizophrenia is SIX times more likely to occur in cannabis users!
This comes from a large-scale military study.

Chronic use leads to alterations in the shape and size of the prefrontal cortex, your highest cognitive brain center.
Eventually a loss of bloodflow can be seen that does NOT recover with abstinence.
I highly recommend that you STOP smoking weed.

Especially if you are going to do MDMA.
Among MDMA users with depression/anxiety it is the regular cannabis users that exhibit the greatest suffering.
"While the extent of MDMA use predicts the cognitive deficit, it is the extent of cannabis use that predicts the psychological deficit."

Even MDMA on its own is risky for you.
And Folley is right - the comedown is what you have to fear the most.
The experience itself would cause great improvement in anxiety and social phobia for you.
You would LOVE the experience.

But when you start coming down is when 'brain damage' begins occurring.
The degree depends on dosage more than anything and most people adapt to the alterations quite easily.
But regardless of what is happening at the synaptic level, it is the first hours following a roll and the next day that cause the most unpleasant feelings. What comes up...

Moderate MDMA use does not lead to severe psychological problems.
This could be defined as 100-150 mg per session of TESTED pure MDMA.
Spaced by at LEAST 90 days....with once a year being a wise choice for someone like yourself.
Take Alpha lipoic acid and Vit C before and after the experience as they may contribute neuroprotection.

Or just don't roll.

If your family members were schizophrenic there is only a minor genetic component involved.
Your risk would rise from 1% to 10% based on immediate family occurrence.
It appears that this and other 'psychotic' disorders require specific life events or 'environmental factors' to occur.

If they are suffering from depression, OCD, or social anxiety this is more likely to be genetically linked.
And since serotonin is tied to ALL the above, it is indeed risky to use powerful serotonin neurotoxins like MDMA.
I cannot recommend it to you.

But moderate use would likely do little harm.
It is long-term weed smoking that is really going to hurt you.
I am dead serious about that - so I hope you hear me.

I cannot deny that being a regular smoker for years was a BIG factor in my eventual downfall from MDMA.
Almost a year and a half of abstinence from all drugs - and I'm still not 'normal' yet.
Take care of yourself.
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okay, just to clarify if i do decide to try mdma it will never become a regular thing. i'll keep it strictly once or twice a year.

basically this is what i plan to do if i do actually take it -

my friend has an older brother who's been in the drug scene for quite a while now. he's basically my best bet to get anything at least semi-decent, so me and my friend are gonna split a pill between us before we go to a club. what possible shit could the pill be laced with? anything that could cause me serious damage?

and you say quit weed? why do you think long term cannabis use is so bad? i mean, i smoke maybe 3 times a week, and i really feel exactly the same as i did before i started smoking.

and another thing - what are the dangers from taking mdma? is it just the serotonin receptors which can get messed with?

really appreciate all the help so far by the way guys thanks a lot
 
Andronicus said:
I can't add much to the above advice other than to say that someone I know became schizophrenic after getting into drugs and it has destroyed him almost completely. His entire life collapsed and although I believe he is mostly better now, he's a different person. So if you think there is a viable risk in in and you're worried about it then don't bother.

Whilst MDMA is unlikely to lead to mental problems, it can.
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was your friend a big time druggy or did he just try drugs a couple of times?
 
one more thing....

most of the sources i've looked at say that it isn't recommended to mess about with drugs if you have somebody suffering for a mental illness in your immediate family....aunties and uncles don't come under that do they? i thought immediate family was just mother, father and siblings?
 
Question said:
okay, just to clarify if i do decide to try mdma it will never become a regular thing. i'll keep it strictly once or twice a year.
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You tell yourself that now, after you have tried the substance and enjoyed it, a one year wait will seem like forever!

A friend of mine said something years which has stuck with me, "you either do more and more drugs or you quit, there is no in between". He was correct with regards to me, and it seems like he is with you too, first weed and now trying MDMA ;-) I know some people are able to not do/crave drugs all the time but just wanted to make a point.
 
Question said:
okay, just to clarify if i do decide to try mdma it will never become a regular thing. i'll keep it strictly once or twice a year.

basically this is what i plan to do if i do actually take it -

my friend has an older brother who's been in the drug scene for quite a while now. he's basically my best bet to get anything at least semi-decent, so me and my friend are gonna split a pill between us before we go to a club. what possible shit could the pill be laced with? anything that could cause me serious damage?
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Glad to hear!!! If you keep it once or twice a year, you'll be so much better off.

Also, dont trust that dude, even if its your dad. I dont care how well you know him, its up to you to make sure your stuff is good. If your not going to get a reagent, make sure to check the pills on pillreports.com


also, I wouldnt take a half pill, that pretty much a waste. Its just one pill, unless your in Holland you have nothing to worry about, other than the meth, piperazines, PMMA, DMA, 5-MeO-DiPT, mephedrone, methylone, 2C-x and a lot of other random, shitty chemicals.


MDMA is the way
 
You're at greater risk of substance abuse especially if mental illness (specifically depression/schizo as stated in your post) runs in your family. Drugs can bring out your mental illness. Your neurochemicals are already imbalanced and drugs will just further complicate things. A stimulant like coke can make depression worse when off it or even delirious, MDMA is a stimulant/hallucinogen that works mostly on serotonin and dopamine while indirectly affecting norepinephrine, which can make depression worse and bring out schizo symptoms like paranoia and delusions and hallucinations.You can be saying you're mentally stable because that is what you're used to.

It's hard to find pure MDMA that isn't cut with speed. If you decide to use MDMA I suggest getting a testing kit and using 50-100 mg as a low tolerance starting dose and having a friend to watch out for you. Those interested in drugs say they will use recreationally but end up becoming physically and psychologically dependent on it for everyday normal functions. Once a user, always a user.

When I used speed, which is like 80% of what MDMA is cut with, what became recreational use, turned into an everyday thing to function "normally". It brought out symptoms of depression, anxiety, bipolar, schizo, OCD, ADHD, anorexia, insomnia, and seizures in me. I would be happy and sad at the same time and laughing and crying at the same time. Don't start with drugs, it all leads down a path of destroying your life and affecting those that love you...
 
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