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Question about LSD after MDMA

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Rolled my balls off last weekend, experienced mild serotonin syndrome. Been taking my L-Tryptophan, Vit C and Piracetam.. my question is do you think my lowered levels of serotonin are going to have a negative effect on my LSD trip I plan to have this weekend?
 
mild serotonin syndrome

There is no such thing. Serotonin syndrome is a prolonged posioning from humongous amounts of extrasynaptic serotonin not being degraded - almost always involving a MAOI or some other serious heavy-guns antidepressants, and always just more than MDMA... you probably just were rolling face....


MDMA and LSD should not have any cross tolerance, after a week.
 
I think you should be ok this weekend, taking LSD the day after or even a couple of days after MDMA pretty much means you won't trip.
 
i have tripped the day after taking the most mdma i have ever taken (and will ever take) in one night, and it turned out to be one of my best experiences with lsd. if you wait one week between the two, you'll surely be fine.

I think you should be ok this weekend, taking LSD the day after or even a couple of days after MDMA pretty much means you won't trip.

what? not ime. i had a trip that didn't lack in intensity at all from half a hit of decent acid, just 16 hours after taking 7 pills of about 80mg mdma each (i definitely don't reccomend doing that much mdma, yuck).
 
Strange - are you sure they were MDMA and not pips? Good quality crystal MDMA pretty much negates any LSD trip for a few days - even if you take twice or three times as much as acid to try and compensate.
 
I think you should be ok this weekend, taking LSD the day after or even a couple of days after MDMA pretty much means you won't trip.


Uh you sure on that? That was not the case for me personally, and taking a small dose of LSD (65-75ug) post MDMA was a favorite combo for Mr. Shulgin.
 
It seems to vary from person to person, I personally never had this issue (slight diminishing maybe) but a friend of mine needs massive doses to even feel a thing following MDMA use. Which is weird because I often get HEAVY depression following MDMA (the reason I stopped), but she doesn't have any of that.
 
Strange - are you sure they were MDMA and not pips? Good quality crystal MDMA pretty much negates any LSD trip for a few days - even if you take twice or three times as much as acid to try and compensate.

dead sure. we have government sponsored lab testing at parties over here.
 
Uh you sure on that? That was not the case for me personally, and taking a small dose of LSD (65-75ug) post MDMA was a favorite combo for Mr. Shulgin.

What did he mean by "post-MDMA"? The day after? Or when the MDMA was wearing off?

I wouldn't be so keen take Shulgins work as law - taking LSD at the end of a heavy MDMA session when you're already exhausted - meaning you're going to be awake for another 12-24 hours sounds like a waste of LSD to me. Not great for your health either.

Any idea why he was only taking 65ug? That's not really a psychedelic dose anyway - was he taking that because he knew LSD didn't become psychedelic after MDMA no matter what dose he took?

Which is weird because I often get HEAVY depression following MDMA (the reason I stopped), but she doesn't have any of that.

Me too - I don't get any depression and LSD doesn't work for a few days after MDMA.
 
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One could argue that I don't get downregulation of serotonin receptors following MDMA, giving me a lot of unactivated receptors. You do get that however, making the lack of monamines negligible but giving you no to diminished effects.

But, this is a random dude on a forum and not a scientific paper so maybe I should shut up.. 8)
 
He was referring to taking the LSD as the MDMA was wearing off.

From PIHKAL....

>The putting of a drug on top of an active drug, usually
>during the latter part of its effectiveness is, as previously
stated, called "piggy-backing."

>EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: There is need for more commentary.
>It must be noted that all of the above comments used rather modest
>dosages of LSD. The notes of this period, some two years of exploring
>interactions of the MD series of compounds as preludes to true psychedelics,
>are difficult to distill into a simple pattern. Most of these studies used LSD in
>the 60-100 microgram range which is fundamentally a modest level. Many
>trials were made where the challenge of acid plopped right on top of an
>active residue of another drug was more in keeping with the "piggyback"
>argument. An illustration of this is a trial in which the primer was MDMA
>followed at 5 hours (this is at a time of almost no effect) with a larger dose of LSD


What did he mean by "post-MDMA"? The day after? Or when the MDMA was wearing off?

I wouldn't be so keen take Shulgins work as law - taking LSD at the end of a heavy MDMA session when you're already exhausted - meaning you're going to be awake for another 12-24 hours sounds like a waste of LSD to me. Not great for your health either.

Any idea why he was only taking 65ug? That's not really a psychedelic dose anyway - was he taking that because he knew LSD didn't become psychedelic after MDMA no matter what dose he took?

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I personally prefer to take LSD first, MDMA one hour later...but I have done it the other way around and what you say just was not my experience. MDMA never particularly makes me exhausted anyway (beyond having stayed up all night), but taking a psychedelic on the tail end (LSD numerous times, 2C-I on one occasion, and 2C-T-7 a couple or three times in my case) is very enjoyable and not at all 'rough' or a producer of a more severe hangover.
 
Yeah I'm one of the biggest fans of mixing LSD and MDMA. But if you can face taking LSD at 4am after being up since 8pm the previous night knocking back a gram plus of MDMA then you're a better man than I. All I want to do is sleep.

Does the LSD hit you with just as much psychedelic intensity as if you were taking it fresh on a drug-free brain? Interesting why it should affect different people differently.
 
I confess to usually just dosing MDMA once in a night (@ the standard 120mg) and I'm done with it. I've always enjoyed MDMA most when I am camping with a friend or partner, or at home if weather does not permit camping...so it's never struck me as an exhausting experience...unless its been one of those marathon drug/sex filled nights...that's been known to happen around here with MDMA and partners and all.

I have consistently found that LSD hits VERY intensely on MDMA...whether I take it before or after. I've always said if LSD/MDMA were a single compound...it would be my favorite synthetic.
 
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