Question about liver care?

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liftedgift

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Hey, been lifting for close to 2 years now but got real into it in the past year or so. I've never ran a cycle and honestly I don't plan to until I know all I can. I still consider myself a real beginner learning more every week.

My question: I've read the sticky "your first cycle" countless times and I understand that an oral only cycle is not recommended but it is recommended to take an oral with injection. Now with running an oral for 4 weeks wouldn't that put a strain on your liver and is there something else you need to take for that? I understand tamoxifen,clomid and an ai like anastrozole being mentioned in the sticky. But is there something else or is 4 weeks not long enough to cause enough liver damage?

Also, injecting test e pretty much bypasses your liver right? I've never injected anything in my life and really don't like the idea of it but I'll be honest its been getting the best of my curiosity for some time now.
 
Injecting really isn't that bad mate, its only an IM injection, not like your going into your vein like some sort of addict. Sure the first, second and maybe third injections will scare the shit out of you and freak you the fuck out, its really no big deal. Its completely safe if you do it correctly, keeping everything sterile and keeping out of veins in the correct injection sites. And you literally don't feel a thing, its less painful than someone flicking your skin, it really is that easy.
I was like you before I started, freaked the fuck out, just couldn't do it, shaking like a leaf with a needle in my hand and my mind just wouldn't let me do it, but after about half an hour sitting there with my head in my hands shaking, trying to overcome this insanely huge obstical (to me) I just said fuck it and stuck it in. Once it was in I was still shaking but the fear had faded a bit, I aspirated and pushed the plunger in and it was over...
Biggest fucking smile on my face ever after that, the feeling of triumph and overcoming my fear (of self injecting) was amazing. I was thinking “what the fuck? Was that REALLY it?”. Turns out injecting is fucking easy, and something I really look forward to 3x a week now. “This little prick is going to make me GROW” (lol) I think to myself, and the actual sticking the needle in I very much enjoy too for some reason...

Don't do an oral only though mate, its a waste of time and effort, your gains will be huge, then you lose 50-75% of them, and without a very good PCT you will probably end up worse than before you started. The problem with this is the feeling of gaining A LOT very quickly then losing it all again. Fucks with your head... Over the months youl probably lose whatever else you gained too. Hormones shouldn't be fucked with for the sake of curiousity, if your going to play fuck about with your hormones you might as well do it properly with some injectibles and real keepable gains. Though its your body and you can do as you please with it, I do, and the rest of the regulars here I'm sure will advise against it for the sake of your hormone levels, your time, money and physical appearance.

Hope this is useful in some shape or form
 
Yeah thanks for the feedback, it's a mental block. I mean I get blood taken every now and then but I just have never tried myself. My fear isn't the pain, but not knowing where to inject so you don't hit an artery or anything lol, worst case scenario I know.

But so there is no need for a liver care supplement( don't even know if that is a real thing) or anything with an oral dose or even with test e?
 
The 3 main injection sites which are very easy to find contain no arterys bro. You would have to miss your point by 6 inches to hit one lol

Milk thistle for orals, though I don't use anything for protection, just don't drink
 
Do you have to inject the AI? All i see is liquid Anastrozole and the sticky says to get.25 -.5 at least every other day or even every day. Would it be an IM injection or am I not seeing something right..
 
liftedgift said:
Do you have to inject the AI? All i see is liquid Anastrozole and the sticky says to get.25 -.5 at least every other day or even every day. Would it be an IM injection or am I not seeing something right..
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That would be taken orally.
 
There really isn't anything you can take to limit the damage of orals, just don't stay on them too long and don't drink alcohol.

Milk thistle has been passed off as a 'liver protector' in the bodybuilding community for decades but is likely little more than bro science.
 
Hey!

Milk thistle has been very good to me these past 7 years of using orals, prohormones, and injectables. I have no need for AI's. Waste of money. AAS and ETOH spells early death.
There are a few other supplements that help the liver and are quite inexpensive. "Broscience" That's a good one!
 
Wing Chun said:
Milk thistle has been very good to me these past 7 years of using orals, prohormones, and injectables. I have no need for AI's. Waste of money. AAS and ETOH spells early death.
There are a few other supplements that help the liver and are quite inexpensive. "Broscience" That's a good one!
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As persuasive as "I been usin' Milk Thistle for 7 years and ain't never got jaundice or esophageal varices, so I know it's good shit" is coming from some random bro on the internet, I was hoping you could provide something in the form of like...evidence.
 
yeah yeah :P, I kept getting results on when to take it, but finally saw someone say they squirt it with a syringe, another said he mixes it with his OJ ...lol apparently it taste kinda funky?
 
liftedgift said:
Hey, been lifting for close to 2 years now but got real into it in the past year or so. I've never ran a cycle and honestly I don't plan to until I know all I can. I still consider myself a real beginner learning more every week.

My question: I've read the sticky "your first cycle" countless times and I understand that an oral only cycle is not recommended but it is recommended to take an oral with injection. Now with running an oral for 4 weeks wouldn't that put a strain on your liver and is there something else you need to take for that? I understand tamoxifen,clomid and an ai like anastrozole being mentioned in the sticky. But is there something else or is 4 weeks not long enough to cause enough liver damage?

Also, injecting test e pretty much bypasses your liver right? I've never injected anything in my life and really don't like the idea of it but I'll be honest its been getting the best of my curiosity for some time now.
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You could opt out of using an oral if you decided to use a shorter ester (fast acting) of Testosterone. You see, first cycles are usually done with a long ester Testosterone so you only have to inject once a week. But it takes a few weeks for the Testosterone to kick in so people use an oral the first few weeks to get something out of that time. With a short ester, you would find yourself injecting Testosterone everyday or every other day but it would kick in days instead of weeks so there wouldn't be any wasted time.

If your worried about liver strain when taking an oral be sure to drink plenty of water. Try to get a gallon in a day, or close to it. Basically try to keep your urine as clear as possible, that means you are properly hydrated. Also take Milk Thistle and TUDCA. Both are very good for liver health. They prevent inflammation and keep the bile ducts flowing. Also do not drink alcohol, that's an invitation for liver damage when using oral steroids. It can also be an invitation for stupid behavior on steroids. Androgens and booze don't mix, trust me.

As far as oral steroids go, some are more toxic than others. The ones that are the least toxic and least likely to give you any problems are Dianabol, Epistane, Halodrol, Dymethazine, and Turnibol. Turnibol is a very gentle oral in terms of sides and toxicity yet will give you very nice lean gains and little bloat. It's more expensive than Dianabol but it's worth it. As long as you use a reasonable dosage when it comes to orals and don't abuse them, you have nothing to worry about. I have used some very nasty orals myself such as Superdrol, Methyl-1-Testosterone, and Methyldienolone which is Methyltrienolones (one of THE most toxic steroids) little cousin and my liver is fine.

Injecting doesn't bypass the liver. Whatever gets into your blood stream is going tho go through the liver. Think of injectable steroids as putting ice in a grinder; It breaks up over time with little to no difficulty. Now thick of oral steroids as little rocks. It's going to break up, but it's going to take time and put strain on the grinder. There has never been a case of someone having liver problems from injectable steroids. The only injectable steroids that will cause problems are oral steroids suspended in oil for injection. You could run Test E from now until the day you die alongside Equipoise and NPP and you won't have no liver problems.

There is nothing dirty about injecting steroids. It's not like injecting street drugs. You aren't injecting directly into the bloodstream. You are injecting into the muscle, where the steroid suspended in oil will steadily absorb into the surrounding tissue and then into the bloodstream.
 
-Guido- said:
Injecting doesn't bypass the liver. Whatever gets into your blood stream is going tho go through the liver. Think of injectable steroids as putting ice in a grinder; It breaks up over time with little to no difficulty. Now thick of oral steroids as little rocks. It's going to break up, but it's going to take time and put strain on the grinder. There has never been a case of someone having liver problems from injectable steroids. The only injectable steroids that will cause problems are oral steroids suspended in oil for injection. You could run Test E from now until the day you die alongside Equipoise and NPP and you won't have no liver problems.

There is nothing dirty about injecting steroids. It's not like injecting street drugs. You aren't injecting directly into the bloodstream. You are injecting into the muscle, where the steroid suspended in oil will steadily absorb into the surrounding tissue and then into the bloodstream.
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This is fucking insightful, thank you.
 
Question regarding NPP guido or whomever else knows anything about it, I've recently aquired a new source (with everything under the fucking sun available) and I've 6 weeks left of a cycle of test. I know NPP is deca with a short ester and I know deca bloats but is this also true with NPP with the shorter pp ester? Would It be worth adding into the last 6 weeks of my cycle or would this just make recovery harder?
 
nolys said:
Question regarding NPP guido or whomever else knows anything about it, I've recently aquired a new source (with everything under the fucking sun available) and I've 6 weeks left of a cycle of test. I know NPP is deca with a short ester and I know deca bloats but is this also true with NPP with the shorter pp ester? Would It be worth adding into the last 6 weeks of my cycle or would this just make recovery harder?
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Forget a 19-nor, especially near the end of your cycle...
 
Ah thanks Guido, good info there. Is money the main reason why people run test in cycles, as you said you could run it every day and I know that people that use it as hormone replacement therapy run it every day for years.
 
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nolys said:
Why would this be mate? Just give me the short answer if you can, a lot of people use tren a at the end of a cycle which is also a 19-nor so why not deca?
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Approaching the end of cycle your main objective is correct PCT, knocking out natural test production by as much as 100% with Deca doesn't seem prudent when your emphasis will shortly be to kick-start test production.... IMO..
If anything, I might be inclined to taper down rather than increase...
 
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