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Psychedelics Question about Ego Death

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So, what is it like?
Also, is it a bit of a misnomer in that it's just what a given experience is called, or do you actually end up in a state where you are just superego and id? And if so, does one overpower the over? Like, could the mental part of Altered States happen? Y'know where the guy does so many psychedelics combined with sensory-deprivation that he experiences complete ego death and essentially the id completely takes over? (obviously, I don't mean could someone literally de-evolve, or physically devolve).

I'm SO curious, but too scared to try it (Ego Death) for myself.
 
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I just literally feel like I'm dying. Fucking scary. I'd say there's levels of it. 5-MeO-DMT was the most uncomfortable imo. After the death part I get amazing euphoria. Death and rebirth.
 
i think if you can be aware enough to feel like you are dying then it's not actually ego death. not actually sure of your experience though and it could be different things to different people... i get to points where i don't even realize that i'm a person that can die. i'm just like colors and shapes or light. i have no idea what death is. i have literally zero recollection of reality.
 
I feel like 'ego death' is a fairly accurate term. It's as if you don't have an ego, a 'you/me' anymore. You feel yourself becoming part of the world/universe at large or sometimes become an object (I became a rug one time, was quite interesting and pleasurable being so... inanimate) and the self no longer has any concern or even really meaning to you. The in-between stage before your ego dies though is the scary part, where the 'you/me' is fighting like hell to stay inside you and the drug is pushing it out at what feels like 200mph. When the ego is finally suppressed you feel serene, calm, even excitable.

And at that point you can relate to anything/everything/nothing in a completely objective manner. It is definitely the state where the most profound moments occur of a psychedelic.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I feel like 'ego death' is a fairly accurate term. It's as if you don't have an ego, a 'you/me' anymore. You feel yourself becoming part of the world/universe at large or sometimes become an object (I became a rug one time, was quite interesting and pleasurable being so... inanimate) and the self no longer has any concern or even really meaning to you. The in-between stage before your ego dies though is the scary part, where the 'you/me' is fighting like hell to stay inside you and the drug is pushing it out at what feels like 200mph. When the ego is finally suppressed you feel serene, calm, even excitable.
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Yeah, you have fried your brain
 
Jnowhere said:
Yeah, you have fried your brain
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No, I'm quite certain that my brain is quite alright. I still find myself feeling like the smartest person in the room far too often for my liking.




I recall on my very first acid trip the anticipation and loss of ego was so jarring. And it still is every time it happens. But it isn't as bad as people might think it is (at least with lysergimides, I've had mushrooms tear me apart the first bit so many times) and is worth experiencing if you're willing to face your fears. I mean, I have a terrible fear of deep water and heights but I don't let that stop me from cliff diving into such a literal place. Sure I'll be the last one off the cliff and first back on the boat, but I don't feel life is worth living in fear. Confront your fears and make them your bitch.
 
I have experienced ego death more taken a few times on shrooms but i have trouble remembering it to be honest. Its been ages since i had a ego death level trip. I dont remember it as being scary though
 
On DPT I felt half out like my spirit was leaking out a hole in my forehead. On DXM I ended up in some kind of system of rollers like cylinders. Propylene glycol poisoning made dimensions collide, was transported to riots in different parts of the world, machines in the walls, laser cops and helicopters. It was a whole thing. Had to go to the hospital twice.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
No, I'm quite certain that my brain is quite alright. I still find myself feeling like the smartest person in the room far too often for my liking.




I recall on my very first acid trip the anticipation and loss of ego was so jarring. And it still is every time it happens. But it isn't as bad as people might think it is (at least with lysergimides, I've had mushrooms tear me apart the first bit so many times) and is worth experiencing if you're willing to face your fears. I mean, I have a terrible fear of deep water and heights but I don't let that stop me from cliff diving into such a literal place. Sure I'll be the last one off the cliff and first back on the boat, but I don't feel life is worth living in fear. Confront your fears and make them your bitch.
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Loosing the ego which is balances the ID, super ego and reality
Loosing that to the id which is primal wants and impulsive desires, the superego, which is the morality part of the mind; loosing the balance is potentially very dangerous. The ego keeps them in balance. Also recognizes reality
Smartest person in the room; delusions of grandeur. Or maybe you are right; then again psychologically speaking psychedelics ruin minds, while giving the person the false belief that they are now more enlightened.🫠
The id, ego, and super ego need to be balanced and a healthy mind needs all three components to work properly. The ego strikes a balance and looks at reality. Losing control of reality along with nothing to balance the id and super ego, is one way to possibly be the smartest person on your unit at the state mental hospital.
Take enough psychedelics, who knows you may start to think you are the smartest person who ever lived.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
So, what is it like?
Also, is it a bit of a misnomer in that it's just what a given experience is called, or do you actually end up in a state where you are just superego and id? And if so, does one overpower the over? Like, could the mental part of Altered States happen? Y'know where the guy does so many psychedelics combined with sensory-deprivation that he experiences complete ego death and essentially the id completely takes over? (obviously, I don't mean could someone literally de-evolve, or physically devolve).

I'm SO curious, but too scared to try it (Ego Death) for myself.
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The ego balances the id and super ego.
Also it is their to help with reality. Ego death; how do feel about really long stays at the NHS mental institutions?
 
Jnowhere said:
then again psychologically speaking psychedelics ruin minds, while giving the person the false belief that they are now more enlightened.
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I'm far from being anywhere near some hippy who thinks he controls or even comes close to understanding the universe dude. I just meant that it is often that I have people asking me to dumb down my language so they can understand me because the education system here is such crap. Sheesh.

And by ego, I just mean the identity of the self; if losing said individuality makes you dangerous to yourself or others then you probably need to be in a psych ward, sober or otherwise. I work with the criminally insane and I know the edges of sanity very well.
 
paranoid android said:
Why would someone go to a psych ward when a benzo will stop any trip?
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i don't think this is true for all people. even if it actually changes the brain chemicals to stop a trip, i think some people can get dellusional to the point where the drugs won't actually be what's causing them to be insane, their mind is just in some weird thought loop, so even if the benzos calm a person down, it doesn't always stop a person from being dellusional. i'm not saying that they don't help or work for some people though.

if a person is at the point of complete ego loss too, they might not actually be aware that they have pills to take that can help them come down. it's easy to forget about stuff like that from reality if you get to a certain point with tripping.
 
foodcrisis said:
i don't think this is true for all people. even if it actually changes the brain chemicals to stop a trip, i think some people can get dellusional to the point where the drugs won't actually be what's causing them to be insane, their mind is just in some weird thought loop, so even if the benzos calm a person down, it doesn't always stop a person from being dellusional. i'm not saying that they don't help or work for some people though.

if a person is at the point of complete ego loss too, they might not actually be aware that they have pills to take that can help them come down. it's easy to forget about stuff like that from reality if you get to a certain point with tripping
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I have never had a trouble stoppping a trip witIh a benzo or even z drug. If that somehow didnt work a dose of zyprexa IM would work.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I feel like 'ego death' is a fairly accurate term. It's as if you don't have an ego, a 'you/me' anymore. You feel yourself becoming part of the world/universe at large or sometimes become an object (I became a rug one time, was quite interesting and pleasurable being so... inanimate) and the self no longer has any concern or even really meaning to you. The in-between stage before your ego dies though is the scary part, where the 'you/me' is fighting like hell to stay inside you and the drug is pushing it out at what feels like 200mph. When the ego is finally suppressed you feel serene, calm, even excitable.

And at that point you can relate to anything/everything/nothing in a completely objective manner. It is definitely the state where the most profound moments occur of a psychedelic
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this is really nicely put man.

"you have fried your brain" is a little simplistic and sounds like the hyperbolic, somewhat ignorant fear-mongering of 80s anti-drug propaganda.

alasdair
 
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