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Question about cocaine and lidocaine.

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Nigel31

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Hi !

I've already posted this message in the 'Other drugs' forum, and someone told me I could meet in this forum someone who could help me. So thank your for your help.

"Hi,

I beg your pardon for my awful english (I'm a french guy!).

I'm nowadays on a research in science for my professionnal work. I'm a student doctor in pharmacology.

My work is to focus on cocaine and the way users and dealers use to cut it to make more money from it.

My question is very simple, and does not involve you into a dealer nor a consumer, and your response will be kept secret, it is just very important for my understanding of how things work in the world of drugs... so, I'd like to know how do the dealers (or consumers) do to get sufficient amount of lidocaine to cut cocaine with. Does it come by plane from another country? Is it ordered by internet? Is it stolen? Do you buy it under a 'liquid' form, or in powder form? The only thing that interest me is the 'lidocaine' side of cocaine-consumption!

I'm really interested in your answer, and if you have no idea in it, I'd really appreciate if you could connect me with someone who could help me.

Awaiting your answer, I thank you all again very much.

Jean-Yves
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Well, I have no business with cocaine since I dislike that crap and can't see why so many peple are selling their life for it.

Anyway it is widely known that apart from lidocaine, cocaine is frequently cut with chalk, sometimes even talcum and that's disgusting. Lidocaine is a good additive to the cutting because it heightens the anesthetic feeling when people taste it, making it look like really good coke but honestly I don't know they add, probably a very small amount.

After just typing lidocaine on Wikipedia....I realized that it is a very simple to make actually
Synthesis posted on wiki:
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The precursors aren't hard to find even for someone with very few contacts, so it could be an hypothesis that it is also made by the big drugs organization.
The second most probable way for them to get their hand on lidocaine is identical to the same way people get ketamine (at least here in Italy where controls are not strict enough) so basically you make a deal with a veterinarian (or even doctor) to pass you some bottle of ketamine or lidocaine for a price.
Stealing it from anywhere is way to risky for something that is not worth the risk.
Probably it can be found in the internet but again they don't sell out anesthetics like potatoes so you will need a contact or steal someone's ID in order to purchase it and then there's the problem of shipping many times these kind of shipments are monitored till they get to destination and obviously not your house or you're dumb as a coconut!

Hope that helps.

Ciao
 
Google mostly turns up ointments and solutions and such. Wouldn't think extracting it would be to hard. Saw one place in China selling a 25 kg drum. Now if I just had a hundred kilos of coke in need of cutting.
 
I know someone who has a script for lidocaine patches. Not exactly sure why your studying this, why exactly do you want to find this out? I'm not sure the amount of the patches, but I suspose taking a ton of them, doing an extraction to remove just the lidocaine, then evaporating so you have just straight lidocaine would work fine, however, I have no idea what that would yield in weight, or mass.

Seems more like a drug enforcement homework assignment, than a pharmacology students homework, but w/e.
 
Thank you all for your answers.

In the last post, I read 'lidocaine patches'.. what do you mean? Something that is stuck on the skin to deliver lidocaine through it? The lidocaine is in a gelly form, in that way, no?

To answer about my work, I'm studying the toxicity of cocaine and lidocaine taken together... and one point of lack in my researches is where swiy can get 1 ton of lidocaine by example. It sounds amazing to me, that works on a daily basis with 10 ml bottles of 20mg/ml of lidocaine to get such a great weigh of lidocaine.

I'm really not interested in how to cut it, I just wonder where is it possible to have that, or if it's possible to do that 'at home' : because whereas cocaine comes 'relatively' pure in Netherlands or Spain, in France, recent analysis have shown 94% lidocaine in cocaine samples. So, the cutting is just before the consumer I think.

Thank you all for helping me!
 
Nigel31 said:
Thank you all for your answers.

In the last post, I read 'lidocaine patches'.. what do you mean? Something that is stuck on the skin to deliver lidocaine through it? The lidocaine is in a gelly form, in that way, no?

To answer about my work, I'm studying the toxicity of cocaine and lidocaine taken together... and one point of lack in my researches is where swiy can get 1 ton of lidocaine by example. It sounds amazing to me, that works on a daily basis with 10 ml bottles of 20mg/ml of lidocaine to get such a great weigh of lidocaine.

I'm really not interested in how to cut it, I just wonder where is it possible to have that, or if it's possible to do that 'at home' : because whereas cocaine comes 'relatively' pure in Netherlands or Spain, in France, recent analysis have shown 94% lidocaine in cocaine samples. So, the cutting is just before the consumer I think.

Thank you all for helping me!
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I'm assuming they are the same as fentynl patches, a gel type solution that is absorbed at a constant rate into the skin.
 
Yes. I've checked by Google : Lidoderm by example...

But a patch contains 665 mg of lidocaine... which is not so high, I think... For someone who's got 25 kg of lidocaine powder at home, it represents many many patches ! :D
 
/navarone/ said:
... apart from lidocaine, cocaine is frequently cut with chalk, sometimes even talcum and that's disgusting. Lidocaine is a good additive to the cutting because it heightens the anesthetic feeling when people taste it, making it look like really good coke
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Sorry to strongly disagree! Only greeder dealers are better off with lidocaine in the coke than chalk or talcum. Chalk or talcum (or alumina) are inert cuts. They are insoluble and can readily be filtered out. Lidocaine dissolves and who needs to be aneasthetized? I would venture to say that the best coke outside SA is often coke cut with (only) such insoluble cuts. It may not look good when you dissolve it in water but you may at least be sure that what dissolves is coke. Coke cut with insoluble cuts can be filtered and injected while coke with lidocaine has to be injected with lidocaine, which cannot be good for health.

Besides, posts inquiring about how to use lidocaine are very often posts by posters who want to know how to cut their coke. I think the original poster also has some coke to cut.
 
I'd assume any large drug trafficking organization (DTO) that wishes to use large quantities of lidocaine as a cut would simply open a front company which would make products such as burn ointments and toothache cream that require the purchase of large quantities of lidocaine and divert a portion of the lidocaine to their illicit drug sales and use the business to launder money as well.
 
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