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Question about chemical names/abbreviation. (4AcODiPT and 5MeOaMT)

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I ordered 4AcoDiPT from a respected source. Please consider I have no chemical background.

Chemical name says:

3-[2-[bis(1-methylethyl)amino]ethyl]-1H-Indol-4-ol acetate . This is supposed to be 4AcO-DiPT, right ?

Because it (especially the methyl-ethyl-part) looked a lot like 4xx-MET, I double checked and it appears the chemical name for 4AcOMET is:

3-(2-Ethyl(methyl)aminoethyl)-1H-indol-4-yl acetate

The only difference I see is the "bis" added. Can anyone explain in laymans terms why the name is so similar ?

Especially because:

4HODiPT is 3-[2-(diisopropylamino)ethyl]-1H-indol-4-ol . Here I can see the "Di-Iso-Propyl" part in the name.

4HOMET is 3-(2-(ethyl(methyl)amino)ethyl)-1H-indol-4-ol. Here I can also see the "Ethyl-Methyl" part.

So with the 4HO compounds the names are so obviously diffferent, but not with 4AcO compounds ?

So my question is, the compound I have: 3-[2-[bis(1-methylethyl)amino]ethyl]-1H-Indol-4-ol acetate is 4AcODiPT, right ?
CAS on the bag is 936015-60-0, also indicating it would be 4AcODiPT. I guess I'm looking for someone to explain how they use these chemical names ?

Second part:

I also ordered 5MeOaMT. Name on the bag: 1-(5-methoxy-1H-indol-3-yl)propan-2-amine. This is supposed to be 5MeOaMT, right ?
I ordered this before, the CAS is supposed to be 1137-04-8. But now the CAS on the bag says: 34736-04-4.

Quick google search on both these CAS gives it should both be 5MeOaMT ?

So I guess here my question is: do some chemicals have multiple CAS ? Or what's up with this ?

Thanks for your help and sorry for the totally uninteresting post ;)
 
3-[2-[bis(1-methylethyl)amino]ethyl]-1H-Indol-4-ol acetate
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Yes, this is 4-Acetoxy-DiPT.

Bis is a prefixed used in substitution for di-.

I haven't learned all about IUPAC nomenclature yet, but from the looks of it, the only differences are on the nitrogen.

In 4-Acetoxy-MET, there is a methyl group and an ethyl group on the nitrogen.

In 4-Acetoxy-DiPT, there are two methylethyl groups on the nitrogen instead.

The only other difference I can see is the double bonded oxygen and single bonded carbon have switched places on the acetoxy group, but I'm not sure what significance that has.

EDIT: Not sure about the CAS numbers though, I know what they are basically used for but I have no idea about anything else concerning them.
 
CAS numbers are basically a catalogue of chemicals, including elements and isotopes and ions and basically everything you will ever come across in chemistry which isn't completely novel. They're all unique and have no system to determine a compound other than a number to look up in a database.

Your 2nd 5-MeO-AMT CAS (347xx...) looks like it is the HCL version, while the first (1137...) is the freebase.
Having said that, I can't back it up properly. Some databases are saying HCL some aren't.

"In 4-Acetoxy-MET, there is a methyl group and an ethyl group on the nitrogen.

In 4-Acetoxy-DiPT, there are two methylethyl groups on the nitrogen instead." from ^ is the real difference between the 2 compounds.

The difference between HO and AcO is that AcO is the ethanoic ester of the HO (also known as acetoic/acetate).
Unfortunately you can still have multiple IUPAC names for one compound, depending on your use of chemicular terms, ie. diisopropyl vs di methyl ethyl. It's essentially a propane bonded to the N by the middle carbon and can be named either way, although there is probably a way of distinguishing/determining somehow that I haven't came across yet.

The use of bis is to remove ambiguity (diphosphate X vs bisphospate X) was the example I was given in college. bis is 2 phosphate groups bonded but di is a biphosphate group, as in 2 phospho's joined together P-X-P vs P-P-X.
 
Is that you, Walter White ? ;)

That's pretty comprehensive, even for me. Thanks both!

For sake of discussion/completeness - About the 5MeOaMT:

CAS 34736-04-4 is in powder form.
CAS 1137-04-8 was in blotter form.
 
Since this is not really a basic question, I'm going to move it, I guess I'll send it to Other Drugs, since I know some people who know a lot about this kind of stuff frequent OD, even those the specific drugs you are asking about might be better covered in PD, you're just asking what the chemical names mean. But the OD mods can feel free to move it if they wish :)

BDD -> OD?
 
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