Putting 3-meo-pcp into a solution

[programmed killer]

I'm a long time lurker but have never posted until now. First I'd like to thank this site for helping me over the years.

Now, my problem is that I no longer have access to a scale. I know, I know. I should just buy one. But I will never need it again, and I'd like a liquid solution for dosing on the go anyway. Plus, I am admittedly impatient and would love to be able to accurately dose before I will be able to purchase a scale.

I've read all I could about 3-meo-pcp solubility. I have water, isopropyl alcohol, and vegetable oil on hand as possible solvents. Most people have said their product is soluble in water. Perhaps depending on whether its the hcl salt or not? How would I test if mine is? Just by dropping a little bit in water, stirring, and seeing if it disappears? But I'd need to store this long term since I'd be putting a gram in. Can this be done safely? I don't have benzyl alcohol or anything like that. Would it mix into tap water, with the chlorine keeping it sterile?

Isopropyl alcohol is obviously toxic, but what if I concentrated it enough that I only needed a few drops? Is this even a reliable way to measure volume? Do we know exactly how many mL a drop of isopropyl alcohol is?

What about vegetable oil? Would it be soluble?

 

[isthisincognito]

Now, my problem is that I no longer have access to a scale. I know, I know. I should just buy one.

Scales are cheap, a worthy investment - Even if you don't want to weigh out your dose, you need to know your starting measurements for volumetric dosing. I.E. You believe you have 250mg of 3-meo-pcp but in actual fact you have 280mg, dividing it into ten doses will give you 28mg whilst you believe the dose is 25mg. I'd recommend a cheap scale at least.

I've read all I could about 3-meo-pcp solubility. I have water, isopropyl alcohol, and vegetable oil on hand as possible solvents. Most people have said their product is soluble in water.

All the 3-meo-pcp I've ever encountered is water soluble, It takes a few minutes of agitation to get it to dissolve however, so be patient. As you said, isopropyl is toxic and vegetable oil will go rancid over time.

Would it mix into tap water, with the chlorine keeping it sterile?

If the water is sealed it should keep. However every time I've kept water bottled for more than three days or so, it tastes foul - So I wouldn't trust this.

Is this even a reliable way to measure volume? Do we know exactly how many mL a drop of isopropyl alcohol is?

Buy a syringe, they cost pence on ebay, and will allow you to measure out ml's.

I'm guessing by the sounds of the post you don't intend to inject at all?

 

[Solipsis]

Buy a scale. 3-MeO-PCP is really serious shit even when measured properly. Absolutely wait until your scale arrives.

Isopropyl alcohol is not really toxic, I think it's less toxic than normal alcohol... you turn it into acetone which you partially exhale via breath. Nasty but not really toxic in reasonable amounts.
But no it's still not ideal as a solvent.

I just dissolved my 3-MeO-PCX in water, you shouldn't make a concentrated solution anyway. Or well, depends on the use, for IM injection I have 10 mg/ml solution and usually do 4-6 mg shots.

If it is not the salt, you can add a tiny bit of a pure acid to turn it from freebase into salt and dissolve in water anyway.

Tap water spoils, I don't think the chlorine is enough no. But the amount they put in water highly depends on where you live. There is virtually none or entirely none in the water where I live (best tap water in the world yay). Never tasted any.

Use 15-20% alcohol if you are not making a sterile solution. By combining vodka and water 50-50.
But I guess don't make the solution too dilute, you don't want to have to ingest too much alcohol.

Is the whole point liquid measurement? Just buy a mg scale, they are cheap as shit. End of discussion really (No thread stays open don't worry, I'm just saying).

 

[programmed killer]

Yeah I also like the idea of just preparing a solution and being able to dose discretely on the go, without having anything incriminating on me. I have dosage cups that measure mL, so I was thinking of making a really weak solution. Like 1 mg / mL of water.

So I guess now my only issue is storing it for a year or longer. I know a cool dark place is important. Sterilizing to begin with is important. If I bleach the container, boil the water, and quickly seal it back up after measuring my dose, will it be okay? I will be starting a strong course of antibiotics soon anyway for Lyme disease, so that might help.

Oh and no, I don't intend to inject. Oral and sublingual only.

And I did mange to weigh it back when I had access to a scale, so I'm starting with a known quantity.

 

[Solipsis]

No, sterilizing to begin with and keeping it so is the strategy for a closed off vial meant for injection.

For oral use, just clean everything normally , really not necessary with bleach! And preserve with a minimum of 20% alcohol, use vodka or gin or something similarly clear and relatively unadulterated, the volumes should be small so there is absolutely no problem with using alcohol. And it is MUCH more realistic than "quickly sealing back up". There is no quickly sealing, it will contaminate again before you know it. It is just as useless as the 5-second rule when you drop something on the floor. If you want to keep something truly sterile a rubber stopper injection vial is basically the way to go.

Never mind anti-biotics really, there is no need to inappropriately use desinfectant measures, even if you like certain ideas.

When you clean everything just by normal washing with water, you only keep ungerminated 'spores' and bacteria. They are fine, they exist all around us and and our bodies are built to handle virtually most of them. The preservative (alcohol) keeps against actual germination of them into colonies (patches and blotches of bacteria and fungi that are both too much and too virulent for our bodies to handle and contain other chemicals).
So for oral use you don't have to sterilize and kill the spores. Plenty or all of food we eat contains them, they fly around in the air everywhere you go except in high level labs, we ingest many of them in a single second. We just can't see them. They are like tiny seeds. They are harmless if they are not allowed to grow into something so don't worry about them.

 

[programmed killer]

Wow thanks for the thorough and informative response. This is why I love this place. I will do just that. Thanks again.

 

[Solipsis]

Good luck

Be careful with 3-MeO-PCP, it's potent and crazy stuff! Several (experienced) people have run into severe trouble with it... it's not really forgiving if you don't treat it with care and keep your doses and redoses reasonable.

 

[isthisincognito]

Good luck

Be careful with 3-MeO-PCP, it's potent and crazy stuff! Several (experienced) people have run into severe trouble with it... it's not really forgiving if you don't treat it with care and keep your doses and redoses reasonable.

I'll re-iterate that point. It's easy to get lost with it, I've had some issues with it, more so than with mxe/k/4-meo - Mostly due to unintentional redosing and access to benzos.