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Punk Fuckin Rock
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SKL
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^ fuck yeah
in another thread I was talking with axl about whether punk rock was primarily about image our loud/fast/simplistic musicoogy or whatever and I cited Suicide ("2 puerto ricans and a drum machine") as a prime example of the sine qua non of punk being image and a sort of nihilism as I refer to above.
you & me sj like the old shit but we knew that
the pere ubu version is fucking amazing too:
amazing that they can go from that to oh catherine on SNL [1]
which is a great song on it's on merits
but perhaps disputably punkish
raising their own money to go on snl is DIYish as fuck anyway
but whatever it is it is a great pop song [2]
in another thread I was talking with axl about whether punk rock was primarily about image our loud/fast/simplistic musicoogy or whatever and I cited Suicide ("2 puerto ricans and a drum machine") as a prime example of the sine qua non of punk being image and a sort of nihilism as I refer to above.
you & me sj like the old shit but we knew that
the pere ubu version is fucking amazing too:
amazing that they can go from that to oh catherine on SNL [1]
which is a great song on it's on merits
but perhaps disputably punkish
raising their own money to go on snl is DIYish as fuck anyway
but whatever it is it is a great pop song [2]
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consumer
Bluelighter
Awesome band! Seen them live 3 times and they fucking killed it.
Fuckin' a.
Goddamn yes.
And punk rock to me is about attitude more than some sound thing.
I hate the "genre" of punk rock; the cliches, the conformity. Sure, i love the intensity and energy of a lot of the punk bands that play super-fast and aggressive.
Yet to me, this is more punk than most of the shit people associate the term "punk" these days:
[video=youtube_share;TknY89kECq0]http://youtu.be/TknY89kECq0[/video]
and so is this:
[video=youtube_share;B_exvKnrK6g]http://youtu.be/B_exvKnrK6g[/video]
I think the best punk rock bands were those that resented ever being lumped with the "punk" label at all.
And of course, the stuff that was around in the decade or so before the term "before punk" rock was coined.
Iggy and the fucking Stooges, man. Some of the first punks were hippies. Hippies gone wrong, in the best possible way. The MC5; Wayne Kramer and Fred 'Sonic' Smith were fucking punks.
And then of course you have the Velvet Undergound.
Punk's roots run real deep.
But it's a way of playing music - not a style of music. At least that's what i think.
mal3volent
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[video=youtube_share;O7CwP65BXbo]http://youtu.be/O7CwP65BXbo[/video]
Yeah, agreed.
Also, using that particular expression another funny contradiction that exists in the false dichotomy between "hippies" and "punks".
To me, most Western post-WWII youth subcultures are essentially the same thing, dressed up differently;
-music
-drugs
-clothes
-rejection of (some) bourgeois values - though this applies to some more than others.
Whether it's ravers, hippies, goths, punks, mods, skinheads, teddy boys etc etc - the interests are often virtually identical (yet aesthetically different) - and the ideology (if any) behind each might be deliberately opposed to the subcultures that came before - with different sets of influences....
But to me, countercultures that are perceived to be diametrically opposed to one another (punks and hippies, for instance) have a shitload more in common than either bunch would want to admit.
I have a strange tendency to be acccused of being a punk (among hippiess) and a hippie (by some punks).
It's silly, but funny.
I just like energy and good music. And cool clothes...and drugs. %)
But some of the icons of the "hippie" era were fucking punk.
And lots of "punks" were disaffected flower-children.
Then you have those that fit neither category, but share the spirit and rebellious nature of each.
Labels are annoying - and "doing your own thing" is something we can all do.
No uniforms, no cliches, no tribalistic stereotypes. I just wanna dance to good music in good company....preferably in a snappy outfit, on good drugs
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THE_REAL_OBLIVION
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No Punk (including all varieties) thread ? I'll go ahead
When I got into metal thanks to Slayer's Undisputed Attitude cover album of hardcore punk and punk rock songs from the 80's, when they made some of my favourite band's 3 best songs imo (the 3 Minor Threat covers and the solo bridge that's actually amazing and the pure bluntness of Bostaph's snare made Filler+I Don't Wanna Hear It one of the best things I heard in my life still (how did they know? I think I would have enjoyed the company of Jeff just by seeing that old pic of him on his knees with just hardcore punk 7 inches and LP's on the ground in front of him, circa 87....when someone has Cause For Alarm's self titled EP I know I can relate).
But I never spat back on punk once I got solidly into thrash and early death metal. I went through my rather massive collection and I put in Good Riddance's rarities album, and holy shit I forgot how much I loved their melodic hardcore punk, they did it perfectly, at least from 95 to 2001, they reformed and released an album 2 years ago "Piece in Our Time"...I listened to it and it's like a, fuck it, we'll make a pure hardcore punk album 80's style it's pretty good but not as good as that era from them. I'll start with this song from them, I got a large collection and this is just one song that came into my head and I had to play it to get it out of my head. I hope I ain't alone in enjoying punk from 77 to even now..the good releases are by bands established since before the year 2000 for the most part, but some bands formed in the 2000's are fucking amazing and not going through that over-done moshcore stuff, bands like Paint It Black with the singer from Kid Dynamite and Lifetime back in the 80's and early 90's is one band worth getting all of their stuff, although they haven't released anything since 2013, I hope they haven't broken up.
Anyway, Good Riddance - 21 Guns
That band has to be commended for their lyrics too. I hope some people get the conspiracy themed artwork, and not just the joke about the movie from the 70's where they interrupt by going through a gun chase through the studios that faked the moon landings, that dual use oil pumping device/signal tower in the back...let's say them being from Santa Cruz...close to enough that San Jose gives them quite a clear view of strange this (that huge Rosicrucian temple over there. The cover of that rarities and singles albums is great, makes me laugh. Russ and Luke, the most important guys in that band were not pop punk poseurs when they came out, if unaware of them, look at their first album called For God & Country...as provocative as a Dead Kennedys cover art.
When I got into metal thanks to Slayer's Undisputed Attitude cover album of hardcore punk and punk rock songs from the 80's, when they made some of my favourite band's 3 best songs imo (the 3 Minor Threat covers and the solo bridge that's actually amazing and the pure bluntness of Bostaph's snare made Filler+I Don't Wanna Hear It one of the best things I heard in my life still (how did they know? I think I would have enjoyed the company of Jeff just by seeing that old pic of him on his knees with just hardcore punk 7 inches and LP's on the ground in front of him, circa 87....when someone has Cause For Alarm's self titled EP I know I can relate).
But I never spat back on punk once I got solidly into thrash and early death metal. I went through my rather massive collection and I put in Good Riddance's rarities album, and holy shit I forgot how much I loved their melodic hardcore punk, they did it perfectly, at least from 95 to 2001, they reformed and released an album 2 years ago "Piece in Our Time"...I listened to it and it's like a, fuck it, we'll make a pure hardcore punk album 80's style it's pretty good but not as good as that era from them. I'll start with this song from them, I got a large collection and this is just one song that came into my head and I had to play it to get it out of my head. I hope I ain't alone in enjoying punk from 77 to even now..the good releases are by bands established since before the year 2000 for the most part, but some bands formed in the 2000's are fucking amazing and not going through that over-done moshcore stuff, bands like Paint It Black with the singer from Kid Dynamite and Lifetime back in the 80's and early 90's is one band worth getting all of their stuff, although they haven't released anything since 2013, I hope they haven't broken up.
Anyway, Good Riddance - 21 Guns
That band has to be commended for their lyrics too. I hope some people get the conspiracy themed artwork, and not just the joke about the movie from the 70's where they interrupt by going through a gun chase through the studios that faked the moon landings, that dual use oil pumping device/signal tower in the back...let's say them being from Santa Cruz...close to enough that San Jose gives them quite a clear view of strange this (that huge Rosicrucian temple over there. The cover of that rarities and singles albums is great, makes me laugh. Russ and Luke, the most important guys in that band were not pop punk poseurs when they came out, if unaware of them, look at their first album called For God & Country...as provocative as a Dead Kennedys cover art.
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there is a thread on punk rock (whatever that means to people nowadays) - but it's pushed all the way back on page 3.
i can merge this post in with it, and it will bump it back to the front page so people might start posting in it a bit more often...
i can merge this post in with it, and it will bump it back to the front page so people might start posting in it a bit more often...
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
Cool, you do that %)
fabriclondon
Bluelighter
I've been lurking too long...
[video=youtube_share;gEVi0IxC0yM]http://youtu.be/gEVi0IxC0yM[/video]
[video=youtube_share;gEVi0IxC0yM]http://youtu.be/gEVi0IxC0yM[/video]
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
Husker Du, I like their first few releases,after that, what they are really known for, it's nice, not horrible, better than Green Day for sure, but it's not really punk music anymore, just the grandfathers of indie rock.
