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jabbajosh

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Should stupid people be held accountable for their actions?
 
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apparently not : consider george W. bush's legacy to the citizenry. if i had my way i would have him led out and horsefucked in public. that cretin did more damage in 8 years than was thought possible.
 
well, the definition in the legal system for insanity i believe is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

which i do also believe is a bit broad...


i have to ask then; how do we define stupid?
as stupid does?
then how long does one chase and try to define stupid???


seriously.

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sigh*
i have been stooped, and so my-self am now it seems -- stuck to the stump...
 
It's so objective at this point I don't think you'll have a clear enough definition any time soon.

Morality and stupidity is rather interwoven to quite a few, and real rational thought seems such a minority nowadays it's rather discouraging.

I really don't see any hope in eliminating this problem in my lifetime.
 
If I could be unaware of what I was doing and not held accountable or be aware of everything I did and held accountable I reckon I'd prefer the latter. Even though clearly most people are held accountable for their actions despite (to some extent) their level of intelligence.
 
'the action was performed voluntarily and without outside coercion' - impossible unless you are divine or 'know what you are doing'. Also someone once said to me 'you look like you know what you're doing'. Is this the same as 'you know what you're doing'?
 
In modern culture, many seem to me to be heavily influenced by it. If there were a way to over come the conditioning of culture ie. mediation, psychedelics ect. Would those that had overcome those conditions completely be the only ones that could be held responsible for their actions.

Or is over coming the conditioning of culture in itself a condition of culture?
 
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Also someone once said to me 'you look like you know what you're doing'. Is this the same as 'you know what you're doing'?
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depends on the consequence...


one could be smart enough to cheat their way through some sort of training or accreditation, or just know the surface of - but when it came time for 'stupid did'; their action would then become by a set means of social-ethical-acceptability; a burping taste of morals and beliefs which others be subsequent to the reaction of? maybe a/effected even more so then the said stupid-O i dont know but its still very interesting, all the same
 
I think that deliberate ignorance should be punished, but physical stupidity should not. Should we hold the mentally retarded to the same standard legally as we do with healthy adults? Absolutely not.
 
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I think that deliberate ignorance should be punished, but physical stupidity should not. Should we hold the mentally retarded to the same standard legally as we do with healthy adults? Absolutely not.
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But it seems irrelevant cos even healthy adults do stuff they don't mean to. Weather they are drunk or hyper or just plain angry. I really don't know anyone that is capable of being downright malicious. Maybe I'm not running in the right circles.
 
what i've been wondering for a while is "can anyone be blamed for his actions?"

a deaf person can be blamed for being deaf
a poor kid whose dad told to steal to bring money home can't be blamed for stealing
someone stupid can't be blamed for not understanding. it's not his choice to be stupid

where does this stop?

it's not someone's choice to have genes, culture or upbringing that makes him a bully
what about a violent person
a paedophile - most of them have been abused in their infancy. the correlation is huge. how much can they be blamed and how much should the external factors that turned them into criminals be blamed instead?

hitler may not have been more responsible for the brain he had than einstein was for his
 
what i've been wondering for a while is "can anyone be blamed for his actions?"

So I guess we are asking the same thing. I must have skipped the actual question and just read it as a statement. For this, I apologise.
 
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