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Psycholytic vs Psychedelic - Therapeutic Results

f1ct

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Hi,

I U'dTSE, but only briefly. Forgive me if this has been brought up before.

Anyhow. I'm rather familiar with how psychedelics can be used in low-to-moderate doses for introspective purposes, personal, and interpersonal problem-solving, etc. I mean, I get it -- you take an reasonable amount of the drug, your ego gets a bit soft, and you see yourself from a different angle, in a different light, whatever. The perspective shift and novel thoughts allow you to fix things about yourself or come to terms with problems or .. whatever. It's useful, I like it, and wikipedia says that this is (rudimentarily at best, I'm sure -- my background is not in psychology!) referred to as psycholytic psychotherapy.

Well! Let's talk about those big doses.

I had one somewhat recently. And I came out of it feeling so, so much better about my station in life, about my abilities, and about the infinite possibilities that lay before me. I've laid plans, made changes, and generally feel.. freer. Better.

But the experience itself, while at times blissful, was largely confusing. For the most part, I did not think about problems that were happening, there was little self-analysis, and very little of what I would call introspection. It was more of a brutal, ecstatic, blissful, amazing experience of cosmic proportions interspersed with some really weird Freudian psychological concepts that came to be manifested In Living Color As We Speak. (I don't think I talk too much about these in the experience report, and I'd really prefer not to!)

Wikipedia says that this somewhat mirrors the psychedelic approach to psychotherapy.

Where the hell is the therapy in that?

Why do I feel like more issues have been resolved in one fell swoop than in any previous low-dose experience?

This wasn't my first experience of the sort -- I'd tripped *that* hard & harder several times previous and many, many, many times at a lower intensity.

It really knocked my socks off.

So, that's my question: Why does this work? I feel like my subconscious mind and my conscious mind have fallen into alignment where they were previously fighting.

Ruminate quietly and speculate wildly! I'm curious here.
 
I'm quite fond of psycholytic therapy. I find the line between psycholytic and psychedelic to be very thin. I pretty much consider anything under a ++++ to be psycholytic. And it's funny; you can't "try" to to have a ++++. The only ++++'s I've ever had were during psycholytic trips where something happened, I let go and all of a sudden... click... there it came. It's kind of tricky to explain.

I found great benefits from psycholytic experiences with MDMA. The idea is that psycholytic experiences deal with your everyday state of consciousness and psychedelic experiences transcend your everyday state of consciousness. The end result is supposedly that what you learn during psycholytic experiences is more easily integrated and practiced in everyday life but psychedelic experiences of the other side are incompatible with everyday life... or something to that effect.

Why does this work?

I don't know lol :)
 
PepperSocks said it all! ;)

I'd add that psycholytic therapy changes the way you regard reality (optimally starting a 'feedback mechanism'), a "psychedelic" experience (++++) changes the very you - but it cannot be easily (re)produced.

and yes: no one knows how this works but lately there's research being done on those topics again!
 
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