the point is that studies done on pharmaceuticals are often biased, in some cases even downright phony. of course i'm not saying every study is but i think it's important to have an idea how this industry works before putting your faith in doctors and their wonder drugs.
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Psychiatry - a pseudoscience that simply shouldn't exist in today's modern world.
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Captain.Heroin
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Yeah, but that speaks nothing to psychiatry. Can you find something on a psychiatrist like this?
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I'm sorry, but psychiatry has helped me in sooo many fucking ways and for you to diss it and call it a pseudoscience that shouldn't exist is wrong. I would not be alive today if it weren't for my psychiatrist. I thank God everyday for her. What you say is complete bullshit. You obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Read up on some things before you go bashing what save mine and many others lives. Psychiatry makes people with conditions such a depression and schizophrienia bareable. Are you saying that these people should just suffer? This is so fucked up!
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This still isn't good logic. You can't take one case of one doctor faking literature and argue that its a widespread problem.
I am very left-leaning (if you don't recognize my avatar, look into Noam Chomsky, he's my hero) and I agree that corporate interest in many facets of our lives takes precedence over values like human rights. I agree that pharmaceutical companies are looking to maximize profits above other considerations (see me-too drugs, look at money spent on direct-to-consumer advertisements, etc.) but that does not mean that all of psychiatry is worthless.
Companies are copying other profitable drugs so we have redundancy, drugs are pushed onto the market without demonstrating efficacy over other drugs already out and many other abuses, however there is still a lot of sound evidence that psychiatric medications can be very useful and necessary for many people's quality of life.
Lastly, you shouldn't put your "faith" into doctors, drugs, religion, or anything else if you honestly want to seek truth. Look at the available evidence and think critically.
i didn't mean to argue it was a widespread problem. i am in agreement with most of what you say, although in my opinion, the harm that psychiatrists do far out weighs the good. of course that doesn't mean they don't help some people a great deal.
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Holy shit this is a hot topic!! If i may add my 2cents... The other day when I was at the hospital, I went out to smoke out of my stabbed lung...lol...and there was a very nice lady there who gave me a cig. I started talking to her and it turns out she was in the mental part of the hospital. She said, I thought I could stop taking my drugs, and I went fucking totally bonkers for a week. She gave me some examples of the crazy shit she did, which I forget, but it was crazy as fuck. She didnt sleep barely at all in a whole week. SOmeone noticed how crazy she was and drove her to the hospital. She said she would never stop taking her meds again.
I think that shows that some people really do need their meds. She was hallucinating. Talking to people who werent there.... But when I saw her(a week after she was at the hospital, on her meds) she seemed fine.
Theres controlling assholes everywhere and unfortunatly these doctors don't have anybody in the know how to discount their "knowledge."
So it has its ups and its downs I guess. I just wonder how skitzos got by in the past?
I think that shows that some people really do need their meds. She was hallucinating. Talking to people who werent there.... But when I saw her(a week after she was at the hospital, on her meds) she seemed fine.
Theres controlling assholes everywhere and unfortunatly these doctors don't have anybody in the know how to discount their "knowledge."
So it has its ups and its downs I guess. I just wonder how skitzos got by in the past?
Cane2theLeft
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How many times do I have to criticize the sweeping generalizations before you stop making them or provide sufficient data to back them up?
If psychiatrists do IN FACT more harm then good, then there is evidence. Let's see it.
She may have been Bipolar I. The manic state of that presents pretty much as you described :/
In the past? Oh, it would have been a blast. Insulin Shock Therapy... Lobotomy... lifetime institutionalisation
BTW, I see the argument that psychiatry is a "pseudoscience" to be extremely weak. Science is based on the study and understanding of cause and effect, and the publication of independently reproducible results. This practice exists nowadays in the pharmacological treatment of MI. The results may not always be mature, but there are no other viable options. For example, in my case:
- no treatment at all --> suicide, or death through misadventure
- self-medication --> downstream health issues; legal issues; uncontrolled/inconsistent management
- historical treatment methods --> effective end of worthwhile life (as I touch upon above)
A good analogy is to look at the understanding of Diabetes 100 years ago. There were suspicions as to the causative factors, but Insulin had not yet been identified. We're probably around the same point right now with the understanding and treatment of Depression. Simply criticising the current treatment regimes is useless without a meaningful and viable alternative being put forth.
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Draigan
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Uhfukingreed dtta. I ment pre psychiatry. Like say 700 years ago.
I also think your argument is extremely weak. weak... (not u dtta)but only cuz u have over expanded yourself. u make good points. when u gonna write something about the facts and then if your going to make a subjective statement, u gotta say its my opinion blah blah blah.
Even if the harm does outweigh the good, does that mean they should stop psychiatry? Serial?
I also think your argument is extremely weak. weak... (not u dtta)but only cuz u have over expanded yourself. u make good points. when u gonna write something about the facts and then if your going to make a subjective statement, u gotta say its my opinion blah blah blah.
Even if the harm does outweigh the good, does that mean they should stop psychiatry? Serial?
Draigan
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are adept and inept practitioners in all fields, psychiatry being no exception. That is why if one does not have a psychiatrist with whom one does not have rapport, one cannot be effectively understood. It is more of a reciprocal relationship requiring receptiveness to advice, as any of us who have benefited from psychiatric treatment in any substantial capacity would advise. It's obvious who those are as far as the participants in this thread are concerned. Let's all keep getting better - haters gonna hate, etc.
cool.
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I just want to put out a reminder to everyone-
We ask that you while you discuss you are polite and understanding of other peoples opinions, views, and disorders. (Whether you agree with them or not)
This is a very interesting discussion-
I understand how passionate you can be when discussing such a sensitive subject- but being passionate does not mean putting other people and their opinions down.
We ask that you while you discuss you are polite and understanding of other peoples opinions, views, and disorders. (Whether you agree with them or not)
This is a very interesting discussion-
I understand how passionate you can be when discussing such a sensitive subject- but being passionate does not mean putting other people and their opinions down.
Captain.Heroin
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Well put Cane!
If psychiatrists harm people, their patients can sue them. This is the reason why we have a legal system. This really doesn't happen as often as people make it out to be.
They were often demonized in society. There's a history about mental health that is less positive than it is now, but there's really no need to bring it up in this thread IMO.
Draigan
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I dont see how u can sue a psychiatrist for harming u. Like what type of harm are we talking here? They have the right to hold u. Especially if u get angry at them for not letting u go. Then if u get really frustrated and start expressing yourself by yelling, they can inject u with drugs that very well might harm u. Now thats just my rough idea of it anyway...
They could also cause harm by being careless idiots and prescribing some drug that makes u into a nutcase. I doubt u could sue for that. Maybe?
I knew a lady who got forced to have electro shock therapy... But more harm than good? come on.... I dunno?
I think u gota be a fucking wack job to become a psychiatrist though lol so what the hell do I know?
I think instead of mental institutions we should have love institutions.
Its a giant place where people who are well take care of people who are sick, and because we treat the sick people with such respect and love constantly, they in turn become more lovely and positive. We ofcourse can use certain drugs for very specific reasons once in a while.
Same with prison. I think prison should be love island... lol i know thats so counter intuitive...
They could also cause harm by being careless idiots and prescribing some drug that makes u into a nutcase. I doubt u could sue for that. Maybe?
I knew a lady who got forced to have electro shock therapy... But more harm than good? come on.... I dunno?
I think u gota be a fucking wack job to become a psychiatrist though lol so what the hell do I know?
I think instead of mental institutions we should have love institutions.
Its a giant place where people who are well take care of people who are sick, and because we treat the sick people with such respect and love constantly, they in turn become more lovely and positive. We ofcourse can use certain drugs for very specific reasons once in a while.
Same with prison. I think prison should be love island... lol i know thats so counter intuitive...
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Do I hear the pot calling the kettle black? 8)
You asked me to provide evidence to back up my claims (which I did), and now you're the one making baseless assumptions! What lead you to the conclusion that psychiatrists do more harm than good, and do you have anything to actually support that?
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Psychiatrists have no right to hold you unless you are an immediate danger to yourself or others. You're right - your idea was very rough. And sure, there can be bad side effects from certain medications, but I've never heard of anyone turning into a "nutcase" from them.
Captain.Heroin
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You often have to be retaught how to speak properly, walk properly, talk properly, and how to use the bathroom.
ECT is a lats resort, and should not be forced on anyone unless they have tried everything and are losing the battle on suicidal depression, etc. Even then, I think forcing ECT on someone is torturous, but it would be a hard call to make if you honestly cared about someone getting recovery.
Gender separated love islands? A whole new age of homosexuality would be ushered in. I can see it now.
To be honest it would be more productive than prisons are now.
$10,000 for 1 prisoner per year, what a waste of money.
Draigan
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They could just say u are a danger to yourself sweet p. Theres nobody around to detest that...
nah fuck why gender separate. This is love island were talking here. Rehab for lost souls.
nah fuck why gender separate. This is love island were talking here. Rehab for lost souls.