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Psychiatric Drugs with Novel Mechanisms of Action

ziddy said:
ADHD, of course. Marketed by Shire.
Shire is quite clever at evergreening their patents. It's amphetamine for godsakes ... the stuff was discovered like a hundred years ago!

Adderall --> Adderall XR --> Vyvanse --> Longer-acting Adderall XR??? --> Transdermal amphetamine system

I'm sure the TAS will be soooo much smoother than the others. Taking Adderall XR would be simply brutish! 8)

The Monkey Mantra said:
Do you think these methods have the same mechanism of action they're proposing for SSRI's and exercise?
Both exercise and typical antidepressants increase monoamines, however, it seems to me that exercise more directly targets the transcriptional level instead of attempting to pharmacologically counterbalance deficiencies with a more top-down approach (i.e. at the synapse).

Here’s an interesting study that I posted in another thread on a hypothesis for a common pathway of antidepressant action:

Maeng S, Zarate CA Jr. The role of glutamate in mood disorders: results from the ketamine in major depression study and the presumed cellular mechanism underlying its antidepressant effects. 2007 Curr Psychiatry Rep.9(6):467-74.

“We … discuss our hypothesis that the therapeutic effects of monoaminergic antidepressants and ketamine may be mediated by increased AMPA-to-NMDA glutamate receptor throughput in critical neuronal circuits. We hypothesize that ketamine directly mediates this throughput, whereas monoaminergic antidepressants work indirectly and gradually; this may explain, in part, the lag of onset of several weeks to months that is observed with traditional antidepressants."

PMID: 18221626 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

“Although most antidepressants exert their initial effects by increasing the intrasynaptic levels of serotonin and/or norepinephrine, the resolution of core depressive symptoms becomes manifest only after weeks of administration. This suggests that alterations in downstream signaling cascades likely are the relevant targets ultimately responsible for their therapeutic effects. These observations have led to the appreciation that whereas dysfunction within the monoaminergic neurotransmitter system is likely to have an important role in mediating some aspects of mood disorders’ pathophysiology, it likely represents the consequences of other more key abnormalities [5,6].

…Contemporary theories about the neurobiologic underpinnings of mood disorders posit that neuroplasticity deficiency and cellular resilience may lie behind their pathophysiology and that antidepressants exert major effects on signaling pathways that regulate neuroplasticity and cell survival.

… [Rapid improvement resulting from ketamine] are posited to be due to an increase in AMPA relative to NMDA glutamatergic throughput, which results in increased synaptic potentiation. … early neuroplastic changes most likely explain the sustained effect of a single dose of ketamine.

…The NMDA/NR2B receptor subtype also seems to be relevant to the mechanism of antidepressant action and a reasonable target to pursue to develop the next generation of antidepressants. We recently found that Ro 25-6981, a selective NR2B subunit antagonist, has antidepressant-like properties in rodents and that these effects, similar to ketamine, appear in part to be largely mediated through AMPA receptors."
 
Dondante said:
Maeng S, Zarate CA Jr. The role of glutamate in mood disorders: results from the ketamine in major depression study and the presumed cellular mechanism underlying its antidepressant effects. 2007 Curr Psychiatry Rep.9(6):467-74.
Thanks for the porn, Don ;)

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Out of curiousity, are there any AMPA-modulating drugs/supplements on the market as of now?
 
^^^Well racetam drugs like piracetam have an ampakine like effect, but i dont think there are any specific AMPA modulators currently on the market...
 
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Interesting.

My experience (and a few others') proves that 'racetam drugs completely reverse the benificial effects of Ketamine on depression, and long-term as well (and by "depression" here, I mean suicidal ideation) - so whatever their effects are on NMDA/AMPA currents... we want the opposite!
 
negrogesic said:
^^^Well racetam drugs like piracetam have an ampakine like effect, but i dont think there are any specific AMPA modulators currently on the market...

Doesn't Modafinil count?
 
Doesn't Modafinil count?

Modafinil doesnt have the pyrollidine ring (sp?) that racetams share, so im
assuming that it doesnt behave like an ampakine. However, I am honestly unsure what the relationship is between modafinil and glutamate (there is a relationship there, but beyond that ?)...
 
What turned me off of Modafinil was actually an old article I read that described it as a glutamate agonist and GABA antagonist (so it sounded like nightmare for a benzo-dependant ketamine user, heh).
 
Interesting.

My experience (and a few others') proves that 'racetam drugs completely reverse the benificial effects of Ketamine on depression, and long-term as well (and by "depression" here, I mean suicidal ideation) - so whatever their effects are on NMDA/AMPA currents... we want the opposite!

I can vouch for that. Racetams very potently activate and aggravate my depression.
 
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