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Psychedelics & Introverted personalities

I'm not really seeing a big harm reduction angle to this thread. The OP is safe, just unsure about the role of psychedelics in their life.

Moving this to PD.
 
I sometimes feel that psychedelics made me more quiet an introverted, but when I think about it I was always quiet.
I'm the same as I was younger and while I was growing up, quiet around most people, usually don't shut the fuck up around my close friends
 
People change with time, that's just a fact of life. You can't necessarily attribute those changes to psychedelics.
 
I take psychedelics as often as I feel like it. If you need them every week then take them every week. I took mushrooms every week for 8-12 months and I also took them once every 3 months. Different periods in my life had different tripping needs.

But don't blame the psychedelics for anything - it's down to you how often you take them. If they're doing you harm then stop taking them. If you're getting something positive from them then you keep taking them at whatever frequency best suits your life and your wallet.
 
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bloodshed344 said:
You shouldn't need something as intense as a psychedelic more than once per month.
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For the first time, I have to fully disagree with you, man. I have tripped about once per week for two years and have experienced no detrimental social, psychological or physical effects. If anything, it's been the opposite. My first trip was twenty-five years ago, and from that time until two years ago, I very rarely tripped, but then I chose to do it regularly. From time to time, I wait up to two weeks between experiences, but it's usually just six or seven days. My "once-per-week" regimen is entirely by choice; I enjoy it greatly and it has proved to be highly beneficial to me. In spite of that, I'm 100% certain that I can completely discontinue ingesting psychedelics at any time I choose. In other words, I do this because I want to, not because I need to. Some people can; some people cannot.
 
The only negative thing I'd say about tripping every week for long periods of time is that it can leave you with a permanently high tolerance. Even tho I havn't tripped on mushrooms every week for years my tolerance is still at about 12 dried grams.
 
I believe NKB said it best. I'm paraphrasing, but the hook goes like this: "taking drugs to make life more interesting tends to make you a boring person; when your most treasured experiences are something most people can never understand or relate to, it becomes awfully difficult to carry on a conversation."

Never Knows Best said:
I dunno, I guess I understand what you're saying about being extra thoughtful and not being able to make the off-hand comments that are conducive to normal conversation because they strike you now as shallow or harmful things to say.
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Perhaps you're thinking about this wrong. It is good to recognize a problem but you cannot solve it by running away. It's probably better to accept the risk and learn to feel okay about being imperfect, but still assume responsibility for the consequences of your actions. I've accidentally offended and upset people and you just have to apologize and maybe ask yourself why you felt the need to say that particular thing. There is an old zen quote that goes like this:

"When I first began studying Zen, my bowl and spoon were just a bowl and spoon. When I became advanced in my practice, they were nothing, devoid of essence. Now I am old and my bowl and spoon are again a bowl and spoon."

There is also a popular quote of Ludwig Wittgenstein:

"My propositions serve as elucidations in the following way: anyone who understands me eventually recognizes them as nonsensical, when he has used them—as steps—to climb beyond them. He must, so to speak, throw away the ladder after he has climbed up it."

Communication is ultimately not a body of knowledge but a skill to be practiced.

Also, if you really do find you have only negative things to say about someone, perhaps you shouldn't be around them at least for a while. Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong, either way they're not doing you any favors.

I was always very quiet before I started taking LSD. I am still quiet but it seems that in some way psychedelics helped me enjoy the company of others and I'm significantly more extroverted these days. In hindsight, it's not a good or bad change, though it was something I wanted.
 
atara said:
I believe NKB said it best. I'm paraphrasing, but the hook goes like this: "taking drugs to make life more interesting tends to make you a boring person; when your most treasured experiences are something most people can never understand or relate to, it becomes awfully difficult to carry on a conversation."
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It all depends on the person tho doesn't it - I could listen to someone talk about a drug I didn't like if they were funny,wise and compassionate. I could listen to someone who liked climbing mountains too.
 
lamanogaucha said:
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For the first time, I have to fully disagree with you, man. I have tripped about once per week for two years and have experienced no detrimental social, psychological or physical effects. If anything, it's been the opposite. My first trip was twenty-five years ago, and from that time until two years ago, I very rarely tripped, but then I chose to do it regularly. From time to time, I wait up to two weeks between experiences, but it's usually just six or seven days. My "once-per-week" regimen is entirely by choice; I enjoy it greatly and it has proved to be highly beneficial to me. In spite of that, I'm 100% certain that I can completely discontinue ingesting psychedelics at any time I choose. In other words, I do this because I want to, not because I need to. Some people can; some people cannot.
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Ok. It's like going to a beautiful place every week. Yeah, it's awesome, but it starts to get old. To NKB, no one said anything about qualifications. However, I am right.


It's because once you start tripping once a week your brain learns that activity, it gets used to this stimuli every week. Tell me if the experiences feel as intense as they did before? No, they didn't. At least not if it was phenethylamines. For tryptamines I'd bet the trip is the same intensity, but the intensity shock to you probably feels much lessened. Probably harder to get into those desired 4+ states. and you'll probably reply telling me that no, none of this happens. Well I don't care, because to a human that is what would happen. Humans get used to activities, those activities lose their luster after awhile.

It could anything, eating a fine cheeseburger once per week. Going to heaven once per week. Once per week your life is going to be awesome, and the rest of the time you'll be waiting for the next week.
 
^That's why I wouldn't trip once a week, but not everybody is seeking the same thing from their psychedelic use.

The game changes if we're talking about something like vaped DMT, or specific therapeutic use with no intention of using after the issue is resolved. Intentions for seeking the experience can be as multifaceted as the experience itself.

bloodshed said:
It's because once you start tripping once a week your brain learns that activity, it gets used to this stimuli every week. Tell me if the experiences feel as intense as they did before? No, they didn't. At least not if it was phenethylamines. For tryptamines I'd bet the trip is the same intensity, but the intensity shock to you probably feels much lessened.
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You are assuming intensity is everyone's goal, and as I read it, maximizing feelings of novelty/wonder....those things are great, but that's not what everyone is after. Those people might find benefit from doing things their way, different doesn't mean wrong. My point is as simple as that.
 
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Never Knows Best said:
^That's why I wouldn't trip once a week, but not everybody is seeking the same thing from their psychedelic use.

The game changes if we're talking about something like vaped DMT, or specific therapeutic use with no intention of using after the issue is resolved. Intentions for seeking the experience can be as multifaceted as the experience itself.



You are assuming intensity is everyone's goal, and as I read it, maximizing feelings of novelty/wonder....those things are great, but that's not what everyone is after. Those people might find benefit from doing things their way, different doesn't mean wrong. My point is as simple as that.
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For vaped tryptamines the point still applies but it's not as big of a deal. Something like being blasted into hyperspace from DMT is probably more intense than any of the 100+ trips I've had so no matter the length I can't imagine a good reason for doing it once a week.

If people want to go through a period of heavy use though I say let them. They'll come out of it a better person, or with serious problems.
 
f33lg00d said:
That's ridiculous, using psychedelics once a week is no where close to an addiction.
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Sure lets see some evidence, this can harm a person just as much as being addicted to other drugs, in a different way it is such a huge load on the brain when you induce a psychedelic state with drugs. They are very safe for humans to use when you treat them with respect, there is no way someone living a normal life could properly handle the hangover and adjustment in consciousness every week, This can lead to opiate/benzo abuse and abuse of uppers, if you are constantly trying to beat a psychedelic hangover and changes in consciousness.

Sure if you are super rich, don't have to work and can pamper yourself, without using alcohol/ cannabis or any other intoxicant in your trips and you never have to work sure maybe you have a shot.

This is a harm reduction site responses like yours that approve of weekly tripping are ignorant, no offense just remember how many teens and young adults read what we write.

End of life patients are the only justifiable candidates for weekly use, possibly depression treatment for psilocybin but we need more research to be sure about that. Even cluster headache patients don't need to trip weekly.

Never Knows Best said:
Society says you shouldn't need to experience psychedelics ever. What makes you more qualified than they to determine this, or more so than the fellow who wants to go at it once a week for the time being?
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I politely disagree KNB this is the largest viewed psychedelic harm reduction site in the world. Mainly more visitors are looking at the site then members ( who I feel grow a stronger knowledge of HR ), why would we endorse weekly use? This can have plenty of negative effects and I think it is ignorant not to stand up and advice against it, keep in mind with our world being flooded with easy to access RCs this is changing the face of psychedelica and I feel the amount of frequent use is skyrocketing with easy to access RCs. We should be advising against weekly use, I constantly see people on here trying to start there own depression cure regiments with weekly / daily use of dissociative and psychedelics when little research has been done.

I would be curious to what the OP is using weekly I can almost guarantee it is not conventional psychedelics, someone fill me in if I missed it.

So especially if people are using RCs weekly it is very irresponsible for us not to advise against weekly use. Sure if you can handle your self and want to use psychedelics every week then fine, and you will probably be fine, but no one can say what kind of mood swings and shifts in perception this can cause. Im not saying everyone cant trip every week, but This is super poor advice for the masses. Just think how many people could end up in the OPs position?

Honestly if you need psychedelics every week you are missing the point, what your looking for is probably right in front of you.


Foreigner said:
I'm not really seeing a big harm reduction angle to this thread. The OP is safe, just unsure about the role of psychedelics in their life.

Moving this to PD.
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Really? I thought Solipsis made a perfect choice, I see a huge angle in future harm reduction, this should be in the MAPS HR sure there will be more threads on stuff like this however this is a great starting point to chizzle down on HR facts focusing on what to do after reaching a rough point like this .

I vote move it back to MAPS. Whats up with the MAPS mods or representatives it would be awesome to start seeing some of there input lets make there forum more active.

Op just chill out, aren't you happy you don't live on auto-pilot anymore, keep in mind you could just be freaking yourself out, just go with the flow of life and be who you are deep down nothing can change that, use your new perception as a tool maybe there was something you wern't seeing before you need to learn to achieve happiness and live a divine life! You still have every chance in the world don't get yourself down.

Count only the sunny days, everybody's got there troubles too focus on what you appreciate and are blessed with.

Good luck!

Pm me if you have any serious questions or need someone to chat with I can give you recommendations on how to control or release this negative vibe you feel i have had to over come the same thing.
 
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Post #32 makes sense, Bloodshed344, but only if a person is, a) always looking for an "intense" experience, and/or b) possesses a modest number of psychedelics.

As for me, I rarely go for the elusive ++++ (although I've experienced three over the last year and a half; with 2C-T-7, 4-AcO-DET and 4-AcO-DMT). I'm perfectly happy with a solid +++, or even a fine ++, depending on what I'm looking for. Also, since I have over forty psychedelics to experiment with, and since I conduct my trials with each using different doses and (occasionally) ROA's, I never get "used" to any of them. Each experience is always "new", in a sense, even if I conduct an "identical" bioassay (i.e. same dose, ROA, set and setting, etc.). If I include combinations -- which I try every now and then -- then it should be easy to accept that, for me, there is no such thing as "habituation". As a side note, I should point out that I never experience tolerance as long as I wait five (or more) days between trials. Related to that, I don't use NBOMe or similar compounds, although I tested 25D-NBOMe twice last year and possess (but probably will never try) 25I-NBOMe.
 
EarthBounded said:
Sure lets see some evidence, this can harm a person just as much as being addicted to other drugs, in a different way it is such a huge load on the brain when you induce a psychedelic state with drugs.
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It's nowhere near as huge a load on the brain as getting pissed up on alcohol is - and plenty of people get drunk every week for 50 years. In fact plenty of people drink every day. Is 25-50mg of psilocybin once a week really going to damage you in comparison to a deadly neurotoxin like alcohol?

In fact - are psychedelics a huge load on the brain at all? I never felt like that - it was a great way to relax, experience euphoria and have some peace of mind.

there is no way someone living a normal life could properly handle the hangover and adjustment in consciousness every week

There's not much of a hangover from psilocybin. Certainly if you trip early enough in the day you can go to work the next day no problem.
 
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I feel no "heavy load" on my brain either... I think that is just nonsense. It's all about the person and his/her age (or at the very least, level of maturity).
 
Ismene said:
It's nowhere near as huge a load on the brain as getting pissed up on alcohol is - and plenty of people get drunk every week for 50 years. In fact plenty of people drink every day. Is 25-50mg of psilocybin once a week really going to damage you in comparison to a deadly neurotoxin like alcohol?

In fact - are psychedelics a huge load on the brain at all? I never felt like that - it was a great way to relax, experience euphoria and have some peace of mind.

there is no way someone living a normal life could properly handle the hangover and adjustment in consciousness every week

There's not much of a hangover from psilocybin. Certainly if you trip early enough in the day you can go to work the next day no problem.
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No, it's not going to damage you. But it's a sign that your personality could be damaged. Not damaged by the psilocybin, damaged by your habits and lifestyle.
 
The key word in your post is "could". Still, some of your posts on this thread seem very judgmental. Regarding my lifestyle and habits, I've been a teacher for twenty-one years, I've been happily married for almost ten, I'm well-adjusted, I have a normal social life, I eat well, I don't use any substances other than psychedelics (not even alcohol), my creative work flows smoothly, etc. In sum, just because some people, probably most, I concede, can't handle prolonged and intensive -- but in my case, responsible -- psychedelic use, that does not mean that those that can are in imminent danger of damaging their life. I hope that you get my point. If you don't, then I'll just chuck it to personal beliefs, rather than rational thought.
 
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