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Psychedelics, insomnia and redosing to stay awake for 30+ hours

RobotRipping

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this is an issue i've often found myself in and wondering if other people do this as well.

basically i get really stimmed from a psych (always dose early in the day), can't sleep until like 6am, which means i won't wake up until like 2pm (the next day), rendering the next day useless. In an attempt to get myself back on track, i take a second dose (usually larger dose) in the morning (around 6-7am) and stay up until 10-11pm (day 2) then painfully go to sleep.

it's not a very pleasurable experience usually, but i can't count the number of times i have done this, especially with long acting psychedelics. My biggest issues are burning out but not being able to sleep, muscle tension, stomach related issues and feeling very off. My worst experience was with 25i, just kept redosing it for 2 days despite tolerance, just kept doubling up each time, wanted to kill myself by the end of it. Have also done this with plenty of 2c-x drugs and of course stimulants.

that's my plan this morning, took 50mg of escaline 11am yesterday (it's now been 15 hours since then, still not completely down from the trip), can't sleep at all, even with zopiclone, etizolam, DPH, just has no effect on me sleep wise. So down this twisted route i go again.

anyway, anyone else do this from time to time? what are you experiences in psych binging? negative effects? positive outcomes? any way to mitigate some of the terrible effects other than sleep? better idea just to go with d-amp?
 
Have you had a joint?
1mg etizolam puts me to sleep if i take it just beyond the start of the comedown on stims.

TBH I'd just waste the extra day. Chill out & let your body repair itself. And eat.
 
problem is weed/benzos/alcohol/benadryl/hydroxyzine/zopiclone will not put me out, no matter the dose. Seroquel would probably do it but i don't have any left ATM.

it's not that i haven't taken all of the above, except alcohol, it's just that it still won't knock me out. in about 4-5 hours i'll become tired, meaning i won't wake up until well after 6pm, which puts me on a reverse schedule, so i need to stim myself to make it past that drowsy time.
 
I get the exact same issue- psychedelics are almost worse than straight stimulants for me when it comes to getting to sleep. In fact it's the main reason I tend to avoid psychedelics these days- particularly LSD, the come up and peak are all well and good...the sometimes ~30 hour period when I'm not high anymore but I can't fucking sleep or be a normal human being are horribly taxing.

I tend to not redose in order to try to stay awake, I'll just smoke weed and suffer. When I was younger and had a taste for such things I would, but a very good friend of mine having a wee psychotic-break from tripping on acid (and a bit of ritalin) for about 3 days, smashed all the plates in the house and cut himself up quite badly. This was completely out of character- he's one of the most mellow guys I know and is certainly highly experienced with psychedelics....sleep deprivation just seems to mix particularly badly with psychedelics.

That's why I'm all about the DMT these days. Nice compact trips & even if I smoke it right before bed it seems to actually help 'prepare' me to go to sleep, sorta like melatonin is meant to (which I thought was interesting).
 
Yeah I can never sleep after any stimulating drug and there's not much I can do either. I've tried alcohol and temazepam but in the end I always end up shifting between being wide awake and some sort of sleep paralysis like state, really annoying.

Redosing isn't really worth it IME, it's either a trip of nothing or one that goes a bit too far for that point in time. Would rather save the material for when I can enjoy it or put it to another good use
 
Im pretty sure 25I isnt something you want to redose on actually

Every time I've done psychs I started between 3-5pm the evening before a day of no responsibilities.

Go to bed anywhere from 2-7 am, wake up whenever, smoke a bunch of weed, and resume my sleep pattern
 
no it isn't lol but i've certainly done it plenty of times.

I honestly dose escaline/proscaline/2c-p/2c-e at like 11am, hits me by 1pm and then can't sleep until 5-6am the next morning. It's just the way i'm wired. Anyway i ended up taking 20mp of dexedrine at like 7am, which of course is the only thing that knocks me out for some reason, had a nap, woke up for a while, had another nap and feel much better. I just can't handle a 36 hour trip any more, i used to do it just fine but it pushes me too close to psychosis for my liking. So yeah, bad idea, wasn't really in the brightest state of mind when posting as i had the sleep meds affecting me as well as the trip, psychonautical logic at play there.

Once i am done with my escaline, like 1 or 2 doses left, i will never ever touch a long acting psychedelic again. I'm done with this shit, when i was younger i would love to trip for 2-3 days straight but i just can't do it anymore. That's how you know when you're getting old. :(

Long acting psychs are definitely worse than stims for me, they just don't fucking wear off at all, i've even seroqueled a few mescaline analogue trips and the only thing that happened was the visuals stopped and i felt like i weighed 100 tons, but was still completely wide awake and felt even more fucked up. This shit just isn't for me anymore. Thanks for the thoughtful replies :)
 
What various benzos have you tried? I'd try taking some new benzos you haven't used before. I'm not trying to tell you that I know your body and its reaction to drugs better than you do, rather, I'm hoping that you might be able to find a specific benzodiazepine that will have the proper effect where other may not. That's one of the interesting things about benzos IMO: there's such a wide variation in molecular structure and subjective effects! Perhaps several benzos in combination might be able to affect the necessary neurochemical change?
 
i have a monster benzo tolerance, z-drugs work most of the time but not with long acting psychedelic stims. It's really just these kinds of drugs in particular that cause me this issue, so i just won't use them anymore. 25i didn't cause me this kind of issue because it has a reasonable duration.

i've tried all the big popular benzos in combos, but since i'm dependent on them anyway, they don't make me sleep unless they are a pure hypnotic and i don't have access to such benzos. And yeah maybe dosing at 5am is a better idea lol. I don't like day tripping that much, just no more long acting psychs for me, well except the 1 or 2 doses i have left of course.
 
You could, of course, move to either one of the poles so you can enjoy those long-lasting psychs in the dark when it's winter
 
I much prefer night trips so I ususually plan out a weekend to adjust my sleep schedule when I take lsd. Assuming I don't try to take a heroic dose, I can usually find sleep at T+15:00.
 
kidklmx said:
You could, of course, move to either one of the poles so you can enjoy those long-lasting psychs in the dark when it's winter
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not a bad idea; northern lights would look pretty. I'd probably want to shoot myself pretty quickly though after living there for a while.
 
Are you sure about being put on a reverse schedule if you sleep in til the evening? I tend to suffer from exactly what you're talking about and after my initial sleep (which I coin my "psychedelic sleep"), I'm usually only awake for 3-4 hours before feeling the intense need to sleep again.

There's that, and... I don't think one dose of psychs is going to disrupt your circadian rythm in a major way. If you sleep in late, your body should try to prepare for sleep again at the usual time. Unless of course you suffer from more routine insomnia, then there's no guarantee.

tl;dr --> sleep if your body is telling you to, and stop trying to control the timing. The results might not be as bad as you think.
 
Antipsychotics+weed, problem solved.

At least it's better than not sleeping at all.

Flunitrazepam is a godsend too if you have it.

I usually pass out from doing lots of whippets though and smoking weed at the end, love smoking and doing whippets on psychedlics, would never take them without either :)

The trick is usually not to try to sleep, but rather put on some music, smoke some weed, lay down and relax. It will come naturally sooner or later. If you try too hard it just won't work in my experience.
 
cannabis isn't the answer to everyones problems lol i smoked heavily for YEARS and now i can't because it causes severe anxiety, i even tried 3 hits off of some sour diesel the other day, instant fucking anxiety even while on etizolam! it wasn't terrible but was comfortable, just overstimulating and ruined my night really.

I have insomnia is the issue really, i think some of you didn't see that in the title. I do not sleep like a normal person, a psychedelic can have me awake for 30 hours no problem, if i wake up at 6pm the day after, i can guarantee i won't get to bed until 14 hours after that. My body runs on some weird cycle that's not consistent with the sun. I've been like this since the day i can remember. I am constantly trying to force my body to sleep and wake with the sun but it refuses, or i refuse, i don't know. Either way, maybe it'll have some advantage when i am needed to work long night shifts. It's like my brain switches on at 8-10pm and doesn't like to switch off until 4-5am. No problem sleeping even naturally after 5am so long as i'm not stimmed up or anything. I could fall asleep every day from 2-5pm as well. i don't understand why but it's annoying.
 
If I smoke weed before bed I will be awake until dawn. It doesn't matter if it's indica or sativa, it will increase mental hyperactivity a lot.
 
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