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Psychedelics and the view of the world

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How come most of the psychedelic substance users believe in some sorts of higher powers and think that universe has different stages or dimensions which can be entered through death or using psychedelic substances?

Is it before or after or after using the first times of these substances that this kind of thinking changes?

And how came people who are wiccas, pagans, gaians see and talk with fairies or other things from fantasy books? And those who believe in multiuniverses, aliens etc. see those things during the trip.

I am mean that it is quite harmfull in some extent when you start believing in such things that do not exist in real world but in fantasy books such as The Bible or movies like Independence day.

Dont get me wrong. I like those substances but when tripping I consider it same way as a good movie. If I for example while interacting with an alien hallucination thats warning me about world being destroyed by greed of mankind and only I can prevent that from happening by contacting presiden of United States I dont even think about doing it.

It happens totally just inside our brains while our brain chemistry is being altered. Consider hallucinations just a good video game or movie presented and directed by our brains. We do not enter in strange dimensions or cross a barriers of fairyworld and most importantly we dont act with actual beings. Only projections of our subconscient mind and past memories.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think many people here think those things to the extent you're stating at all
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think many people here think those things to the extent you're stating at all

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How come most of the psychedelic substance users believe in some sorts of higher powers and think that universe has different stages or dimensions which can be entered through death or using psychedelic substances?

"Higher powers"

"Dimensions"

Those are just man made labels... but I would say most people who believe in those things do so because of having a background in astronomy / quantum physics or religion.

Psychedelics do have alot of do with consciousness though... and consciousness is a common topic in those areas so I understand the tie in.

It happens totally just inside our brains while our brain chemistry is being altered. Consider hallucinations just a good video game or movie presented and directed by our brains. We do not enter in strange dimensions or cross a barriers of fairyworld and most importantly we dont act with actual beings. Only projections of our subconscient mind and past memories.

You seem young or uneducated.
 
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Well I have indeed read plethora of books about string theory but they were mostly popular science. M11/string theory is still questionable theory and not proven fact among the scientist. But with LHC back operating we might know something more soon than if the Higgs boson exists. Even time travel of single particles could be possible with LHC.

Even though string theory is quite popular subject I still think I consist of atoms instead of strings being in different harmonies. Occams razor for me. We can study particles and predict how they react to other particles in quite good results so we could rely in world consisting atoms and them consisting of protons, neutrons, electrons etc. instead of strings that have curbed in a so tiny dimension that we can never study unless someone knows how to create unlimited energy from nothing (breaking the laws of nature itself.(of course in vacuum there might be a quantum fluctuation that creates mass (which equals energy) but we cant never harness that power.))

I am not a scientist, and never be but have a nearly a degree in law. So that about my studying history. I happen to have astronomy as a hobby, astrophotography to be exact (currently with semiamateur equipment costing 1 6000 euros with an small observatory). Therefore I am interested in physics too.

I would expect ad hominem to be present as an argument and yours have been from the least stupid that I have met here.

And do you suggest that the fact that someone studying astrophysics or M11 theory would think that they would enter those extra 7 dimensions by taking psychedwlic substances. I mean have met any scientist stydying those and established a relationship in which you can talk about their substance abuse?

I think people that have read pseudoscience, or popular science about M11 and even misunderstood that, think that they are in fact entering some kind of new dimensions that arent available for them without the substance.
 
And do you suggest that the fact that someone studying astrophysics or M11 theory would think that they would enter those extra 7 dimensions by taking psychedwlic substances. I mean have met any scientist stydying those and established a relationship in which you can talk about their substance abuse?

I think people that have read pseudoscience, or popular science about M11 and even misunderstood that, think that they are in fact entering some kind of new dimensions that arent available for them without the substance.

I just think that people with a solid background in science would understand and appreciate how truely little we know about "consciousness"

It's really the biggest unknown... and probably always will be simply because, well we are essentially a form of consciousness that pilots a vehicle known as the human body. Some say that consciousness is nothing than that body's sum of all processes.. I don't claim to know if its just that or more... buts a really vague and full of infallible concepts. If that's what we are, than how can we ever truly know for its impossible for us to study our very nature objectively. Everything you every study, read, or think about will always be from your center point of consciousness trying to understand consciousness... not outside of it. This computer screen you are looking at now is actually just the representation of highly organized particles and energy being relayed through your senses, yet still its nothing more than a component of your consciousness.

And because of that I can't invalidate the things people claim to experience while on psychedelics.

Obviously some part of them is experiencing something, the ghost in the machine? the observer? or sum of all physical reactions? E=mc^2... where do you draw the line between physical and non-physical, or maybe that is pointless because those are just words we invented to try to describe things thousands of years ago as a species. Matter vibrating at different frequencies, different possibilities within quantum probability outputs, why is there even an observer with-in our body? Why is life not happening on earth just as it is right now but as a mechanical input output basis? There is no need or explanation for why you have been experiencing all this and are reading this now as if you are in a 1st person video game. Life could easily exist with out you being there watching it all happen inside your movie theater of multiple sensory input within your skull. We know how those signals are observed and transferred physically what is it that is actually you seeing the projection of it all? Seeing the lights and colors, hearing the representation of sound waves, feeling the sensation of touch, smelling, and so on...

One some level something is happening... equivalent of a hyper-complex daydream? Possibly... but then again what does that even mean? Think about it.

But life itself in this "reality" is so far from being truely understood that one might as well say we are in a dream right now, as the label applies quite well and that's all it is... a label for an idea the a majority of people tend to identify the same concept with.

Compounds, Elements, Atoms, Subatomic particles... after that we don't know what the hell any of "this" is... might as well just be some type of primordial soup of energy. And your consciousness is just a portion of that whole soup.

I'll gladly admit to eating my own words in saying you seem young or uneducated. That was a great response above and I wasn't expecting that. My bad. You came off as "closed minded" / "green" to me...

Thanks for the dose of humility. :)
 
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Well I have indeed read plethora of books about string theory but they were mostly popular science. M11/string theory is still questionable theory and not proven fact among the scientist. But with LHC back operating we might know something more soon than if the Higgs boson exists. Even time travel of single particles could be possible with LHC.

Even though string theory is quite popular subject I still think I consist of atoms instead of strings being in different harmonies. Occams razor for me. We can study particles and predict how they react to other particles in quite good results so we could rely in world consisting atoms and them consisting of protons, neutrons, electrons etc. instead of strings that have curbed in a so tiny dimension that we can never study unless someone knows how to create unlimited energy from nothing (breaking the laws of nature itself.(of course in vacuum there might be a quantum fluctuation that creates mass (which equals energy) but we cant never harness that power.))

I am not a scientist, and never be but have a nearly a degree in law. So that about my studying history. I happen to have astronomy as a hobby, astrophotography to be exact (currently with semiamateur equipment costing 1 6000 euros with an small observatory). Therefore I am interested in physics too.

I would expect ad hominem to be present as an argument and yours have been from the least stupid that I have met here.

And do you suggest that the fact that someone studying astrophysics or M11 theory would think that they would enter those extra 7 dimensions by taking psychedwlic substances. I mean have met any scientist stydying those and established a relationship in which you can talk about their substance abuse?

I think people that have read pseudoscience, or popular science about M11 and even misunderstood that, think that they are in fact entering some kind of new dimensions that arent available for them without the substance.

String theories, loop quantum gravity, etc., aim to explain discrepant phenomena relating to observable matter (i.e. protons, neutrons, electrons) when undergoing significant changes in scales of interactions that otherwise are attributed to magical nothings. These hypotheses are attempts to reach the most parsimonious conclusion about the nature of the universe (loop quantum gravity being the hypothesis that does it best).
 
I think that the reason anyone believes in anything is because they've had experiences (be them events or thoughts) which, upon experiencing and upon recollection, feel undeniably 'real'.

You refer to a trip as being something like a movie played inside of our brains because of altered neurochemistry. But to examine and try to describe the neurological root of a given perception or feeling experienced during a 'psychedelic experience' i feel justly deems the examination and notation of the nature of 'sober perception'.

Are they not both subjective experiences? Is the 'movie' you speak of only playing when you trip? I feel it would be a strongly biased analogy without at least saying we're watching a dull movie while sober. :D Not to dis on your analogical representation, but really, Who EVER Sees Outside of One's Self? And the connotation of that question can be looked at mystically or scientifically. Really the difference is just the variation of the given chemicals effected....lol, not EVErYthing we see while tripping is fake...i swear some people when hearing a description of a trip will discredit all of it just because the person was 'altered' during it....my friend tried to tell me the sun didn't rise..because i said i saw it happen tripping ;)

One of the main properties of psychedelics that i can note from my own experience is that they increase my energetic receptivity... hold on with me for a second, i'm not getting overly new agey...now, what this does is get me perceptually processing more information in a given amount of time as well as getting me to notice what is normally perceptually subtle.This property accounts for increased alertness and insane attention to details, as well as strong emotional reactions to experiences. The other main property and this is the Important part: increasing my energetic receptivity allows me to see the 'layers of my being'. No matter how hard i trip there's always the silent observer watching. when we wake, sleep, wander, we always see it happen at the core of ourself...higher self? spirit? or simply the guy in the control room of the brain...or maybe all of them :) in front of the control room man is the mind, the emotions and then the externality (which is inconceivable without being digested by logic and baked to perfection by our perceptual facilities.)

sorry for the extended lengthiness, i am going to bring it all back together i promise. The 'avg joe experiece of reality', from what i've learned is like a shooken up jar of varying density liquids...ie oil, water, alcohol etc. When we keep running around, and performing action after action after action during our entire waking cycle, processing thought after thought after thought without rest for the mind, and experiencing emotion after emotion after emotion without ever taking time to make sense of them THEN we continue to shake the analogical jar of our being.

The resting of the jar happens when one is relaxed and at peace, and the liquids settle especially quickly when one meditating or becoming deeply centered through some other practice or sometimes through good discussion with a good friend.

So now the layers are visible....what do you see????? Well you, as the experiencer of existence, the control room guy, see yourself, the ego, the mind, the emotional being, the essence of your individual. And then WaaaaaaaYYY out there, you see what seems to be a world outside of yourself, something solid.

So WHat is in the layers...what is the Content of Our Selves? well....what have you made yourself to be?....look at your thoughts your ideas....feel the way you feel about the world. We always use our minds and our emotions, but we don't always have a clear view of the nooks and crannies of our minds and our emotions....and we can only very rarely can see the inter-relay of energy between these layers, ie the way your mind guides the emotions, the way emotions form your mind, the way your view of external reality is guided by your mind, the way your view of the outside world is rounded off (or overlooked because of) emotional fragility or rigidity.

When we look at our diagram of existential perception and consider that the mind is in front of the windshield the question comes up...what's on your mind?? or when we examine and dissect ourselves, what IN your mind...? The avg joe reality profile sees the mind as being our logic and the organizer of our information...but even scientifically, examination shows that there are many winding neuro-pathways and regions of activity in the brain at any given moment..we just 'normally' only see a surface level glimpse of our mind, and our mental selves. The function of this 'only seeing the surface' is very understandable though, when we take in too much information we often lose the ability to function.

To survive and especially to function in the social world, we have to keep our perceptions limited. just look at those hippies sitting around TRIPPIN OUT, they just go pet the leaves and dance around in the park..:)...when we can see the societal constructs to their fullest we often spend all our time petitioning it or simply refusing it, giving further justification for crushing the ego's limitations (a possibly harsh cycle).

From my experience tripping is a combination of extreme energetic receptivity as well as extreme energy waves or energetic flanging. Kind of a yin and yang...you start to truly observe some subtle details while also having to now look through this dancing, flailing madman of a mind jacked up on psychedelic neuro-abstraction. Depending though, on the individual, the surrounding, and the particular flavor of neuroalteration present different perceptual experiences can manifest.

Many psychedelic experiences are rooted in delusional association...ie the table turned into a dog...considering table, firing to the dog, make it into a sandwich and call it NOW. Though much of the psychedelic experience for myself isn't focused on daydream imagery..it's more precise notice of symmetries and a strong tuning in to subtle perception. It's only when the level of energy being processed perceptually exceeds the ability of my perceptual facilities, or i am allowing myself to go all tangent artistic-like, that i really drift off into daydream experiences. I still have transcendental experiences and journeying...it's just not all inner-movies...it's extreme tuning in to the world around me.

For myself as well, this intense neuro-abstraction generally manifests not as delusional daydreams, but rather as artistic and/or analogical representations. Which, while being abstract sometimes, are DIRECTLY coordinatable into insight. Sometimes to the degree of personal revelations, but even as simply as two people looking at a pile of sand....the first walks away and says 'peh, sand...boring' and the second is too busy thinking of how we're all like little grains in the large pile of collective existence to notice the mundanity of the sand pile.

^^^All of that being said, i believe it is possible that there are energies out there...and even vibrational stimulus out there, which are not commonly received by our processing minds...and i think these are even less commonly perceived to anywhere near their fullest due to the hustle and bustle of the avg joe mindset. Just in terms of probability, there is so much energy out there and so much information that could be processed, it seems silly to assume that just because you have never experienced something doesn't mean it isn't an equally viable experience to be had. We have only ever been in our one place at our one time, and we've only experience these small fractions of what there is outside of us. Not only limited by our place in space-time, but also limited by our amount of perceptual receptivity.

Do you sit outside every day and just watch..? Do you take time out of your thoughts to listen..? Because if your actions that you choose to perform each day are not largely focused on sensing the world around you, then you're probably not running at 100% of your perceptual recognition. And even if you are perceiving 100% of the energetic stimulus around you (which is probably impossible even for a perceptual master lol) you are still only ever going to be experiencing a small fraction of the total energy in the world at any given time...and when you take into account the constant movement of energy, it starts to seem very probable that there are substantial experiences to be had that you have never seen anything like.

lol, scientists find new bugs sometimes...what if one of the ones unfound talks through mental waves...lol, a push, but a physical root to something that might be seen as, and rightfully is, entity contact. What if a subtle odor released from the processing of a given psychedelic draws these bugs near...what if you've been too busy sorting through your mind and emotions to notice what's been right in front of you..?

Or even better, what if there are many entities, always talking to us, but we can seldom decrypt their language into english....so it gets swept under the perceptual pile, going unnoticed by our conscious minds.

Surity lessens doubt, which increases surity...and true psychological delusional episodes are only truly delusion when there is no sense of doubt of the experiences...the schizophrenic who has doubt that maybe the govt isn't after him isn't completely delusional at that moment....

:D Food for Thought....Philosophy to Consider. IDEAS exploding out of my fucking head, and taking me a couple of hours to type. :D enjoy
 
i'm gonna have to type another few pages regarding quantum manifestation and virtual particle patterning as it corresponds to the psychedelic experience now..lol..you guys added good input since i started typing that.
 
This one is going to be a little bit of a read, but most of the people I banter to about this sort of thing like the idea. I would like to hear some opinions if anyone cares....

This gets a little preachy, I talk down on some of the aspects of Christianity and generally traditional views of faith. You are as entitled to your views as much as I am mine and I mean no disrespect. My upbringing was around fire and brimstone southern Baptist variety of Christianity and the people left a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless, I hope you enjoy reading it and hope you can take some things of value from it.

Personally I see DMT as a sort of spiritual sacrament that provides a window or channel that taps into something that is far greater than myself. There is something truly profound that it taps into, but its far deeper than you can imagine.... All the wisdom and guidance you ever need is there if you respect it and make what you desire from it clear.

It truly is just one of those things you have to see and feel for yourself.

These beings are very likely our subconscious manifesting into our conscious reality, DMT and other psychedelics remove the filters that segregate our conscious and subconscious. These filters are in place so that we can maintain a healthy and productive state, but despite the notion that the filters preventing you from feeling certain magnitudes of of emotion.... there is a profound sense that there is something far deeper there, and through allowing myself to be a channel for it, the experiences continue to go deeper.

If you have done DMT and only got some geometry and colourfulness, your viewing the surface of something that is far deeper than you could ever imagine.

I get entities on DMT.... They don't really care about us, they look at us as something of a curiosity. There is a stranger in a strange land feeling it it, your the alien that has fallen into their space.... The reaction to one's presence is generally that of curiosity, some touchiness but nothing malevolent.... They seem to have a desire to teach those who are willing to seek their wisdom.

Going into trips with an idea of what I wish to gain from smoking it, asking for guidance on issues that had been troubling me, etc resulted in powerful experiences that rocked me on profound levels.... Answers to everything I asked and an inventory of my life, all the parts I don't like, and what is within my power to change to better my circumstances; and this all sort of happened while my body was rocked with a profoundly nearly orgasmic indescribable feeling of pleasure and positive emotion for the duration of it.

I came out of that one crying.... Beautiful on the most profound of scale.

DMT makes a lot more sense to me than Christianity or most other religions.... Some of the idea's behind it are alright, but I think most religious faiths are utterly narcissistic in their very nature. The idea that we as people can comprehend the gravity of the creator of existence is overly self confident and lacks the humility that a supreme deity should be acknowledged of.

Basing my spirituality through DMT, I can commune with something that seems far closer to an ideal view of "god" as a spiritual presence that exist within all of us. It is a presence we can commune with on a personal level. I have found that I can look within myself, see something far deeper, and obtain everything I wish to gain from it.


My first acid trip ended 3 years of depression in a surge of profound utter euphoria. Something a year of a psychologist did nothing for.

MDMA and bk-MDMA allowed me to become a much more open, honest, caring, empathetic individual.

I used to not like myself, used to not like other people.... No girlfriend, I felt emotionally detached from the rest of the world... I was apathetic, and generally hated life. LSD cured my depression. MDMA cured my social phobias and taught me to love myself and other. DMT has shown me wisdom and spirituality on a profound level, and left me utterly rocked body and mind with utter pleasure more times than I can describe.

A lot can be gained in developing an awareness and control over your own ego. Learn to let it go, see situations for how they affect all involved instead of your self. You come to see the life you live as being a little or a lot larger than yourself, but a simple awareness of how your actions affect those around you can go a long way.

Spirituality should be a personal journey, it needs no label. If there is a god, and you are damned based on not picking the right religion, I don't feel ok worshipping a god that cruel. If there is a judgement, it should be based on your impact as an individual on the world around you through your existence. I could never get around the Christian idea of being condemned to a fiery eternity in hell for the blink of time we exist in this mortal shell of a body. Personal opinion though, I was raised around radical fire and brimstone types and it left me jaded. Christianity in concept is a decent manner of living one's life, but I just see too many things worth not liking about how it is worshipped. Come to your own conclusions about your spirituality......

On a note, I do not consider myself pagan or anything of the such, but the next really nice day that comes around, go to somewhere kind of woodsy and contemplate the idea of "Gaia"....

Is the idea of a spiritual persona being given to aspects of nature and life really such a strange concept? You can see, smell, and taste it in your mouth.... Why is the idea of a unifying spirit for the presence of nature hard to swallow?

There is a wonderful prevailing drive amongst all species to survive and flourish, there is a drive above all else to live regardless of level of consciousness.

A unifying ever-present energy that provides a desire to live amongst all things seems like a little bit of a more respectful attitude over "and god created everything, and here we are in his image".
 
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I did, absolutely awesome post I love reading stuff like that.

Many psychedelic experiences are rooted in delusional association...ie the table turned into a dog...considering table, firing to the dog, make it into a sandwich and call it NOW. Though much of the psychedelic experience for myself isn't focused on daydream imagery..it's more precise notice of symmetries and a strong tuning in to subtle perception. It's only when the level of energy being processed perceptually exceeds the ability of my perceptual facilities, or i am allowing myself to go all tangent artistic-like, that i really drift off into daydream experiences. I still have transcendental experiences and journeying...it's just not all inner-movies...it's extreme tuning in to the world around me.

For myself as well, this intense neuro-abstraction generally manifests not as delusional daydreams, but rather as artistic and/or analogical representations. Which, while being abstract sometimes, are DIRECTLY coordinatable into insight. Sometimes to the degree of personal revelations, but even as simply as two people looking at a pile of sand....the first walks away and says 'peh, sand...boring' and the second is too busy thinking of how we're all like little grains in the large pile of collective existence to notice the mundanity of the sand pile.

I loved all of it but this^ especially... I can fully relate to that but have never been able to put it in words.

Very well done.

Edit:@ jamaica0535 you might find it interesting I have came to a very similar place "spiritually" as you. If I had to describe my view's I would say I am Agnostic, but very spiritually optimistic leaning one. I have my hunches and what I suppose is faith in some things but I maintain an open minded status above all.
 
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There are definitely different "frames of mind" we go through. We go through different ones throughout our days. (Hungry, Tired, Focused on a hobby, daydreaming, reading words)
I believe the amount of different perspectives we can view it all at is huge. Dare I say infinite.
Psychedelics break down the boundaries of regular life that keep you in a specific "realm."
I believe all that, because I can see it.
 
It is a powerful way of removing filters our brains put in place to allow us to be functional productive beings...

Our mind puts limits on what we can feel, experience, and physically do.

Certain situations call for these to be taken away or removed forcibly such as ingesting psychedelics. Meditation can achieve similar results, but psychedelics can work as a powerful catalyst if the individual is receptive to it.
 
It is a powerful way of removing filters our brains put in place to allow us to be functional productive beings...

Our mind puts limits on what we can feel, experience, and physically do.

Certain situations call for these to be taken away or removed forcibly such as ingesting psychedelics. Meditation can achieve similar results, but psychedelics can work as a powerful catalyst if the individual is receptive to it.

Perfect.
 
i dont know how to quote in that fancy designated box, but....

i really dig, and can relate to what you're saying jamaica. Especially when you said that by claiming to have a concrete understanding of the absolute essence of creation overlooks the fallibility of humanity and promotes a lack of humility...frickin deja vu, i'm always saying that quote when it comes to religious discussion.

to me the quest of spiritual connection lies not in books' representations of the divine...but rather the quest itself is the destination for me....i find spirituality in my life, and everyday i understand the vastness and profoundity of my place, as well as the larger picture that i'm a part of.

it always seemed arrogant and almost blasphemous, to assume one understands the vastness of eternity, or the vastness of creation from the small window of the human mind....

i do 'commune with nature' though...despite the more psychological take i posted on originally. I do receive insight from things which don't speak, and to me, from my observations, there really is a 'higher form of reality'...which is accessible through meditations or psychedelics. this higher form, is all encompassing of what 'we see' everyday.....

i always liked how (i believe oaxacan) shamans put it......"like in a shadow, one can make out the form of the body, but cannot understand or experience it's full 3d depth...this is how our reality is...this is the shadow...the spirit realm is the full picture"

the way i see the world can match up perfectly even with the most scientific and scrutinizing of observers....however i often see, the other angle. while not pulling away from my coherent, solid, view of the world, this 'higher view' does give me actual information regarding the physical components which i previously hadn't understood.

i think the whole misconstruing of spiritual experience comes with thinking it's 'one or the other'...either it's this mystical cloud of faeries, or it's a biological pit of life and death. what i've learned though, is that it's both. 2 different ways to view the one experience in front of us.

i can sit in front of a tree and describe all the fairly mundane aspect...look, bark. look, leaves...look, roots. and if you're not an 'open minded' person, or a spiritualist to some degree, then all i will say is of the roots and the leaves....for it's the truth, i really do see the roots and the corporeal physical form. However, if i sit with you by a tree and you are open to 'mysticism' then i might have a 3 hr monologue regarding the feeling i feel from my experience of tuning into the essence of the tree. :D

maybe it's the same way mystical entities function........if you're closed minded they aren't gonna waste their time and energy to try and convince you of anything...but if you're tuned in, with according intentions...then there are libraries worth of information in front of you...and exponentially more 'beings' in front of you.

what i'm saying is maybe the trees are the faeries...maybe the woods are the elves...but on a different dimensional or perspective view. some people might lose touch with 'the real world' as you call it, from engaging these subtle energies and delving into this 'other view'....however, many people i know personally who are in touch with this 'other view', myself included, seem very coherent and capable to transversing the corridor between the 'higher view' and the 'mundane view' without turning into some loopy new-age kid.

just look at the shamans, though there are madman shamans, generally they hold a prestigious place in the community and are quite revered for their wisdom and ability to heal through gaining 'higher insight' though trance work.
 
Some of it may have to do with the fact that psychedelic experiences, and altered states of consciousness in general, tend to challenge our notion of reality - for perfectly obvious reasons (most of our sober existence does not really contain wildly morphing and fluid perception of otherwise solid objects etc.).

See this post, which quotes a German philosopher, Thomas Metzinger, whose work centres around the nature of our subjective experiences and consciousness:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=7023820&postcount=12

Another quote from Metzinger's 2009 book "The Ego Tunnel - The Science of Mind and the Myth of the Self" (which, really, any serious psychonaut should be reading: it includes out-of-body experiences, psychedelic drugs (and a progressive stance towards the moral questions that use of such substances give rise to), brain science, dreaming (including lucid). And best of all? It's written by a real, academic philosopher in close collaboration with brain scientists, and is aimed at giving the lay reader an introduction to modern thinking in these areas.

What would it be like to have the experience of living in many worlds at the same time, of genuine parallel realities opening up in your mind? Would there be parallel observers too? The One-World Problem is so simple that it is easily overlooked: In order for a world to a appear to us, it has to be one world first. For most of us, it seems obvious that we live our conscious lives in a single reality, and the world we wake up to every morning is the same world we woke up to the day before. Our tunnel is one tunnel; there are no back alleys, side streets, or alternative routes. Only people who have suffered severe psychiatric disorders or have experimented with major doses of hallucinogens can perhaps conceive of what it means to live in more than one tunnel at a time. The unity of consciousness is one of the major achievements of the brain: It is the not-so-simple phenomenological fact that all the contents of your current experience are seamlessly correlated, forming a coherent whole, the world in which you live your life. (p. 27 in the Basic Books 2010 paperback edition)
 
intense quotes... :) the one with the link especially

and from your post another question arises.....do these mystical experiences happen because our perception is working so hard to disprove what our egos think (ie challenging the notion of realitiy) that delusional experiences manifest...?

or on the other side of the same coin...does the second-guessing what we thought was real open the door to experiencing what's around us with less bias?

....or both...?

it seems that the same moment of potential opening is the 'potential root' of both the delusional experience, as well as the potential to 'see outside of our selves'. maybe when our energy reaches the point of over-flow one of the two happens depending on other factors....maybe enlightenment and insanity are 2 plates on the same table....or maybe door 1 and door 2 and on some level we're choosing, or haven chosen based on what we've done with ourselves and made ourselves out to be. Or MAybe the truth blinds some who see it....maybe many egos are crushed under the weight of Absolute......
:) you got me thinking...ramblin too, but pondering nonetheless.
 
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Go smoke 100x salvia and tell me there isn't another dimension or beings there kthnxbye. Why don you read on why people believe these things instead of bashing it and I hope you get thumbprinted so you can see your head isn't a video game buddy your mind is fragile and all-knowing your the type that never go far in the rabbi hole because u want to call it a game well when your lookin inside your head and you see true divine thoughts you'll know where I'm coming from.
 
life is a massive mystery. open your mind, anything is possible. look at the size of the universe for fuck sake, we're but grains of sand. we haven't got a fucking clue. the thought of invisible radio waves flying around in the air is crazy enough. who says there isn't other dimensions and things. to me, life is the video game, and there is something much deeper going on
 
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