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Psychedelics and the recovering addict

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So I am currently in intensive outpatient treatment for poly-drug addiction, namely alcohol, GHB, benzo's and various stimulants and so I am trying to stay away from all drugs.

I realize the drugs I was using were a dead end path and I do not want to go back to using them. I will miss alcohol mainly because it is so widely used but the others caused me too much pain. But if I were to stay away from drugs completely that means I wouldn't be able to take psychedelics, which kind of upsets me.

I know it wouldn't be the end of the world for me to never take LSD again, but I would like to. I feel like acid has never hurt me nor has the potential to hurt me like other drugs have.

Really all I am looking for by posting this is feedback from other addicts but I am also open to feedback from everyone. Thanks.
 
i suppose if you can put the flute up to your lips and it doesn't remind you of that lifestyle then you should go ahead and play the flute.. ;)

it is difficult to say - how long were you dependent? is this a life-long struggle with addiction where some people cannot touch even a glass of wine or be given painkillers without it rekindling some kind of addictive drive.. or were you strung out for a brief while and now have a better perspective..?

i have read many times about back when LSD was discovered and was legal to prescribe many people had benefits from the treatment including treatment for alcoholism and possibly other substance problems.. i think i see how it can steer one's mind away from things that are clearly detrimental to well being - you imagine being drunk and immediately realize that you feel better just being alive and well..

i had a brief stint of taking meth.. by the end i felt like i needed it.. but i quit using after a year or so and i haven't gone back in 10 years .. nothing can make me go back to speed - not any amount of LSD that's for sure..

let's see what other BLers have to say - i wish you well!
 
Now this may be one person who would benefit from my guide to psychoactives....

He wants to continue to take entheogenic drugs, but doesn't want to take anything harmful.

I would suggest you follow the guide below and only takes drugs such as San Pedro, Peyote, Ayahuasca, Iboga, Cannabis, etc.

I think an Iboga or Ayahuasca trip would be really good for you right now!

1) Does it come directly from natural sources? Is it a plant? Is it organic?
2) Does it have a long history of human usage? Has it been scientifically studied?
3) Does it's history of human usage and scientific study show that it is relatively safe and non-toxic?
4) Does it's history of human usage and scientific study show it to be non-addictive and non-habitat forming?
5) Does it's history of human usage show that it is an effective psychoactive?


*Notes- When you come upon a new psychoactive you are considering taking ask yourself the above questions…. If you can answer “yes” to all of the above questions then the psychoactive should be safe to ingest.
A “long” history of human usage is considered to be about 1000 years. The longer the better.
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I've had major problems with opiates/benzos/alcohol and tripping always made me realize that all of those drugs are bullshit, waste of money, don't make you happy, do more harm than good, etc. But that is just me, everyone is different.

If you were to trip again I would wait until some time has passed since you've done any of the other stuff you are addicted to. Only you can know when the time is right.
 
Thanks for the replies. ^^^ When I was using a lot, tripping would always give me the notion to stop using those drugs and live a healthier lifestyle but at that point I wasn't ready to give them up. And I agree, I do think it would be best to wait a while.
 
Acid make you see how you really feel about your life. If addiction is hurting you the trip will let you know you've done the right thing by quitting. It should not remind you of those drugs because its different on a base "feel good" vs "experience" reason for dosing.
 
I find that the difference between certain types of drugs are so astounding that you can't really put them under the same category. Psychedelics and dissociative, at least to me anyway, are drugs for your mind whereas the drugs you described are much more on a pleasure level.
I think you'd be fine, you've made the step of stopping so you have nothing to feel bad about and so the LSD won't make you feel bad. If anything you should be proud.
 
i am also curious about this, was addicted to alcohol and benzos and would like to trip again. my main concern is, the benzo withdrawal symptoms can take years to abate (if they ever do entirely) and i'm wondering how that would effect a trip? has anyone tripped after being addicted to benzos? i plan to wait a while more still.
 
I was poly-addicted for awhile as well, namely heroin and benzos. I've been clean 10 months and just recently embarked into the world of psychedelics.

The only thing I've noticed is occasionally at the comedown or the next day, I will wish I had more drugs. I use to get out of my head and away from the depression so when I come back to the real world, it can be hard to deal. If I hadn't been clean this long, I wonder if I would end up getting high again.
 
I know many people who have sworn off most drugs but not psychedelics. I don't know anyone who has relapsed and blames it on the decision to keep using psychedelics.

The big advice I would give is not to let yourself use them too often if you're worried about sliding back into polydrug abuse. Tripping every once in a while should be fine, but if you make it too regular of a thing, you might find yourself falling back into that "find something to get me intoxicated every day" mindset. Most LSD and other serotonergic psychedelic users don't have a big problem with this, in my experience.

Teo, I know you're trying to help, but no. Just no. Don't turn this into one of your stupid argument threads. Your list is not helpful for him - he already knows what drug he is talking about and wants advice about how taking it might affect his attempts to quit other drugs. In what universe would your list help him aside from telling him "no, don't take LSD since it's not natural"? I would certainly not recommend that a person struggling to overcome a poly drug addiction go try a bunch of new drugs, even if they are natural psychedelics and in your opinion safer than LSD (hah).
 
i never said anything was safer than LSD, LSD is one of the safest drugs known to man

but you dont get real LSD out on the street everytime now do you?

that is the difference and the reason I won't take LSD!

If albert hofmann made me some LSD I'd take it right away, but I'm not chancing getting some other bullshit on the street! and you know damn well that, that is a serious and real danger with LSD!

So LSD is not safer due to not being sure if your getting real LSD or not!
 
Again, I don't give a shit about your opinions on LSD. The OP posted about LSD and you copy-pasted your stupid list which pretty explicitly does not include LSD. Why would you bring up your list if you didn't intend for it to be applied at all to this discussion? Also, none of this explains why you found it appropriate to recommend to a recovering addict to try a bunch of new potent psychoactive drugs instead of one he's familiar with and is at least fairly confident will not affect his recovery in a negative way. That's just irresponsible. It wouldn't seem like such a big deal if you weren't a pompous prick all the time about how your safety and responsibility standards are so much better than everyone else's here. You are the last person that should be giving advice to anyone about drugs, IMO. Just look at what they've done to your cognitive capacity :\
 
im trying to abstain from being rude to teo anymore as it doesnt seem to accomplish anything (though i cant promise anything ;0 as im still pretty turned off by a lot of his comments)

as for your situation op, i was addicted to heroin and other opiates for several years and it wasnt until being clean for a time that i was able to enjoy psychs again (my previous love). id suggest taking a break from all drugs before trying lsd again.

personally id suggest mescaline for you case, lsd is good too, but mescaline is a very gentle and "kind" psychedelic.
 
I tried that for a few days, tried playing nice, then he attacked me on multiple threads. I figure if he is allowed to curse and scream and insult everyone he disagrees with, I can tell him to fuck off when he does so. :\

FWIW, I've once again changed my mind re: banning him. I'm all for it. He is a cancer.
 
It's a tough call - I continued doing drugs after quitting a long term opiate addiction - mainly psychedelics but with that comes other temptations. My advice is stay absolute straight clean for an extended period of time - maybe 12 months then see how you feel - the escapism factor mustn't be underrated. On a postive note I quit due to a revelation whilst on LSD & I haven't relapsed into addiction by any means. However my polydrug abuse has been pretty bad for over three years - take a long break & good luck
 
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I figure if he is allowed to curse and scream and insult everyone he disagrees with, I can tell him to fuck off when he does so.
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doesnt bother me

Why would you bring up your list if you didn't intend for it to be applied at all to this discussion?
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it does apply, LSD is hard to obtain and be sure that what you have is real, therefore its best to keep away from it altogether
 
Holy sweet mother of god.

Do you EVER listen, Teo? at all?...

I remember telling you in a different thread that LSD is one of the psychedelics which is least mislabeled because very few psychoactives are active at this dosage (ug - micrograms) and thus a psychoactive dose of most other drugs cannot be absorbed into a single blotter.

Only DOx and more obscure chemicals which are very unlikely to be sold as LSD.

There is safe, and then there is wearing a helmet to the grocery store.
 
You are an idiot. You've probably never even seen LSD, and you admit to having no god damn clue about RCs (on another thread yesterday or today you admitted having no idea what form they even come in and assumed based on one post that unlabeled air fresheners are the norm for acquiring them.... roflmao), but you still feel the need to pretend to be an expert.

Use or don't use whatever drugs you want, nobody here gives a rat's ass. Stop spreading misinformation about things you have very little knowledge of and posting arrogant, offensive and/or condescending ignorant bullshit about people who make different personal choices than you.

If you're not an arrogant prick who pisses off 90% of the drug community he comes into contact with like Teo, you typically get acid from a known, trusted source, not some random guy on the street. You clearly have derived all your knowledge of LSD from cherry picking information to justify your preconceived notion that all synthetics are inherently bad if you think it's difficult to get unadulterated acid or even that RC tabs are particularly common. In all my years of LSD use I have never once encountered a DOx or anything like it being sold as LSD. I don't even know anyone personally who has taken something else that was sold or given to them as acid.

I still dislike the idea of recommending new psychedelics to someone trying to quit most drugs after abuse of some pretty addictive ones. Seeking out new drug experiences, even fairly benign ones, is not a good way for a poly drug user to start his attempts to go clean. Ayahuasca in particular seems far too intense of a new drug experience to seek out for this kind of use if he just wants to be able to have an occasional psychedelic trip similar to ones he's already had. LSD is perfectly safe, your paranoia about DOx tabs is way overblown and he already has a much clearer idea of how it affects him and it is the kind of experience he wants. Those suggestions are fine for later on down the road if he feels comfortable with this 'psychedelics and nothing else' plan and is willing to branch out with more psychedelics and feels he can do so without feeling tempted to start branching out to old favorites in other drug categories as well, but it's not really helpful to his concerns right now. It's just you wanting to make this thread more about what you like to talk about.

I really wouldn't recommend mescaline if you're not already familiar with it, both for the reasons above and because it's chemically similar to amphetamines. Not everyone finds it stimulating, but some do. I wouldn't risk it right as you're trying to kick stimulants.

Random sidenote - I made the final decision to stop smoking cigarettes while on 2C-E and further 2C-E trips helped keep my resolve up during the difficult first couple weeks. Thanks, Dr. Shulgin! (:
 
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hmm, personally i find acid almost as stimulating as mescaline (not quite but close). also, from the original post stimulants were the last listed, before alcohol, ghb and benzos, so as far as i see it mescaline would be as good (though imo better than) acid.

i recomended mescaline because it is the most pleasant and least mind-bending of the traditional psychs (dont take that out of context, mescaline can still be pretty mind bending). but and i find it hard to see how anyone could have a "bad trip" on mescaline.

obviously thats just my opinion, lsd would be the second psychedelic id recommend (not to mention mescaline can be obtained "legally" ;))

id still suggest being drug free for a good amount of time, 12 months would be optimum as b9 suggested, but i think 6 would do just fine.

bbx4, have you made any decisions on what your planning to do yet? oh, and congrats for having the initiative to get clean.

as for the whole lsd debate going on here, there is a *very small* chance that you would get a dox chemical (though if you got it from a friend whose tried it that is next to none unless your friend is a retard), so basically you WILL be buying lsd you just wont know the concentration of lsd in each tab.
 
Not sure why the order of the list matters, and the OP mentioned he'd tried acid (at least implicitly when he talked about the idea of never taking it _again_) so I assume he knows how it affects him and doesn't feel it reminds him too much of stimulants. Mesc would probably be okay, but it's an unknown risk factor that LSD is not. No need for him to be branching out to new drugs when his primary goal is to stop being a polydrug user. I still think that, for the first few months of recovery at least, he should either take nothing or occasionally take a psychedelic he's already familiar with. After that, if he feels like branching out to other psychedelics, that would be the time to consider options like mesc, ibogaine, ayahuasca, etc. At any rate, mesc is harder to find than acid for most people unless he wants to extract his own from a cactus.
 
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