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Psychedelics and Paraphilia

irisdescence

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Has anyone here ever had an experience that changed something about what they desired/ allowed them to break through something that they felt was obstructing what they wanted? Or does anyone have any links to articles discussing such experiences?

I found this by Richard Alpert...clearly it didn't change his own behavior, but he at least wrote about it. (I'm not gay, but it's just an example of supposed changing of sexual behavior with LSD.)

http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/n10/n10021alp.pdf

An example would be pedophilia (I'm also not a pedophile; ) ); just ways of working through difficult (though legal and harmless) sexual things that might get in the way of a normal relationship.
 
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I have an experience that is relevant to this. It is a long story.

In 2008, I was near the end of my senior year of college when I started a relationship with a younger girl who was a freshman at the time (I was 20, very young for a graduating senior, and she was 19). I had not been in a committed monogamous relationship throughout all of college, choosing instead to lead a polyamorous lifestyle. When I entered a relationship with her, I explained this to her, and we agreed that if either of us ever felt the strong desire to open the relationship up, we'd at least talk about it.

After a month of being together, I took her to a rave and we both candyflipped for the first time. We had an unbelievable time and I decided that she should come to Burning Man with me (I had attended Burning Man for the first time in 2007 and I was planning on going again). I convinced her to go to Burning Man with me (not hard). I was also planning to travel to Hawaii after Burning Man, whereas she was going to go back to school, so we knew that after the festival, we'd be parting ways for at least several months. We planned all summer for Burning Man to be a sort of last hurrah for our summer together, after which we would wish each other well and go our separate ways.

At a Compression party (pre-Burning Man event centered around preparing for the festival) in July of that year, I was the only member of the group that we were going to the festival with who was NOT present, because I had a family event to attend the same weekend. I found out from a friend a couple weeks after the party that she had hooked up with one of our future campmates while they were both spun out on a heavy candyflip. I wasn't particularly bothered by the fact that it had happened, but I was curious to know why she hadn't told me, so I asked. She became very upset and explained that she didn't want to hurt me and she was ashamed of what she did and afraid that it would make me angry. I explained that her honesty meant more to me than her mistakes, and that next time I just wanted her to ask me first if it was OK. She had been under the impression that I was friends with the guy she'd hooked up with, and that we all had a mutual understanding that it was OK. In reality I had never met him (and I did not meet him until Burning Man actually happened). I decided not to let it bother me and went on with our relationship as if nothing had happened.

At Burning Man, after a week of craziness, me and her had saved our acid tolerance for the night the Man burned. I took 3 hits and she took 2 and we started tripping watching the Man burn. We then went back to camp and had earthshattering sex. Like, I mean completely insane peaking-on-acid divine-archetypes-merging-in-holy-ecstacy type all-out fucking. I had never had sex that good in my entire life. It profoundly affected me.

We were still tripping pretty hard when we got out of the tent, and I decided to go dance, while she hung out next to the dance floor. She happened to run into our campmate who she'd hooked up with once back in July. After a little while of hanging out with him (he was rolling that night), she came up to me and explained that he was having a lackluster night, and that since I had already clearly had all my sexual needs met that night and was having a great time dancing (and this was absolutely true), she wanted my permission to brighten him up a bit by taking him aside somewhere and (I assumed) making out with him a bit, giving him some sort of small sexual favor, that sort of thing. I balked, and she promised not to have sex with him as a concession to the fact that I was her primary partner, the man she came home to. I figured it would be OK as long as it was clear that I was more important than he was, and told her it was OK.

15 minutes later I started getting antsy and realized I'd made a mistake. 30 minutes later I started to get really upset. At 45 minutes, I was absolutely furious with her and I was convinced that she had utterly broken her promise. As it turns out, I was right. When I confronted her later that night, she completely fell apart and confessed that she had in fact had sex with him, as well as several other things. We were both in REALLY bad shape at this point, because we were confronted with the seemingly self-evident fact that she was, in reality, a terrible person who had blatantly lied to the person who mattered most to her in the world at that point in time. She was convinced of it and she could not stop beating herself up about it ... and as much as I didn't want to believe it, it seemed obviously true.

Then something happened in my head, something she said somehow got through to me, and I realized what had really happened. What I had been afraid of the whole time was that she had lied to me about how she felt about me, and about who she was, and that instead of being this wonderful person, she was a selfish, dishonest brat who had lied to me about what she wanted so I would give her permission to cheat. What I realized is that she had actually done what she had done FOR HIM, and that she still did love me, and had seen that I didn't need any more love from her that night but that someone else did, so she had asked permission from me to try to make the world a better place by showing someone else what a truly loving sexual encounter was like. That kind of dedication spoke to me, and I felt that I'd never known someone so wonderful as her. It was like she was a young, inexperienced nymph who was only just starting to understand how to help the world with her sexuality, and I just happened to be there to see her make her first mistake in pursuit of this ultimately pure mission.

Anyway, that was effectively the end of our relationship, but it was the best end it could've had. We both came away from the relationship feeling as if we'd learned an immense amount about ourselves, and feeling that we were better people for it. We're still good friends, although we're not in touch very much anymore.

We were ALL spun out as shit for the entire episode, obviously. It could never have happened without LSD. And I'm really lucky that I was open-minded enough to see it differently in the end. It could've been terribly, unendingly shitty, and I'm certain that it would've been for most guys. I just happened to be mentally and emotionally flexible enough to let it completely change my worldview and my view on sex altogether.

Now I recognize my emotional limits a bit more, and I'm in a more strictly monogamous relationship with a different girl. I'd never make the same choices in my current relationship, nor do I think I'd ever be faced with them in the first place. But at Burning Man '08 I definitely got a taste of a completely new way of thinking about sex, and it only happened because I was tripping balls.
 
I have an experience that is relevant to this. It is a long story.

I think the OP's question may have been directed more towards paraphilia than polyamory...? Paraphilia being it's own particular can of worms.... :\

Wish I had some good advice for you, iridescence. It's a tough topic. Kudos for at least asking - integration and resolution of these tangled threads of eros is a very daunting task, so much so that most people seem to either repress it completely or dive in head first, no questions asked...

Abundant patience and a sense of humor will be required if progress is to be made :) <3
 
I know someone who while tripping on acid realised they were a transsexual. Kind of a game-changer in a relationship as this person was with a gay man at the time....awkward....:) No idea how it turned out for them as we've gone our own ways.
 
There was a thread a while back in Ecstasy Discussion about cross-dressing on MDMA. Have a look...

My own atittude to sexuality is very fluid; I would consider myself bisexual. Psychedelics didn't really give me that knowledge as such; but its allowed me to act out with certain close friends and acquaintances in ways I may have once felt guilty about. Tripping also highlights sensuality to me, so nearly anything can be viewed with sexual desire. This, of course, must be kept in check by what we hope is a working system of ethical decisions....and, whilst I've been with girls younger then me, and with close male friends in an even closer way ;), I wouldn't trangress certain boundaries.

That said, I don't have much concern over repressing sexuality; obviously certain things, such as pedophillia is disgraceful- or any sexual act where consent is either not given, or given by someone deluded/unaware- but I've had fun with girls under the legal age, and close male friends over the legal age. Besides breaking the law, there is nothing wrong with sexual behaviour if it does not harm anyone. There is a very vague line that we must all draw in order to assess and pre-assess our actions. I tend to disreagrd legal or societal standards, and look into whether my actions, in attempting to gratify myself, are wrong or right. Even if I conclude I am not doing wrong, I don't always act.

Sexuality is a continuum, not a distinctly divided cluster of behaviours.
 
You're not the only one. I myself am gay (err, well, pansexual). I notice that on LSD I seem to be extremely more sexual and more touchy-touchy.

This is actually really odd, but I actually logged on just to post a thread on this exact topic. 8o
 
I think the OP's question may have been directed more towards paraphilia than polyamory...? Paraphilia being it's own particular can of worms.... :\

I read the Wiki entry on paraphilia and it sounded vague enough to include something like that, but maybe I didn't understand it very well.
 
Thanks for all the responses. My particular paraphilia is one which many don't believe exists, and it's much debated, but it seems to fit me. Autogynephilia- the love of oneself as a woman, which (in my opinion) is a motivation for transsexualism. And yeah it's embarrassing, as I'm attracted to women but also have an intense sexual desire to be a woman in a sense, and it's led to some very difficult relationships. Outwardly I'm a pretty normal, masculine, driven guy, but this urge, particularly looked at under the microscope of LSD, has really made me question what I am.

Interestingly- I've tripped probably ~10 times, and at least half of those (the solo trips) have led to very strange sexual experiences with a sensation of physical body transformation and lots and lots of closed eye female sexual imagery. Shit gets weird: ).
 
^ Ah, well it could be much worse. I was expecting something more like a weird fetish for wheelchairs or toothpaste or quadriplegics... a misguided desire.

It sounds to me like you're just of fluid gender identity - 'pandrogynous' - and there's definitely nothing wrong with that! I personally would not consider your case a paraphilia that needs to be resolved and cast off, but an aspect of your identity to be integrated and brought into balance with the rest of it. It's a gift, not a curse!

I also do not think it will inherently create relationship problems. You just need to find a more open-minded girl who is not caught up in repressive notions of binary gender roles. :)
 
i've actually got very similar issues, iris. fictionmania, spells r us, etc? i don't like talking about it too openly since it is a verrrry unusual personality trait. i typically just deal with it by dressing more provocatively and trying to be more beautiful in a masculine way. i too am only really attracted to women however.

psychedelics have definitely helped me to embrace these mental urges and to integrate it into myself in a way that is both positive and socially acceptable. because the only way that i'd ever want to live out these fantasies would be in a way that is 100% reversable... and honestly, cross dressing just isn't my thing. so yeah, it all remains completely as a mental fantasy, and psychedelics definitely help with those! =D

PM me if you want/need to brother.
 
Thanks for all the responses. My particular paraphilia is one which many don't believe exists, and it's much debated, but it seems to fit me. Autogynephilia- the love of oneself as a woman, which (in my opinion) is a motivation for transsexualism. And yeah it's embarrassing, as I'm attracted to women but also have an intense sexual desire to be a woman in a sense, and it's led to some very difficult relationships. Outwardly I'm a pretty normal, masculine, driven guy, but this urge, particularly looked at under the microscope of LSD, has really made me question what I am.

That doesn't sound like transsexualism; rather, it sounds like you identify your gender as "female" (whatever that means). This is actually REALLY common, in fact, most cross dressers are straight males.
 
Thanks for all the responses. My particular paraphilia is one which many don't believe exists, and it's much debated, but it seems to fit me. Autogynephilia- the love of oneself as a woman, which (in my opinion) is a motivation for transsexualism. And yeah it's embarrassing, as I'm attracted to women but also have an intense sexual desire to be a woman in a sense, and it's led to some very difficult relationships. Outwardly I'm a pretty normal, masculine, driven guy, but this urge, particularly looked at under the microscope of LSD, has really made me question what I am.

Interestingly- I've tripped probably ~10 times, and at least half of those (the solo trips) have led to very strange sexual experiences with a sensation of physical body transformation and lots and lots of closed eye female sexual imagery. Shit gets weird: ).

It exists. In extreme cases it's led to cases like Anne Lawrence, who let autogynephilia take over and had sex reassignment surgery. (I guess now Anne can indulge in autogynephilia). This disorder is radically different than transsexualism because as you say you identify as a bloke but have a sexual desire to be female (not that there is anything wrong with that) but transsexuals actually identify as the opposite gender from their birth sex.
 
It exists. In extreme cases it's led to cases like Anne Lawrence, who let autogynephilia take over and had sex reassignment surgery. (I guess now Anne can indulge in autogynephilia). This disorder is radically different than transsexualism because as you say you identify as a bloke but have a sexual desire to be female (not that there is anything wrong with that) but transsexuals actually identify as the opposite gender from their birth sex.

Sex and gender are two totally different things. Transsexuals don't identify as an opposite gender, as this would classify them a transgender person (whatever transgender is :\).

These misconceptions are common, though. Haha. :)
 
It's my belief that sex and gender aren't entirely separate things. The two are so interwoven that you can't really say this is gender and this is sex- your sexuality is fundamentally affected by your gender, and your gender is fundamentally affected by your sexuality, but when your sexuality becomes a sexual fixation on gender so much so that you allow it to shape your gender (and both gender and sexuality exist on a malleable spectrum) it really blurs the lines between the two.

I believe that my desire to be female is a sexual thing, but the idea of becoming a woman also is very spiritually uplifting because it would allow me to be myself sexually, and repressing sexuality hasn't worked out too well for me. There have also been studies with transsexuals who believed that they were born women etc etc but when they were read phrases about women's clothing or typical autogynephiliac behaviors they did have a sexual response. So I don't think it's as cut and dry- in my case, I think I have a lot of underlying, hidden female characteristics coupled with an intense autogynephiliac desire, and the two together lead me to believe that I would be happier in a lot of ways as a woman, if only because it would free me from a lot of traditional male macho bullshit and allow me to have more powerful sexual experiences.

And I've read Anne Lawrence's writings, but it's still debatable whether autogynephilia exists, or whether it's a more complicated line of reasoning whereby gender gets tied up with sexuality and expressed as the most powerful physical desire that exists because the body and mind want so badly to be the supposed female identity beneath the outside shell.

I personally do believe it's real, but it's difficult because there really hasn't been that much research into it. It really does affect all my psychedelic explorations, however, and I'd really like to be able to integrate or repress that part of myself so I can have more rewarding trips:P.
 
It's my belief that sex and gender aren't entirely separate things. The two are so interwoven that you can't really say this is gender and this is sex- your sexuality is fundamentally affected by your gender, and your gender is fundamentally affected by your sexuality, but when your sexuality becomes a sexual fixation on gender so much so that you allow it to shape your gender (and both gender and sexuality exist on a malleable spectrum) it really blurs the lines between the two.

Of course you're welcome to believe whatever you want, but I feel that this part of your post isn't entirely true. Sex is a condition that is directly related to your biology, whereas gender is made of social-constructs and is also more of a psychological component of one's psyche, as well.

This is all too true, as one's sex can be male while simultaneously identifying their gender as female and vice versa.

For myself, my sex is male, but I identify my gender as very fluid.

And I've read Anne Lawrence's writings, but it's still debatable whether autogynephilia exists, or whether it's a more complicated line of reasoning whereby gender gets tied up with sexuality and expressed as the most powerful physical desire that exists because the body and mind want so badly to be the supposed female identity beneath the outside shell.

I personally do believe it's real, but it's difficult because there really hasn't been that much research into it. It really does affect all my psychedelic explorations, however, and I'd really like to be able to integrate or repress that part of myself so I can have more rewarding trips:P.

I also think it exists, but... the term in some situations seems to be tied up with cross-dressing. Honestly, I'm not even too sure if cross-dressing exists, how can one cross-dress?

EDIT- I say you do your own thing and dress however you want; of course, this is definitely easier said than done.
 
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Malice, sex and gender can easily be distinguished. That doesn't make them divorced. They profoundly influence each other. Most individuals invested in the social sciences tend to propagate your view for the sake of political expediency rather than intellectual rigor. Be careful what you buy into.
 
Malice, sex and gender can easily be distinguished. That doesn't make them divorced. They profoundly influence each other. Most individuals invested in the social sciences tend to propagate your view for the sake of political expediency rather than intellectual rigor. Be careful what you buy into.

My sex is male- tell me how this inherently influences what my gender will be.
 
I would consider autogynephilia more of an identity question whereas most things I would associate with paraphilia would be a simple fetish relationship to an outside object. The latter is a lot easier to psychoanalyze; typically, the fetish is a defense mechanism to keep sexual or intimate encounters from becoming "too real" and impeding on some unresolved trauma or insecurity. Gender identity is, IMHO, a much more complicated field and not one I feel comfortable reducing to such a simplistic explanation. I think it's something that psychedelics can definitely help you explore. It sounds like you have a very healthy relationship to your sexual identity - maybe I'm misreading from just a couple forum posts but it seems like you're exploring yourself to come to an understanding, as opposed to worrying about whether there's something wrong with you that needs to be 'fixed', which is great.

I highly recommend the works of Judith Butler if you want to explore these issues further intellectually. She is a gender theorist who talks about the difference between the physical sex of the body and the way gender is 'performed' in our daily lives and constructed in our society. Gender Trouble is a good place to start.

As a Lacanian I want to recommend Julia Kristeva for an interesting feminist reading of psychoanalysis, but I don't know how accessible the relevant parts of her work would be to someone who hasn't studied psychoanalysis.
 
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