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Psychedelics and Bipolar Disorder

Mr-Tambourine-Man

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So I'm diagnosed Bipolar and I definately exhibit all the symptoms, but I'm wondering which came first the chicken or the egg, psycedelics or mental disorder. It has become hard to sort it all out though I believe I experienced these symptoms before heavy drug use. Can anyone else relate to the following and what are your opinions...?

I'm not completely sure what the term Bipolar means because disorders seem so individualized and the subjective experience of having them is so hard to express. However, I know I'm hyperactive and kind of "off." I'm unbelievably talented at and exclusively fixated on the certain things that interest me (with me any actual interest will inevitably result in knowing all there is to know about it, being the best at it, etc...). I'm pretty much godawful at everything else.



I seem to have three stages...



Stage 1 - I lack focus and am always failing miserably in any area of my life that doesn't immediately interest me. I'm fidgety, my thoughts race, my emotions (when I have any) seem entirely mental, so tied up in all these thoughts that I feel completely disconnected from them... Not fun.



Stage 2 - I also have what are referred to as hypomanic episodes. This is when the chaotic mental mess that is my daily thought process becomes magically untangled, and while my thoughts are probably still racing, they feel much, much slower because they are so sharp, so orderly, and I'm able to efficiently acknowledge and reflect on each one before letting it pass.



During hypomanic episodes I have always been the ultimate alpha male; witty, magnetic, efficient, goal oriented, charming... Basically I'm the kind of person everyone looks up to and wants as a friend. Not bragging, it is more of a weird symptom than a character trait.



I'm also very creative in this phase. It is amazing how creativity is the key to success, not only in art, but in relationships and everyday life.



However, creativity, my great passion, is also very dangerous for me. A fruitful writing binge, thought provoking movie, performance I happen to give, project I undertake, or even a particularly stimulating conversation... can all turn a hypomanic phase into a manic phase.



Stage 3 - I've identified what triggers my mania, but I'm not sure anyone else would understand. I have to avoid these triggers but they are exactly what seem to make life worth living.

Certain ideas seem to have mysterious, unexplainable "feel." These ideas are always connected in some way to the great mystery of existence.



They pull me in like Eve to the apple. They are exciting, tempting and scary. These ideas, if entertained too long, will trigger mania. I can't watch 2001: A Space Odyssey, read the passages of certain poets, or debate religion (i.e. the problem of divine predestination being in oppositon to free will) without feeling the high come on. Don't get me around a pastor!



This mania is frightening. I become very convinced that I'm experiencing a higher state of consciousness. It escalates and my thoughts become more and more stimulating.



I feel I understand something incredible, something there are no words for... but somehow I HAVE to tell everyone. I have to make them see as I do. The evolution of the human spirit depends on everyone opening their eyes but everyone seems so comfortable remaining blind!!!!



I feel like Paul Revere screaming, "The british are coming..." The sense of urgency and excitement is overwhelming. For years I used drugs not only to medicate myself but as a way to reach out to other people, to try and light things up for them (no pun intended) so they might see as I did.



You see, as exciting as it is, mania is the most desperate, and urgent feeling of bottomless loneliness I can imagine. It feels as if a heartless, foreign God has revealed himself to me and is taking me away and leaving behind everyone and everything I can relate to. I want people to come along, but I feel I have to trick them, to tempt them as I was tempted, and it makes me feel, well, evil.



In this state I make everyone crazy and ruin everything then collapse into the first stage where I can't begin to repair damage from the third because I'm so lethargic, scatterbrained and guilt-ridden and everything seems so flat.

Usually the end of mania finds me in the hospital or wherever I end up recuperating. Once I'm hypomanic I can start life again, better than ever, and do it all over again.



The medication I take for this disorder doesn't prevent mania and hypomania. I still have episodes every few months (I'm never not in one unless I'm recuperating). They build and build and slowly shift into one another, slowly, slowly and then all at once. On medication, however, actual mania is rather short lived but it is still enough to ruin my life.



It is only during the shift to or from mania that I ever realize I'm bipolar.



The rest of the time I just believe I'm taking these funny pills that don't seem to do anything out sheer of habit. I can never remember what mania feels like unless I'm experiencing it. It is like deja vu in that sense.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? Is this actually bipolar disorder and if not then what?
 
I have adhd severely and bi polar which isn't as bad. As a kid i used to have depression more so than others kids at that age, but only briefly and on rare occasions. I started smoking pot pretty regularly and doing other drugs on occasion at 20. I've always been bright, learning quickly anything that interested me. My mind is feels like waiting for a train to pass with a cargo of endless thoughts, racing. I was outgoing and always one step ahead of the conversation, keeping me witty. I over analyzed everything, but as depression set in more and more, i started over analyzing conversations, and then myself. My brain continued racing but now was scattered and unclear, looping senseless thoughts and thinking in the past. I took a huge cut down on how much pot i was smoking first turning 22, psychedelics being my doc, taking shrooms and acid when life brought them to me, but i never felt they had any negative effects on my psychological health, unlike my feelings for E, instead helping me sort out my issues. I believe each unique individual i had a conversation would change my brains way of responding. i now thought of myself as weird. I was never hospitalized but when mania turned from things i was doing that were out there, into the way i was thinking inside, it was awful. I think medication for some people with some of these conditions such as bi polar and adhd arent for everyone, i myself hated them after taking them for 10+ years and quitting time and again, last being at age 20, but I've started treating myself again. I hope i dont always have to be on it, but coming to terms that i can't just being completely free and am better off on it for now. I wrote all this because you sound similar to what i was feeling and the psyche.
 
Do you feel like you dont want to be this amazing person sometimes? My depression sort of comes from the fact i'm not doing the things i want and leting my ego run me, i have times where i am perfect (like you say how people want to be) and where i believe i am the most amazing thing in the world because i can have these experiences. but what gets me is i cant decide wether or not thats me. its so confusing.

I get this million thoughts a second, i try to meditate to slow them down, but something inside screams no when i try this, i cant tell wether its my ego or the thing thats keeping me on track so i'm scared to ignore it. which depresses me because i know fear is a pathetic reaction that has limited me my whole life.

Basically my whole problem is if i have no fear i have no limits, but i dont know if i'll just be a failure going around thinking everything is perfect when its not.

Shit i'm crazy :P I think Bipolar makes you want to be perfect, but noone knows what perfect is so you create different ways to get to perfect, then they get confused and you end up with this muge mess of thought, highs, lows.

Ialso completely understand your three stages, and stage 1 is more prominent in me.
 
I fucking love bipolar its shit!

But I was diagnosed with it, I don't like diagnosis' but I am aware that something is not right. I think I triggered the early onset with excessive cannabis and benzo usage. I don't use either of them anymore. Psychedelics have helped me feel better about myself and get in control of my life since I started using them, and I will continue to use them for this. Sometimes though certain psyches do make my thoughts feel very schizophrenic (DOC mainly) but other times at the same dose are the best 'teachers' to me.
Since I was VERY young I had obsessions about drugs, before I had even had my first alcoholic drink, I don't know how to explain that one. Anyone have any idea?
 
Sidthesloth, I can deeply relate. When your perception of the world can shift so drastically on a dime it is hard to know who you really are. I once watched 'I'm Not There On" LSA and began really obsessing over these things. Bad experience.
 
(Bipolar I) I would say the successful trips I've had were while in a good, but "normal" mood state. I never found any psychedelic (dissociatives are definitely a different story, always mania-inducing) to be a trigger of an episode.

There's no hope of a psychedelic bringing me out of a depressive episode. I get all the desired effects with a shadow over it. It's not better or worse than the crappiness I already feel, just different.

Taking a psychedelic manic is asking for it. I cannot put into words how devastating it is to my reality to have my ego softened or destroyed during this state of mind. It does not bode well...

These are all based on the frequency of occurrence. Bipolar or not, the outcome of any given psychedelic experience may be of enormous to little magnitude and of severe consequences to great benefits. To be honest, I have not quite associated the mood cycle-shifting effects after a psychedelic experience with any really consistent result. I can understand why some would disagree with me, but in MY case, I don't really see psychedelics as having more potential to damage your mental health status compared to a stable person when used correctly for that individual. In my eyes, it's more than possible for a bipolar guy to be just fine after tripping while the quintessential sane man completely loses it... Different people, different experience, different outcome.
 
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