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Psychedelic Tolerance - Help!

Dianna

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I have always turned to the Bluelight Forums if I ever needed to know anything about drugs, and I have read many posts on a large variety of subjects. However, I have just created an account (note - this is my first post) because I have a sincere problem with psychedelic tolerance. Some information. I am a female in her early twenties, and I have smoked cannabis for a number of years. I have never had any sort of psychedelic experience with cannabis, and my friends have always remarked on how sober I am even after I've smoked several grams of high-grade bud. I even had a dozen+ dabs one night, and still, no real mental change other than giddiness and some bodily sensations (pressure, tingles, etc.). I smoke because it calms me down and makes me happy, not because it truly gets me high.

Ok, so on to the point. I've recently started experimenting with psychedelics, and by recently, I mean the past 6 months or so. I've tried shrooms, LSD, NBOMe, and 2c-P.

I've done shrooms 3 times, and it they have by far been my best experiences. I've done 1.75 grams, 2 grams, and then 3 grams. Each time, I felt a strong surge of euphoria and "bounciness," but while my friends were seeing visuals and hallucinating, I was not. In fact, besides the absurd grin on my face and my incredibly dilated pupils, I was fit for public interaction. However, the euphoria made me completely relaxed, and I wasn't bothered by the fact that I wasn't tripping because I was, well, euphoric. So it wasn't like I was demanding anything of the trip. I was just sitting by the side of a lake smiling and semi-dozing off. But still, I wanted more. So, I turned my sights to acid. I took two tablets of LSD at the same time, each at 100mcg, and once again, nothing. Some physiological effects, but no effortless visuals. I thought it was just bad acid, but my friend took some from the same batch and tripped really hard. I took NBOMe THINKING it was acid (I got it from a guy I didn't know and never went to again), but when it numbed my tongue and starting effecting me after 15 minutes, a quick google search was all I needed to find out what it was. This drug had more negative physiological effects, and for the first 5 minutes I had some mild visual distortions, but after that, nada.

The 2c-P is actually a bad story, and I'd appreciate it if you don't judge me for it. I took a 16mcg cap, as did my friend, and we waited. After 2 hours, we both had severe nausea, but once that passed, she was tripping really hard. She had total ego-loss, really insane visuals, and was basically a blob on her bed for 6 hours. Me? Well, The wood pattern on my dresser moved a bit, and that was cool, but other than that, nothing. After another hour, I was VERY frustrated, and just couldn't understand why I couldn't trip. I was in the right frame of mind, I wasn't trying to fight it - hell, after I waited calmly for a few hours for it to set it, I began actively trying to induce it. But still, I couldn't. The physiological effects were super harsh (chills, muscle weakness, nausea, etc.), and I didn't want to go through all of that for nothing. So what did I do? I took another 16mcg cap. So, that was 16mcg initially, and then another 16mcg after 3 hours, bringing my total up to 32mcg. For the record, that's not a safe dosage. Don't try it, it was a terrible mistake. I had to take 3 Xanax because I KNEW it was too high of a dose and started freaking out, and my heart rate skyrocketed. For about 8 hours, I was wracked with nausea, chills, sweats, a rapid and unsteady heartbeat, and I went through all of this.... WITHOUT VISUALS! If 32mcg of 2c-P couldn't make me trip, what will?

For the TL;DR - I'm not on anti-depressants, no SSRI's or anything medication at all. I've heard of people having a tolerance to a specific psychedelic, but not across the board. Google search gave me nothing. Does anybody have any ideas about what the HELL could be going on? I want to trip, but I can't. Once again, the quality of the drugs is not in question, and I'm not on medications, and I'm certainly not trying to fight the effects. Could it be an unconscious response? I'm very mentally resilient, and I'm always the one to take care of my friends when we do drugs because they simply effect me less. Other than opinions as to what could be the problem, does anybody have any suggestions for drugs that MIGHT be able to make me trip? I've been hearing good things about DMT.
 
This may not be a very reassuring answer, but it may just be you have a very high natural tolerance. I've encountered plenty of people who are very sensitive to psychs, and though I dunno anyone personally who is completely immune, it seems like a (rare) possibility. Shit happens eh.
 
If you ever did want to try higher dosages to blow the veil off your possible natural tolerance and your certainly existent mental resilience, I would go with either LSD or mushrooms.

It's not unnatural that some people have a higher tolerance than others. I need less than anything than my smaller, lighter friend, while my girlfriend usually needs about a quarter of what I need to reach the same place. It's all speculative of course, but I personally think some unconscious mental resistance might have something to do with it. But then again, couldn't say for sure.

By the way, something I feel needs stressing: psychedelics are not all about the visuals. In many ways, visual alterations might even distract from the real transformative effects that psychedelics have to offer. Are you experiencing no change in perception of any kind, no changed thought processes, no alterations in mood or emotion either?
 
If you're not getting visuals on 32mg of 2C-P (which, yeah, is an insanely high dose) then I doubt you'll get them on anything. Maybe try DMT, if you're up for it.
 
Welcome to bluelight!
I'd give the LSD another shot. Who knows if it was actually 100mcg acid. I've taken 3 '100mcg' hits before and not felt much - the dosage varies a lot in different tabs.
I agree 30mg 2c-p is an insane dosage but then again 2c-p is notoriously idiosyncratic and unpredictable
Try acid again, just take a lot more ;)


edit: also as said above perhaps DMT if this doesn't work - I think you would genuinely be one of a kind to not get visuals from that...
 
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It could just be some natural tolerance, but...

This reminds me of something Grof said in LSD psychotherapy. Basically that certain personality types require different dosages.
You say that you 'mentally resilient' and from this it could be that you aren't able to let go enough to induce the psychedelic experience. Personally I have found that the more I use psychedelics the less of a dose I need to gain any particular effect. I don't think this is due to anything like a reverse tolerance or anything, more that I know how to get myself in the right mindset to have an experience.

More than that I think if you believe strongly enough that it won't do anything, you will end up ignoring what you are experiencing, as you it isn't what you believe 'should' be happening. There is no should and the importance of set in psychedelic drug use can not be overstated.

Also, what is it about visuals that interest you so much? It is only a very small aspect of the psychedelic experience as a whole and if anything can often get in the way of the other aspects
 
Thank you to all of the people who responded, I know that my case is certainly an unusual one.

To clarify, I do experience certain mental effects, although of course it's hard to objectively gauge them. I don't think as clearly, I have mood changes, deep levels of introspection, the environment certainly seems "off," and my thoughts are much more scattered - but there aren't any real differences in my thought patterns. My state of mind is so similar to sobriety that when I focus and try to function normally, I'm perfectly capable of doing so (even during the absurd 2c-p dosage). On the flipside, I've always been more sensitive to the physical side effects. I almost always throw up, and I've speculated that its my body's way of trying to fight off the drugs.

I had a really profound emotional experience with mushrooms, and LSD was very cerebral for me. So I certainly enjoy psychedelics for their non-visual properties, and I plan to continue experimenting with them, even if I have no success on the visuals aspect. But, let's be honest. Most people do psychedelics to trip, yes? The attractiveness of them is the ability to break from reality, to have the world alter to something else, to experience fantasy as if it were reality. I really, really want to be able to experience that. It's not just about seeing cool things, it's about being able to truly see the world as if it were something else. I do wonder if my nausea is caused by some mental inability to accept an 'altered' world. I guess the thing that really concerns me (and prompted me to post here) is that nobody, no matter how mentally 'tough', should be able to 'fight off' a trip induced by 32mg of 2c-p. And I assure you, there was no error in measurement, the dosage was measured on a very sensitive scale.

I definitely want to keep trying with acid though ;) But, if DMT and ridiculously strong doses of acid don't work, I'll just consider 'tripping' a lost cause. :(
 
Don't know if this helps any, but I know plenty of people who tried ayahuasca >10 times before they really had any visions. I've done aya four times at separate occasions (think Santo Daime, Peruvian Jungle, Dutch countryside) and never really had proper ayahuasca visions - none of the visual stuff either. For some people it comes immediately, for others it takes some time.

And as Disconnect says: sometimes you just need to get sensitized to its effects, no matter how absurd that seems. I wouldn't give up yet if I were you. :)
 
Some people just don't really get visuals. For most, that isn't really the main reason for or effect of tripping. The euphoria, introspection, giddiness, etc etc are what many people are looking for. Don't get me wrong, the visuals are a nice aspect that most people enjoy as well, but hardly the main event. Also I'm unsure as to what types of visual effects you're expecting. Usually there is some melting, warping of things in your visual field, but "true hallucinations," that is, seeing objects that aren't actually there are not a normal effect & something most people never experience.

Another thing that might be worth trying would be to close your eyes or use eye shades, lay down, listen to some tunes & direct your attention inward. This is basically the classic psychedelic psychotherapy method, & you can find plenty of info on it here & elsewhere on the web. The writings of Stanislov Grof & the online version of The Secret Chief (i believe both are linked on the MAPS.org website) would be great places to start. The eyes closed visual effects are a different animal altogether from their open eye counterparts. They can be quite immersive & interesting. Hope that helps!
 
Yeah I'm kinda like that. I do get visuals, but it's always some alteration to the world and colors (and a bit of wavy/pulsy-ness..). Not the infinite fractals kind of thing, I only get that when I'm on the upper end of doses. I can attest that at least in my case DMT works really well though (doesn't seem diminished from other people's experiences), so that's something you should definitely look in to.

It's the most annoying thing really, because my drug buddy is REALLY sensitive. He's always out of his mind while I'm just sitting there, looking with envy at what he might be experiencing. It's also why my solo-trips are that much superior to when I'm with people, it's way more visual and active for me.
 
My advice: Stick to LSD for a while, it's non-toxic so you can titrate up to high doses without endangering your health. Use Ehrlich's reagent to make sure you have the real thing. Try a 200 ug dose again, and if it's not enough for you, wait a couple of weeks and try a 300 ug dose. If that's not enough, wait a couple of weeks and try 400 ug... etc. Stop when you reach the level that suits you best.

One more thing I'll stress: In my experience, psychedelic visuals are very much subject to "reverse psychology". If I go into my trip thinking "This is gonna be so cool, I can't wait to see the awesome visuals!" I'm much more likely to be disappointed. The best experiences are those in which I find some other activity to distract me, so that when the full effects do hit they actually seem surprising and novel again.
 
OP, I'm with you. I as well extremely rarely see patterns, fractals, things like that. My last full-on mushroom trip had maybe some shifting, other than that, it was completely clear-headed and clear-eyed. It's never bothered me, though, what with the spiritual things happening. Why does it bother you?
 
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