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Esoteric Psychedelic Ideas and Revelations Inaction

I have to say that I absolutely LOVE this thread.
I did psychedelics for the first time last year and have done them about a handful of times since then. LIFE CHANGING. I personally believe they made me into a better person, and made me want to spread it throughout the world. I can't believe how similar these posts are to how I feel! It's almost frustrating when people think of PD's as a "hard drug" or a drug that makes you "lose your marbles" because these are people who have obviously not done them, or the drug just was not compatible with their personality.
Every time I have tripped, I learned something new about myself, found solutions to my problems, held my relationships with my friends and family a LOT closer, and live life to the fullest while still getting my shit done. I also agree with some of ya'lls posts that the positivity needs to ripple out and spread the love without stamping the actual drug on the issue.
 
I can't believe how similar these posts are to how I feel! It's almost frustrating when people think of PD's as a "hard drug" or a drug that makes you "lose your marbles" because these are people who have obviously not done them, or the drug just was not compatible with their personality.

Almost frustrating? It pains me to no end. Seeing ignorant generalizations being preached about something that has had such an immensely positive impact on my life is beyond discouraging.

Welcome to the forum, by the way. <3



Can't wait to get my hands on some DPT...
 
^i agree completely applecore, PD's arent always just recreational drugs. they are a tool to be repected and used in order to attain nirvana like states of archiacally recognized "shamanic ecstasy" as the primary goal :D


ive been reading up on DPT, not finding it too interesting compared to some other RC's
 
Almost frustrating? It pains me to no end. Seeing ignorant generalizations being preached about something that has had such an immensely positive impact on my life is beyond discouraging.

I agree. But keep in mind that for the most part, the people who want to do psychedelics can do so pretty readily-- and that's a wonderful thing.

Perhaps the stigma associated with them is a useful barrier-to-entry for the unprepared? I don't know, but it's interesting to consider.
 
yeah i think the whole stigma attached is actually useful. psyches arent for everyone and the stigma keeps them in check for the most part... my theory neway. and I most definetly love psyches to death but have been put off by the amount of bunk product in the market. Id like to order RC's online but im very worried abt getting my money stolen by scams :/ certainly wish i had as much access as you seem to have had lol.
 
oK SO i've been thinking about this alot. Not sure if this is the right thread for this kind of thing, as these are more of "theories" then "revelations" but this whole thing has been building me in me for the past few months, and I need to get it out.

So basically it all starts with a 5 gram mushroom experience about two months ago. Before this experience I guess i was pretty stereotypical in my drug use, I tripped every few weeks, using anywhere between 1-3.5 grams of mushies, 1-3 doses of lsd, you know, strong immersive experiences but looking back they were so shallow.

I was treating these gifts like toys, take a dose and have fun looking at the pretty colors for 12 hours but then it would never go farther then that, and i never gave a psychedelic experience a second thought. I mean the only thing me and my friends looked forward to was going to concerts or festivals and binging on psychedelics, but that being said I was completely missing a whole other, vitally important and completely unrelated aspect of the experience: That these things (psychedelics) were talking to me and I was not listening.

So what do I mean by that? Well lets go back to those 5 grams two months ago. Without writing a trip report know that this experience was the strongest, most completely immersive, overtly psychedelic few hours I've ever lived in my life. There was no mercy given to me, and for 5 hours or so mushrooms had their way with me and all I could do was lay there and take it. I have not taken an ayahuasca experience but I have smoked deemsters, at 50 mg, and I am being honest when I say these mushrooms blew that experience out of the water. During the peak, which was spent with eyes closed, I encountered several entities. One in particular was very memorable me. Why? Because I've encountered this particular entity several times before in my travels (on DMT and lsd respectively). Its hard to describe something so beautiful with words, not to mention it was constantly morphing, changing shape and pattern, geometrically in a way, but he was not made of the patterns as some entities I have encountered have been. It seemed to be this constant, albeit ever changing and evolving, fixed being in the middle of my vision that, I guess, "floated" there before me while behind him the scenery of stereotypical psychedelic patterns flowed to infinity.

It was during my encounter that "I" realized this was the mushrooms talking to me. You could call this stoned revelation the roughest draft of what I now believe to be the psychedelic experience. At the time, still coasting at +++ coming back from ++++, I thought this was how mushrooms had "evolved" into being able to have conversations with other beings. In fact, at the time, this made all to much sense for me. Humans have language which we use to converse with one another, why was it impossible that this was how mushrooms "talked" to us. I figured some kind of plant spirit, a spirit that survived life and death and probably had little to do with either, was contained in the mushrooms I just eaten. At the time this was the most beautiful revelation, that I was literally talking to, listening to, and conversing with mushrooms. I thought I had "figured" the psychedelic experience out.

Then I came back to reality. As beautiful as my thoughts were they didn't really mean anything in a sober state of mind, and in fact seemed to make no sense at all. But I was convinced, so I kept bouncing ideas off my mind hoping one would stick and make since, an idea that could somehow encompass the revelations of my last experience and explain the inconsistencies. For instance, if the mushroom "trip" was an all actuality a plant spirit conversing with me, then what explained psychedelic chemicals. LSD is in every way just a beautiful experience as mushrooms, but obviously there was no "plant spirit" contained inside a hit of blotter. Maybe since LSD was "derived" for ergot.... But no then what explains research chemicals? What plant spirit could possibly be in a substance as synthetic as 2c-e? What about synthetic psilocin, or 4-AcO-DMT?

Not to mention I'm a hardline atheist! How does the notion of a never living, never dying "plant spirit" fit into my preconceived notions of the world? Not very well... But still I was determined to figure it out. So I lost the idea of a "plant spirit" instead started looking at the chemistry of these things. My next best guess was that it all had something to do with 5ht2a receptor. The next theories I came up with made far more sense. I figured what psychedelics do is something to the 5ht2a receptor that allows these entites, that otherwise exist freely and on there own, to be seen felt, experienced by us. Obviously these things are NOTHING like "beings" we are use to in are normal life so all preconceived notions about what is and isn't possible for "being" and "Reality" in general becomes inconsequential for them. Its like we've all got these 5 senses, but some animals don't even have that. Just because these animals dont have taste buds, doesnt mean taste is non-existent everywhere. But because to that animal the idea of taste is as alien as the idea of a god in the sky, it could never comprehend the idea of taste. THAT being said imagine the animal has some taste bud receptors, but they are extremely sensitive and under normal circumstances 99% of the time taste would not be present. But imagine an activity could done that allowed this animals taste bud receptors to become more active, to experience taste....

SO i figured what must be happening is that this 5ht2a is somehow a doorway to allowing us to experience the 6th sense, or "the psychedelic experience". Now just like the animal with limited taste buds it is mostly impossible to experience the 6th sense. However even with non-substance including activities, such as meditation and sensory deprivations, the doors can partially be pried open, including intense entity contact, OEV's, CEV's, OBE's and NDE's. This has been going on all throughout human history and people have never had the correct knowledge to fully interpret the experience. I

n fact as I was learning the hard way, interpreting it just seems to muddy it....
 
Finally, out comes aspartame (proven to not only cause Alzheimers, various cancers, and damage to the kidneys among other things) and monosodium glutamate. Aspartame was originally developed as a rat and ant poison. If you stick packets of aspartame in the cupboard for a year, they turn back into what they came from, methyl alcohol

Noooo!! 8(

Dude you musta ODed and your mind has snapped is all I can figure. All that from methylone??? No friggin' way! Youre pulling our legs just to have fun and get a reaction, right? I thought you seemed so sensible before this.

Not The Aspartame Delusion! Thats long been shown to be total BS! Conspiracy theory run amok into swoozy junk pseudo-science. I have 5 year old packets of it that are still sweet... they taste and smell nothing like methanol.

Go to the Science & Technology topic and post the evidence of all these evils about it. It was NOT 'originally developed as rat and ant poison'!!! Where did you get this poppycock? Why I put out piles of it on the floor earlier and a bunch of my rat and ant friends licked it up and have now returned... They're sitting there right now looking at me blinking/waving their antennae asking for more.... even brought some of their buddies along!

OK, I'm calming down... I see... I see... This topic is really for blathering random silliness and rattling each others cages and having all such sort of chatty fun like that right??

Phew! Really had me goin there fer a minit, babe... good one... got me! HAHA! 8)<3

Dont worry, I still love you!
 
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Lost me with the mention of Indigos. Nonsense of the best kind; irrefutable, tantalising and highly desirable.

Me; I am an Obsidian Childe :)
 
^Have you taken DPT? I've said it before, but DPT reverse engineers Hinduism. No shit.

<3

Is their a great deal of difference between DPT and DMT besides it's effect on auditory? I found that DMT on breakthrough dose's often had a similar effect of reverse engineering in my own experience..
 
^Both certainly tamper with the quantum nature of Hinduism, that is so....;)

But yeah- they are actually very different. If I were to make an analogy; DMT is like chewy lollies, sweet, soft and yummy; DPT is like hard candy; sweet, HARD and yummy. You'll break your teeth on DPT a lot easily-er (wtf, how do I say that word?? a lot more easily-???)- the rewards are possibly greater too.

That analogy sucked. My apologies....

DPT is possibly more anxiogenic; the effects (physically) can be frightening- lots of shaking, sweating, etc. DMT is my preferred substance by far, but DPT has something that DMT doesn't (and yeah, its not just the propyl).

Also, you may be thinking of DiPT; that has the massively odd auditory warping effect. DPT effects hearing too, but not as profoundly (or really very similarily [these words are not working tonight] either).

I reckon that's a really profound post too. Look, it thinks itself....see??

Meh, bedtime :D <3
 
Lost me with the mention of Indigos. Nonsense of the best kind; irrefutable, tantalising and highly desirable.

Me; I am an Obsidian Childe :)

Yeah, I do have to say when the mention of Indigo children came up, I started to take it less seriously.

It really is nonsense Magickat. Superiority complex/messianic type junk.
 
At Wakarusa one year, this older lady stopped me while I was walking to a friend's tent late at night and she said "Has anyone ever told you that you have a very dark aura?".

I had been in a really witty mood for the majority of the trip, so I come back with "Well then how can you see me? Its PITCH BLACK OUT HERE." :D

Then she laughed and said "see, you're clever just like a black cat", then she ambled away.

It really tripped me out, I'm not gunna lie.

I was also on the plateau/come-down from a bunch of acid, and I had recently adopted a black cat to boot, so you gotta factor that into the equation as well. It was very synchronously weird.
 
^Both certainly tamper with the quantum nature of Hinduism, that is so....;)

But yeah- they are actually very different. If I were to make an analogy; DMT is like chewy lollies, sweet, soft and yummy; DPT is like hard candy; sweet, HARD and yummy. You'll break your teeth on DPT a lot easily-er (wtf, how do I say that word?? a lot more easily-???)- the rewards are possibly greater too.

That analogy sucked. My apologies....

DPT is possibly more anxiogenic; the effects (physically) can be frightening- lots of shaking, sweating, etc. DMT is my preferred substance by far, but DPT has something that DMT doesn't (and yeah, its not just the propyl).

Also, you may be thinking of DiPT; that has the massively odd auditory warping effect. DPT effects hearing too, but not as profoundly (or really very similarily [these words are not working tonight] either).

Yup that would be it, missed that 'i' ;)

Thanks for the quick summary, i had been curious for some time but never had any idea first hand about the difference between the two.
 
At Wakarusa one year, this older lady stopped me while I was walking to a friend's tent late at night and she said "Has anyone ever told you that you have a very dark aura?".

I had been in a really witty mood for the majority of the trip, so I come back with "Well then how can you see me? Its PITCH BLACK OUT HERE." :D

Then she laughed and said "see, you're clever just like a black cat", then she ambled away.

It really tripped me out, I'm not gunna lie.

I was also on the plateau/come-down from a bunch of acid, and I had recently adopted a black cat to boot, so you gotta factor that into the equation as well. It was very synchronously weird.

You are Satan incarnate Roger; there is no further doubts to be had.

I was having a ciggy a week or so ago, stayin at me mum's; bought 2am; and randomly a pitch black cat just strutted up to me. A big guy too, no collar and with those green, beautifully mystical eyes. Maybe feral, and I liked it.

Its just all about the cats and dogs these days :)
 
I have a big old green-eyed black cat I adopted as a starving stray kitten with an alarmingly human-infant sounding modulated and very LOUD meow 15 years ago. He still follows me around the house, checks the windows and every little sound, like he is my bodyguard or the Security Officer of the house. Still chases stuff, darts around and acts like a kitten most of the time, too, even at his advanced age. Looks me STRAIGHT in the eyes all the time. Such a smart, cool, loving animal. All cat's can be of course, but I have to wonder if there's something else in those "black fur / green-eyes" genes that makes them in particular be a little more... something, you know?
 
^Have you taken DPT? I've said it before, but DPT reverse engineers Hinduism. No shit.

<3

Have not yet tried DPT. Been reading of it for years, but still don't have a clear picture of the expected effects...reports are very all over the map, more so than most other psychedelics, I think.

Anyway, I am very intrigued by this comment, but I can't quite figure out what you mean by it. Care to explicate a little bit further, please?
 
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