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Esoteric Psychedelic Ideas and Revelations Inaction

the drugs are just a helping tool they are not a necessity. Dr Albert Hoffman said that LSD recreated a feeling he had as a child while walking through the forest..something alone the lines of "a deep and profound connection to nature"...if Hoffman felt as he did as a child then we know we don't need the drugs.That's not to say that substances such as LSD,mushrooms and pure MDMA( not the crap around now days) aren't going to help...they opened my little mind beyond any of my expectations
 
uniter said:
Downright afraid to. :( I love psychedelics using the psycholytic method but crossing that line and letting go of all worldly bonds (including relationships) is something I just can't do right now and a lot of others are the same way.
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Bah, you don't need to let go of any worldly bonds at all to have a great DMT trip. :) You can smoke a sub-breakthrough dose and achieve a very powerful psychedelic 'cleansing' - very much using the drug as a psycholytic tool - whilst still maintaining an intact knowledge of what's going on in the physical world.
 
That's cool TAC. I've always been curious about the big D but being how high dose psychedelics affect me and how I always pull back when that line is about to be bridged I figured DMT was out of my league. You're words are good news to me :)
 
uniter said:
That's cool TAC. I've always been curious about the big D but being how high dose psychedelics affect me and how I always pull back when that line is about to be bridged I figured DMT was out of my league. You're words are good news to me :)
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DMT, whilst sensorily and metaphsickly overwhelming, is probably the least anxiety inducing psychedelic out there. Actually, evidence points to it having anxiolytic properties....Also, remember that you may jettison thru chambers of hyperspace, it only lasts for a while (smoked). Not long enough realy- but you can simply keep smoking it which is always nice :)
 
Hey "swilow" have you tried to smoke DMT with types of MAOI's...or is that just used when ingested...I haven't had the balls to do it yet, you sound far more experienced then me....advice

edit: have you tried the philosophers stone...said to be a truffle loaded with DMT and MAOI's...it's black and smells earthy, my mate got a hold of a small batch, never got to try it
 
^ Aren't the philosopher's stone truffles made from Psilocybe Tampanensis, ie a type of magic mushrooms? Never heard of any containing DMT and/or MAOIs...

I have tried truffles going by that name in Amsterdam (back when mushrooms were legal there), they induced mild psychedelic effects, and were recommended to people new to psychedelics for that reason.
 
mates said it was the strongest body high he has ever had, could have had other shit added to it...thanks Recept
 
Great that it worked for you. :)

A lot of raves nowadays aren't like that unfortunately. What I've seen is that raves tend to be a raw party fueled by anything under the sun. Lots of people go to raves drunk, ripped on meth, or shitty pills. Not exactly a PLURY environment anymore. Might be different in your locale of course.
 
When talking to straight people, I talk about my psychedelic use exactly how I would talking to people who use drugs, only I replace "tripping" with "spiritual experience." Most people are understanding of spiritual experiences, and my best trips where chemical catalyzed, but so what? Leaving out the "drug" part of the equation spreads the message without potentially alienating people.

"Spiritual experiences" ;) showed me the light, that the universe is fundamentally love, that we are all one in the superstructure and opened my senses to the flow of energy in the world. I feel more aware now. But I know people who have felt the same exact things sober from intense prayer and meditation. They're the same experiences. I believe that leading by example is much better than evangelizing so I try not to talk about it that much and live it instead.
 
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*Love*Lite* said:
^^ I hear you... you cant get far with militant actions and hate.

I was talking giving out apples <3 no blood flinging here ;) But I think its important that you pointed that out Xorkoth. I would hope that people dont enter into this thread thinking that anything POSITIVE can come from ANY NEGATIVE actions.
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Nothing will change until we of the psychedelic revolution are prepared to die for our right to smoke marijuana or consume psychedelics for cognitive freedom. Its not that we are being militant with no cause, or justification. The war has been waged on us, what else can we do than militant action? People have been put in jail for years for selling, possessing, using, growing marijuana. You get caught making LSD or MDMA and you go to jail for a long, long time. These are life ending penalties, perpetuated by an oppressive government that hides behind illusions of freedom via capitalism. If we were living on the streets now and not sitting comfortably at our computers then your anger would feed you to new heights and help kindle the revolution.
 
PsyGhost said:
Nothing will change until we of the psychedelic revolution are prepared to die for our right to smoke marijuana or consume psychedelics for cognitive freedom. Its not that we are being militant with no cause, or justification. The war has been waged on us, what else can we do than militant action? People have been put in jail for years for selling, possessing, using, growing marijuana. You get caught making LSD or MDMA and you go to jail for a long, long time. These are life ending penalties, perpetuated by an oppressive government that hides behind illusions of freedom via capitalism. If we were living on the streets now and not sitting comfortably at our computers then your anger would feed you to new heights and help kindle the revolution.
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COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF......Thank you....however I will agree with *love*light* I think she once said that love is a far greater power than hate...but as you I see no other way...Possibly,just possibly we could spray LSD throughout parliament

Edit: I always wanted to buy an Island, form my own government and make my own laws, but the only protection from the governments of the world would have to be a huge military you would need to have nuclear weapons as a deterrent. Fuck imagine the possibilities of a government run by bluelighters.
 
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Nothing will change until we of the psychedelic revolution are prepared to die for our right to smoke marijuana or consume psychedelics for cognitive freedom.
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So you would end your ability for cognition simply for the right to expand it? That makes no sense. You CAN smoke weed and take psychedelics- fuck the law. Even being jailed- your mind is always free. Or at least, thats something I've learned.

Its not that we are being militant with no cause, or justification. The war has been waged on us, what else can we do than militant action?
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So you would fight fire with fire? Eveything will burn, yourself included. :\ No war has been waged on me; or if it has, I seem to have avoided it. The last thing the world needs is more fighting anyway. If you wanna be militant, count me out- I've learned the hardest way possible that violence solves nothing. It begets itself. You are essentially advocating the exact same thing that LE and politicians advocate; violence as a means to an end. It is not, and the entire story opf human history attests to that.

And to say the war is waged on "us" is to take a very personal and egoic attitude towards drug laws; YOU chose to use drugs. Accept the consequences. Thats as simple as it gets.

I think this guy takes it as far as needed, and for a truly epic reason http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thich_Quang_Duc

People have been put in jail for years for selling, possessing, using, growing marijuana. You get caught making LSD or MDMA and you go to jail for a long, long time. These are life ending penalties, perpetuated by an oppressive government that hides behind illusions of freedom via capitalism.
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I agree that it (jailing for drugs) is inherently wrong- but sadly, a lot of people who manufacture drugs are not interested in anything but money. That doesn't sit well with me at all. But the problems with capitalism- well, the legality of drugs is a minor issue IMO. The fact that people are born into shit, starve and then die in shit bothers me a whole lot more then a dude sitting in jail for making drugs for money.

If we were living on the streets now and not sitting comfortably at our computers then your anger would feed you to new heights and help kindle the revolution.
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What revolution though? A world where---what? Drugs are completely legal, drugs are decriminalised, anyone can synthesise a chemical...? What changes do you want? And are they even that important in the whole scheme of things? Anger is a disease of the ego, and I'll have none of it if I can.

You see, I thought this thread was less about drugs then spreading the good word that we may have learned via drugs. Drugs are tools; advocating and fighting for the right to use hammers, for example, would be plain stupid. However, showing someone how well a hammer works at smacking a nail will probably convince someone that hammers are indeed a worthy tool.

If you begin think and acting miltaristically about this, then you've missed the boat, or forgotten the message. There are NO revolutions ever, except in your own heart. And its already started; it never ended.
 
Psyghost: so I take it you're volunteering to immolate yourself for the cause? That's fantastic, a good self-immolation is just what our cause needs; when will you being doing so?
 
PsyGhost said:
Nothing will change until we of the psychedelic revolution are prepared to die for our right to smoke marijuana or consume psychedelics for cognitive freedom. Its not that we are being militant with no cause, or justification. The war has been waged on us, what else can we do than militant action? People have been put in jail for years for selling, possessing, using, growing marijuana. You get caught making LSD or MDMA and you go to jail for a long, long time. These are life ending penalties, perpetuated by an oppressive government that hides behind illusions of freedom via capitalism. If we were living on the streets now and not sitting comfortably at our computers then your anger would feed you to new heights and help kindle the revolution.
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Anger will lose it, no question. Anger will only lead to ruin. The only thing we can do is rise above it in ourselves, and become the change. No one can take that away from us. It's up to you what you project out and what projections you take it.

Great points Swilow. :)
 
I'm not prepared to die for my right to smoke something I hardly ever smoke - then again I'm a self centred coward :D

A poll to be added on whose prepared to die for the cause perhaps ? ;)


*Goes to retrieve the missing point*
 
the way to make change is:

Step 1: start a secret society of marijuana smokers who are willing to run for office

Step 2: get them elected on platforms that have nothing to do with marijuana reform.

Step 3: said elected officials come out of there shells and make it legal
 
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