Psychedelic Euphoria vs MDMA Euphoria

[MarkRenton]

You must have taken crappy X(probably meth or pipebomb with little if any MDMA). Either that or you took too much MDMA.

The comedown of real MDMA in a good "smart" dose causes virtually no come down. I didn't even realize it had been 6 hours after taking the MDMA I had. I got alittle bit sleep after it wore off, and just sat back in my chair feelings at peace with myself and listened to music and fell asleep within an hour. No after effects, the next day I walked outside and looked at trees for a while and just felt like doing nothing but sitting there in a moment of peace and bliss. I still felt empathetic for the people I rolled with since that day.

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear you had a comedown like that...perhaps you need a better connection?

I've done MDMA about 10 times and I did not get any crappy X it was mostly pure molly besides a few times where I still got pure pills. I exaggerated the comedown part but there is no doubt I felt very fried and very unnatural after taking MDMA which I have never experienced with psychs. I'll say it again, MDMA is fake, the empathy you feel is only limited to the ability of the drug, while the euphoria from tripping has no limits and can last forever.

 

[psood0nym]

^What about MDMA's psychedelic properties, though? Surely through them it's possible to achieve through MDMA what you've found exclusive to more direct psychedelics, even if the "probability" for such an experience for the average person who uses both may not be as high?

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I suppose that's possible if you have a major emotional breakthrough which relieves psychological stress.

The thing is usually with MDMA I feel disappointed when the peak is over and I start to comedown while with psychs the transition is much more comfortable and the feeling of well being tends to last for a while even after the trip is gone.

Classical psychedelic euphoria (particularly from tryptamines) feels healthier/natural and more rewarding to me.

Even in a purely immediate pleasurable sense I think the best psychedelic euphoria is better than that from MDMA.

 

[solistus]

I believe there are two distinct elements at work here: physical euphoria (which MDMA clearly has the edge on for most people with a nice flood of serotonin) and emotional/mental/spiritual bliss or ecstasy, which goes far beyond intense pleasure. Much like the bliss of true love can be so much better than any physical pleasure from sex, these are subjectively meaningful as well as simply enjoyable experiences. Both MDMA and psychedelics can produce the latter, and arguably psychedelics produce the former although not as markedly as MDMA.

I don't think I could really rank my "+4s" between MDMA, LSD and psilocin (the three substances responsible for most of my most profoundly wonderful drug experiences, along with helpers like pot and nitrous sometimes) in terms of which is "better" at producing that deeper form of bliss. On the one hand, I want to say psychedelics because they can expand one's ability to think, feel and empathize beyond what one thought to be possible; on the other hand, the unique empathogenic qualities of MDMA that seem to focus in on intersubjective relationships offer many unique opportunities for emotionally meaningful bliss. In general, though these are far from hard and fast distinctions between the two, psychedelics seem more prone to producing abstract notions of beauty or contentness with the universe / one's existence, whereas MDMA's blissful experiences are often more directly tied to empathy for living things in general or specific people/pets/etc. that are meaningful to you. A blissful +4 on LSD is likely to be difficult to put into words beyond vague 'hippie talk' about universal oneness or 'being content to just be' or whatnot; MDMA's bliss is more often connected to thinking about a loved one, or one's positive/supportive personal relationships in general.

 

[Shambles]

Very different beasts for me. Would be hard pushed to say whether MDMA or psyches produce "better" euphoria but it is of a different order, for sure. I understand what people mean by the "natural" euphoria from psyches seeming more profound but MDMA euphoria has made far deeper and far more noticeable changes in my outlook and behaviour. Psyches work their magic in more subtle and less obvious ways somewhere in the background for me. Possibly.

I recently managed to lay hands on a gram of MDMA crystal after almost 18 months without and the afterglow is outrageous and unmistakable - complete strangers smile and say hello in the street (not gonna happen otherwise round here :D) and even my mother comments on how much "better" I am than normal. I don't get the "falseness" of MDMA thing at all - never feels forced for me. I've also never had a comedown from it in my life - an afterglow that can last days or even weeks but never a comedown. Psyches change my attitudes in more subtle and abstract ways but MDMA changes my daily outlook and behaviour instantly, profoundly and in a very good way.

MDMA + psyches is where it's at for serious euphoria, of course

 

[phatass]

the thing with MDMA euphoria is that its very predictable... the euphoria that i get from for example 2C-E is very different each time i take it...

 

[losthippy]

I have to agree with Delta in that I feel sublime contentment for a day or two after a roll - almost like my psyche has had a spring clean. Then I feel profoundly sad in seeing it as only a short fix of shared euphoria. Psilocibin, LSD and to a much lesser degree San Ped (due to availability) open doors that stay ajar long after I've returned to 'reality'. Dozens of trips over 30 years stay fresh in my mind becasue I felt so damned good. I recall the intensity of a Steve Hillage album heard (moreover seen) once on shrooms that hangs with me vividly 20+ years on. Conversely, I blur over sifting through the top MDMA rolls I've had to find one that stands out. Euphoria is a very subjective beasty and I thank my lucky stars, mother nature and a few handy chemists for the times I've been embraced by their handywork.

 

[BrutalRollar]

Mdma europhia for me, I get no eurohia what so ever from acid,shrooms,etc. But when I mix the two, wahoo its like an intense body orgasim. I like the body high from shrooms or acid, but I don't get europhia from them.