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Psychedelic Euphoria vs MDMA Euphoria

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how does the euphoria from psychedelics compare to that of mdma for you guys?

for me it seems that i can best relate it to the scene from "Waking Life" where the two guys are talking about the film theory of andre bazin and towards the end of their discussion they get into this concept of life being a constant holy moment and them stopping to have a holy moment. one of the guys also mentions something about how he didn't see how anyone could be in that holy moment forever.

on 25mg of psilacetin i had these moments of euphoria that seemed to be like going into that holy moment but it would last briefly and would be an overwhelming rush of so many different feelings some of which i don't know that i have ever felt them before and all i could do was cry it was almost a sense of being so happy i was brought to tears but not quite as i didn't not feel that level intense happiness

during a night of mdma and weed that led to what i believe to have been a 4+ experience the euphoria i felt was as if i was in that holy moment permanently instead of going in and out. i was also filled with so many emotions but it was to an intense degree. i was also brought to tears but it was more of that feeling of intense happiness that brought me to tears. unlike with psilacetin i was able to do more than just cry. for the most part i was filled with laughter like never before and on top of that tears were flowing from my eyes.

i think i'd attribute most of the differences in the feelings due to the fact that the time with mdma was a +4 whereas with the psilacetin it was more of a low +3. however mdma still seemed to have this intense indescribable happiness that psilacetin was lacking. so i was curious to hear what you guys think and how the euphoria has differed in your experience.
 
Ironically, MDMA for me tends to produce very intense euphoria but psychedelics can actually produce a feeling of ecstasy in the real sense of the word. On the other hand, psychedelics can also show you other parts of your emotional spectrum, including bad parts. In higher doses MDMA is more psychedelic as well, which I believe is the reason MDMA can also produce psychedelic ecstasy.

The unity of all parts, the good and the bad is an experience of completion shifting from euphoria to profound nonduality. Centeredness as opposed to an intense positive feeling is the way of happiness rather than pleasure. That is not to say that pleasure isn't pleasurable, but happiness feels to me like sustainable and healthy, also essential as a source of life energy.

I also believe it is key to learn to achieve this without psychedelics, using a tool to do the job for you is not a substitute for doing such a thing yourself.
 
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Psychedelic euphoria is much more dependent on set and setting. It's also much more beautiful and profound, and generally more emotionally complex (rather than a neurons-blazing MDMA euphoria).
 
LSD euphoria feels more natural and earned whereas MDMA is forceful, feels a little dirty and definitely less complex. i just feel super good for no reason. on psychs, i understand more and this leads to a more interesting and knowledge-oriented insight to euphoric feelings. i dunno

from my experience
 
I don't really have anything useful to add beyond low-dose mushrooms for me is a perfect example of what I thought MDMA was going to be like before i tried it but had read a lot on here about it.
 
MDMA euphoria has a chemical taste imho. it just feels waaaay too good but you even don't know why you're feeling this way. just an overwhelming pure bliss with no reason. but psych euphoria is something maybe less intense than MDMA one, but it feels so true and natural. it has its own signature on the soul and makes you feel like sober but euphoric : ) maybe i can not find the true words to define this but you know what i'm talking about : )
 
Solipsis said:
psychedelics can actually produce a feeling of ecstasy in the real sense of the word.
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This is the difference for me. I don't doubt that MDMA produces it for many too, as there certainly are mind expanding aspects to that drug. I only doubt that the probability of experiencing the type of episode I'm referring to is as likely with MDMA as with a powerful tryptamine for the typical person.

I for one have felt greater euphoria, both qualitatively and in terms of sheer quantitative power, with psychedelics than any other drug class, including empathogens. But it's never been "no strings attached" like with MDMA or opiates or mephedrone. I can discern a difference in depth in the acuteness of the "euphoric twinge" -- those unbearably beautiful moments that squeaze out ecstatic tears like nectar from the fruit of our deepest contentment. The way these moments pluck at the strings of the psyche, the way their reverberations resound through the experiential body, tends to vary greatly in expression between drugs. In the most ecstatic experiences there is always a sense that the euphoria is issuing from some transparent and "reasonable" succession of genuine content. I've taken a section from my 4-AcO-DMT "Ego Trip" report on Erowid as an example.
I feel very still, though my breath is stuttered from this upwell of emotion and my hands are trembling. I have experienced much pleasure in 10 years of drug use—every major psychedelic, numerous “research chemicals”, dissociatives, MDMA, methamphetamine, cocaine, GHB, Oxycontin, and various combinations thereof, including with sex—but it is this pleasure, now, that I can barely contain. Though my past (and more recent) experiences with 4-AcO-DMT were also quite emotionally and physically euphoric, they don’t hold a candle to this. In addition to the phenomenal euphoria, the proceedings of this trip seem intricately and intimately ordered, planned, and purposeful, as though I am somehow orchestrating them myself.
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MDMA doesn't give me intense euphoria, more of an extreme contentedness with my life and the current setting I am in. Tripping doesn't always give me euphoria, but when it does it can be quite powerful. One mushroom trip in particular gave me euphoria the blows any other drug-induced happiness I've felt out of the water.
 
TOTALLY different. LSD, for instance, has some euphoria to it, but it is more visual and introverted. Ex, on the other hand, is just pure bliss. I can think clearly, am in total control and will talk your ear off about a wide array of subjects. Also, with ex, the body buzz is SO much better.
 
Psychedelics don't always give me euphoria but when they do it beats anything MDMA has provided me with.

The outcome with MDMA is generally the same everytime, you don't have much choice but to enjoy yourself, whereas as someone said above, with psyches its been earned (through set/setting etc) and overall feels like true(r) bliss.
 
LSD euphoria feels more natural and earned whereas MDMA is forceful, feels a little dirty and definitely less complex. i just feel super good for no reason. on psychs, i understand more and this leads to a more interesting and knowledge-oriented insight to euphoric feelings. i dunno
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Dirty? What kinda MDMA did you have? Maybe you took too much, most people overdo MDMA thinking they will roll harder but in fact with MDMA less is better.

I once took half of a "Dose" of pure MDMA and had an amazing experience that was very natural feeling, just as natural as LSD. I felt peaceful and calm and it wasn't even like I was on a drug.

If you felt dirty then either you had pipes, ampy pill, bad quality or whatever, MDME or whatever other lame substitute people put in pills.
 
MDMA doesn't come close to the depth and intensity of the things I feel while on LSD, including euphoria. Like others have mentioned before, psychedelic euphoria isn't just a chemical reaction while MDMA euphoria is.

This doesn't mean MDMA can't be euphoric or rewarding. It's a very worthwile tool if used properly. And when you combine these two fascinating substances, keeping the MDMA dose low-ish, they supplement each other and you end up with something very special.
 
MDMA feels so god damn fake in comparison to psychs that it's not even funny. On MDMA I "love" everyone and everything for a little bit until I hate everyone and everything (on the comedown). Psychs are not fake in any way so when I feel good on them I know it has been earned and is true.
 
MDMA euphoria is imho superior when shared with someone special, but LSD and psilocybin get me to places I can really only get to alone. The sheer joy to be had seems stifled if I have to wait around, guide or explain. Maybe I'm just getting old and greedy, but these latter two trigger intensely personal experiences in me, and when I get the wind in my hair I don't want to be slowed down by anyone. Nothing personal here, but when I get the rare chance to indulge I just love my own state of bliss too much. MDMA on the other hand would do me no good at all if I was stranded alone on a desert island.
 
losthippy said:
MDMA euphoria is imho superior when shared with someone special, but LSD and psilocybin get me to places I can really only get to alone. The sheer joy to be had seems stifled if I have to wait around, guide or explain. Maybe I'm just getting old and greedy, but these latter two trigger intensely personal experiences in me, and when I get the wind in my hair I don't want to be slowed down by anyone. Nothing personal here, but when I get the rare chance to indulge I just love my own state of bliss too much. MDMA on the other hand would do me no good at all if I was stranded alone on a desert island.
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Very good point. On my last trip (a few days ago) I realized that tripping alone would be pretty great (I was with one other friend) but there is no way in hell I would want to do MDMA alone.
 
MDMA is all out ecstatic bliss for a few hours. LSD is ecstatic bliss for longer if you want it to be. IMO psychedelics CAN be more euphoric, but aren't most of the time, but ive only tripped twice..MDMA was the absolute best i ever felt, i didnt know it was even possible to feel that good.
 
MDMA feels so god damn fake in comparison to psychs that it's not even funny. On MDMA I "love" everyone and everything for a little bit until I hate everyone and everything (on the comedown). Psychs are not fake in any way so when I feel good on them I know it has been earned and is true.
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You must have taken crappy X(probably meth or pipebomb with little if any MDMA). Either that or you took too much MDMA.

The comedown of real MDMA in a good "smart" dose causes virtually no come down. I didn't even realize it had been 6 hours after taking the MDMA I had. I got alittle bit sleep after it wore off, and just sat back in my chair feelings at peace with myself and listened to music and fell asleep within an hour. No after effects, the next day I walked outside and looked at trees for a while and just felt like doing nothing but sitting there in a moment of peace and bliss. I still felt empathetic for the people I rolled with since that day.

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear you had a comedown like that...perhaps you need a better connection?
 
yeah..the only comedown ive had was just hardcore jaw clenches and not being able to get to sleep all that easily. Ive only rolled 3 tiems, though
 
for me the feeling on mdma that love is everywhere and i love everything seemed like it had been there all along i just hadn't been aware of it. it also lasted for over a month and didn't seem fake at all. but i only experienced this kind of incredibly intense euphoria once on mdma. the psychedelic euphoria i also only experienced once but it seemed like i would go in and out of it whereas on mdma it was a constant thing. i agree that the psychedelic euphoria seems much more natural but the mdma euphoria was so much greater and longer lasting but maybe it'll be the same if i ever have a +4 experience on a psychedelic
 
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