Psychedelic drugs can unlock mysteries of brain - David Nutt

[Ismene]

Poor Ismene, There there...

Hold on a minute, last month you posted this on the psychedelics board:

I don't know what Ismene said, because he's on my ignore list and I don't intend to take him off it. This would be typical of Ismene's arguementative tactics, and one of the reasons he's on my ignore list.

This month not only am I off your ignore list but you're following me around the european board. Has life been too boring without me survived? Put me back on your ignore list for gods sake.

 

[Ismene]

I refer you to my last paragraph.

When he's personally apologised and paid compensation to everyone caught with GBL since 2009 I'll think about forgiving him tambo.

Has he even apologised for what he did making GBL, spice and all the steroids illegal? Has he offered a word in penance? Or is he hoping we all forget about it?

 

[tambourine-man]

I refer you to my second-to-last paragraph.

 

[Ismene]

I've forgotten it.

 

[tambourine-man]

After 7 years of reading your posts, I'm familiar with the fact that 'forgetting' what was said earlier is how you roll.

And precisely why I love you.

 

[88brenno]

Ill be a guinea pig

 

[Ismene]

And precisely why I love you.

 

[Swarm]

Two years ago he was in the paper screaming for GBL to made illegal, now he's in the paper wanting to make it legal?

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1. As someone already pointed out in this thread, decriminalisation isn't the same as legalisation and Nutt has never been in favour of legalisation.

2. Basically an extension of the first point, Nutt hates legal highs as a concept because it sends the wrong message to the public, namely that they are safer in someway than illegal ones - which is undoubtedly true imo, just look at the public perception of alcohol vs extacy.

3 I'm sure its easier to get grants to study illegal drugs than legal ones so this probably linked to harm reduction.

4 Massive pressure both public and private as the result of a rediculously high profile OD. Remember Hester Stewart, the sussex uni medical student who died after taking Gbl at a party? I'm sure you do because she was the pride and joy of Marion Stewart, a famous nutritionist who turned her daughter into the new Leah Betts (of extacy overdose fame). Of all the fuckin people to tank on the Geebees it had to be her. I've nearly OD'd off that shit before, and if i had, all you'd get is a tiny collumn on page 12 of the local rag entitled "Late 20's polydrug user dies after knecking cleaning fluid during a state of confusion from illegal substances and sleep deprivation". No one would have even noticed.

As for the media whore accusation, maybe Nutt likes the sound of his own voice, a bit like us lot, but he's never played the game. I mean for fucks sake, the night he got sacked i went on national TV and told a bbc reporter that he'd rather have his children try
extacy than alcohol. Pure unadulteratd crew if ever there was one.

 

[knock]

the night he got sacked i went on national TV and told a bbc reporter that he'd rather have his children try extacy than alcohol

No you fucking never! did you?

 

[jammon]

Cocaine, my friend. THAT should be used in psychiatry

 

[hx_]

Cocaine, my friend. THAT should be used in psychiatry

Freud had great success with it I hear.

 

[Swarm]

No you fucking never! did you?

Ha sorry typo - i meant to write he instead of i. Still bad as fuck though - i used to have a link to the interview on youtube see if i can dig it out.

If you'rd have stuck a reporter in front of me on the night he got sacked i suspect my responses might have been a little too volatile for tv and would probably have got me arrested - whatever charge you can throw at someone who anounces that their primary objective hence forth is to punch the home secretary in the face.

 

[knock]

4 Massive pressure both public and private as the result of a rediculously high profile OD. Remember Hester Stewart, the sussex uni medical student who died after taking Gbl at a party? I'm sure you do because she was the pride and joy of Marion Stewart, a famous nutritionist who turned her daughter into the new Leah Betts (of extacy overdose fame). Of all the fuckin people to tank on the Geebees it had to be her. I've nearly OD'd off that shit before, and if i had, all you'd get is a tiny collumn on page 12 of the local rag entitled "Late 20's polydrug user dies after knecking cleaning fluid during a state of confusion from illegal substances and sleep deprivation". No one would have even noticed.

Interesting. She thinks she's responsible for the new temporary bans. She founded "Angelus" (just the name makes me want to spit). Strangely one of the advisers to Angelus (one of 21) is Jeremy Sare who has written several anti-prohibition articles.

Looking at all the people involved with Angelus makes me feel that Stewart just wants to surround herself with celebrities and the great and the good. Reminds me a bit of Edina and Patsy.

 

[Ismene]

1. As someone already pointed out in this thread, decriminalisation isn't the same as legalisation and Nutt has never been in favour of legalisation.

Hold on a minute Swarm - I think someone else raised this point earlier in the thread. I made a post where I linked to Nutts testimony to to parliament - check out the bit where someone asks him "So you are for legalisation of all drugs?" and he says "Yes".

Massive pressure both public and private as the result of a rediculously high profile OD.

So you think he was unwilling? The govt had his arm twisted up his back? That wasn't how it sounded at all - it was clear that he was making proclaimations to the press like "I can't believe the govt hasn't banned this yet, what on earth are they playing at?". He was a full-blown cunt. Now how you get from cunt to crew within 2 years is something I'm curious about.

Maybe he's ok - it's kinda like leaving your 6 year old with a paedophile who says he's been cured. You hope for the best but you'd still feel a little uneasy.

 

[badandwicked]

it's kinda like leaving your 6 year old with a paedophile who says he's been cured. You hope for the best but you'd still feel a little uneasy.

lolol

'I'm off, good luck kidder, here's hoping '

 

[psilocybinsane]

"Alan Johnson, sacked him from his post as chair of the government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs for publicly stating that alcohol and tobacco were more harmful than LSD, ecstasy and cannabis."

8( "Hes telling them all the truth!!! What should we do?! lets fire him!"

 

[mygreenbic]

psychedelic ego dissolve

^^

But you still know you're tripping don't you?

It's common for me on high doses of lsd not to know that I'm a human let alone what drug I'm on. A successful lsd trip for me is complete ego dissolve.

 

[Dondante]

Hold on a minute Swarm - I think someone else raised this point earlier in the thread. I made a post where I linked to Nutts testimony to to parliament - check out the bit where someone asks him "So you are for legalisation of all drugs?" and he says "Yes".

Let me refer you to your own post (bolded for emphasis)...

Professor Nutt: "I am suggesting we decriminalise all drugs"

Q320 Mr Winnick: If I may come back to Professor Nutt, you have said you are in favour, if we can just state on the record, of the decriminalisation of all drugs?

Professor Nutt: Yes.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmhaff/uc184-i/uc18401.htm

...not a subtle point of distinction.

 

[Ismene]

^

Even I'm getting confused now!

Are we any closer to knowing why he changed from being a rampant prohibitionist to a decrimmer inside 2 years?

 

[Dondante]

^He didn't...that's the point. He appears to have consistently advocated for reduced penalties for drug charges and increased treatment resources for drug addiction, but not for legalization or the default lack of regulation of former gray market drugs like GBL, mephedrone, novel cannabinoids, etc...well, I guess they're not technically "gray market" in the UK, but you get the idea.

My impression is that he'd like to at least move some of the Class A drugs down to Class C, so that psychedelic research is less difficult...I'm not sure how far he'd go with respect to promoting legal, regulated psychedelic and cannabis dispensaries. What I'm certain of is that he sure as hell doesn't want cocaine and heroin to be available OTC at your local pharmacy.