• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

Psychedelic connections with afterlife?

I would agree that Tibetan buddhism in one of the most cult-like forms even though the Dalai Lama seems like a sympathetic character to me and I also like some of his writings. I don't agree with what I know of their ideas about reincarnation either. :)

Sorry if we are heading off topic with this, but I am really interesting in you saying psychedelics were what helped you in the end, so to speak. You see, I have quit pretty much everything for a while because I was doing too much ketamine and had a generally rough patch a while ago. I moved back half a year ago but right now I am getting a new job again and going to live together with my best friend which is great. Anyway I really feel like psychedelics are separate from other, recreational, drugs and like they were a good thing in my life. I can do without them but I would rather not, and I feel like something that helped me before has disappeared with them.
I do plan to pick up my experiments with them again, new ones and trusted old allies alike.
 
OP, the "dmt is released during NDE's" is bullshit.
not a fact but rather simply a theory.

educate yourself before making claims in future that you do not know the validity of.

Simmer down...Joe Rogan said it so that is my only source of that info, but I believe you that it's false..just what I always thought.
 
Joe Rogan, truly an authority on psychopharmacology and spirituality 8)
 
^Care to elaborate on 'plateau sigma'? I'm just genuinely interested

A few people have independently contacted me about an additional plateau -- one reached not by increasing the dosage but by prolonging the experience. I searched for some time for a name before settling on "Plateau Sigma", both because it seems to be related to sigma activity (see Section 10.2) and because it occurs as one sums up small doses (sigma being the mathematical symbol for summation). This summation may lead to a strong potentiation of the psychotomimetic effects of DXM (227). Over half the people who had a Plateau Sigma experience have said it was extremely unpleasant and that they would never repeat it.

The most commonly reported dosage regimen for Plateau Sigma is given below. However, before giving it, I warn you strongly against making this sort of attempt. DXM at high dosages is probably hard both on the brain and the body, and extending the experience is likely to increase the chance for dangerous side effects. Furthermore, one must be experienced enough with DXM, with the psychedelic experience in general, and with one's own mind, to be able to understand the experience. Everyone who has reported a successful experience with this dosage regimen has been at least 23 years of age. While I do not doubt that some younger people may be capable of having a good experience at this plateau, most seem to be unable to understand it and unable to control it, and there may be a real danger of psychotic breaks. Finally, the experience is in some ways acutely uncomfortable, as one's contact with inner and outer reality seems to break down entirely.

Combining suggestions from others I have come up with the following dosage regimen. Start relatively early in the day (the experience degrades if one is too fatigued), at about 6 to 10 hours after awakening. It helps tremendously if one is in good physical shape and not under emotional stress. Take a low second plateau dose. In three hours (or about 1 hour after the peak), take a second low plateau dose. At three more hours (or, again, 1 hour after second peak) take a high second plateau or low third plateau dose. After coming down from the third plateau, instead of going back to the second plateau and down to baseline, you may be left in Plateau Sigma. Drugs which inhibit cytochrome P450-2D6 seem to enhance the duration and intensity of the experience. Nicotine is reported to inhibit it, and may even prevent it entirely.

At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have.

Vision suffers a curious change, seeming to consist of well-processed but highly strobed images; so strong is the effect that it seems as if one is looking at the world under a fast strobe light. The eyes don't seem to track in synch with the inner 3D model of the world, so that when one looks to one side or another, the world lurches back and forth for a moment. Interestingly, it almost seems as if one is looking at the world from an inner vision with the eyes closed (see Section 5.11).

Finally, thoughts can be totally deranged. Connections between entirely unrelated ideas form, causality goes out to lunch, and one's personality seems pretty much dissolved into the universe. Expect to hear a lot of voices; some people find themselves totally obedient to them. There seems to be a "tireless" quality to the experience, as if one does not feel either fatigue or emotion directly, but only receives information from the inner voices ("sit down now, you're tired"). There are interesting comparisons both to accounts of acute schizophrenia and to Jaynes' postulated bicameral mind (350).

Again, let me warn you of the dangers here. You are probably stepping head first into psychosis, and unless you've got a very good trip sitter, you might end up coming back to reality in a padded room. Or, if you're really unlucky, you might freak out, have a hypertensive crisis, and end up in the hospital. Chronic high-dose use of PCP has been implicated both in deterioration of some brain areas and in cerebral hemorrhages. While PCP stands som!ewhat alone among dissociatives due to its additional and peculiar pharmacology, one should always be cautious when blazing trails in uncharted territory.

One last time: Be Careful!!

Taken from http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_experience.shtml#toc.5.9


I didn't follow that exactly, but close enough except stretched out for a few days... I wasn't sure if I had hit sigma so I continued re-dosing 300mg three times a day following that protocol, and on the third day I also took 1,200mg at night.

My thought was that I had not hit sigma, which I now realize I did... I was having purely schizophrenic thought process during all this and the final large dose is what kicked off a near death experience. In my mind I thought I discovered a secret substance the government created for me and I would no longer need food because I had found a better fuel. Looking back I think the idea that triggered this was definitely me reading that DXM was indeed created by the government... the Navy actually, wierd huh? Anyway that and many many many other delusions during this "sigma" period... But that night after taking a large dose thinking I was still trying to get into sigma is where I really went into outter space.... or actually "inner space" :)

I have had ego death on many high dose shroom trips, this was something completely different.

Triggered what I can only explain as a near death experience followed by a state of schizophrenic thought pattern in which I thought I was being reborn. What happened in-between was an experience that subjectively felt like years... I've felt mild time dilation on LSD, severe time dialation on heroic shroom doses, but this again like the whole experience was insanely more intense.

I don't mess with DXM anymore, I permenently screwed my tolerance by that some how it really has not been the same since... so I just stick to the tried and true psychs I am more familiar with good old cid' and mushrooms.

DXM in my opinion, while less enjoyable than traditional psychedelics can be very powerful. The increasing rather than decreasing effects as you stack dose after dose for days leads + the dissociative aspect of it all just makes for something truly dangerous.
 
Last edited:
In the absence of any evidence I personally do not believe in an after life, but consider this, if the soul is eternal and given that I have no memory of a pre life to this one, any after life would be useless to the me of this life since i assume the next life, me won't remember the this life me, if you get me.
 
To address the skeptics of these matters: I'm not sure why you talk of it being an internal experience and thus spiritually invalid. Everything we experience in daily life could be said to be internal, but at the same time it has its external counterpart - if it didn't then there would not be anything to experience. And it is the same with the psychedelic experience. Moreover, since the psychedelic trip is catalyzed by a perturbation in the usual modulation of information transmission in the brain, there is nothing different about it that separates it from everyday consciousness; by that, I mean that we are constantly in a state of metabolic homeostasis, a dynamic flux which extends throughout our entire life (and continues on a molecular level beyond our bodily life span), and foods/drugs are merely a part of that homeostatic flux.

If you are to question the reality of an experience on drugs, then you must question with the same vigor the reality of an experience without drugs, since the metabolism and chemical dynamics involved are exactly one and part of the same thing. When we eat a food containing high levels of magnesium, do you say that everything you are experiencing is delusional because you're experiencing an increase in magnesium at the NMDA receptor? I don't think so. And such as it is, chemicals come and go in to and out of our body, with no cosmic rules as to what is 'right' or 'wrong'; our bodies simply deal with whatever is there at the time, our DNA encodes the correct peptides for their metabolism, and homeostasis is maintained - consciousness may be altered and we experience that alteration as it is.

What we experience with our mind as internal and external is intimately connected across it's threshold. The container of the mind can be thought of as a funnel or conduit to everything else, which is actually itself but on a far more expanded level. I think of it in this way: we operate on a threshold of consciousness called "awareness". Either side of this, there are two states of being - subconscious and superconscious. The subconcious is where the superconscious becomes what we would describe as physical, and obeying the laws of time and motion. Subconscious is the infinite light of the superconscious folded at the fractal edge of the universe in to biological form that can experience itself. At this point in 'time' we have already evolved archetypes and symbols that express themselves at the level of the subconscious and flow out to the threshold of awareness depending on the state of the system. The superconscious is the substrate of information, or the 'word', that stretches across the entire vista of the objective universe that has been created. The fractal iterations in the superconscious become different levels of density and eventually express themselves in the shape of 'mind', the liminal point at which awareness sees itself as limited to one compartmentalized expression of the whole. All the information from every 'mind' is accessible from the superconscious, as is all the information from every apparent particle and manifestation of 'reality', since there are no real separations, only apparant boundaries set in place by the complex symbolic beliefs of the beholder of himself as an entity.

The afterlife is an escape of the information from the shackles of those boundaries in to the substrate of the superconscious, a full dissolution of what many call the 'ego'. I would not say that the ego survives the death of the physical body (since I believe that the ego is the condition of the physical body and it's need to stay alive in order to experience itself), but rather that there is a gradual return to the universal mind - at the point of bodily death - of the experience of the individual life. In that way, the individual mind merges seamlessly with the one mind of the universal creation, one that belongs to all minds.

Everything has a mind, and biology and awareness is expressed at every level of reality - through the sub atomic and beyond the cosmic - in increasingly unrecognizable patterns and forms. There is no real death, (other than that of the physical element of the body which you may call a transition from one biological state to another), not of consciousness, since everything blends seamlessly in to all else.

I just think that techniques like meditation are better for a gaining a more realistic sense of spirituality

I never got anything out of meditation. And I know the theory is "If you havn't got anything out of it then you need to spend another 30 years doing it every day" but I'd rather take mushrooms because I do get something out of them.

I really wonder how much you actually know about this making statements like that.

I read lots of books on Buddhism and zen for about a decade. Then I lost someone I loved suddenly and found none of it was any use to me whatsoever. The only thing that helped was psychedelics. That's the kind of thing that opens your eyes to what these religions are really offering. In my hour of need, psychedelics helped.

But I wouldn't reject either of these religions completely

If someone gets anything out of them then fine, I don't and I felt I was conned by them. Especially when I became aware of stuff like the Hindu treatment of the untouchables and how the Buddhist monks actually lived as brutal slavemasters in Tibet.

But I still read the occasional book - I'm currently browsing through the Dali Lama's history of Tibet.

This. :) (although I do get something out of meditation, and I find psychedelic themes in many eastern traditions)
 
Last edited:
Top