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Psychadelics & Ego

demon66

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Does loss/seperation of ego through drugs make you better off than those who never experience this?

Is experiencing loss/seperation of ego through psyche drugs a healthy thing to do?
 
"Does loss/seperation of ego through drugs make you better off than those who never experience this?"

Not inherently. It's all about what that experience teaches you, and how you integrate those lessons into your life. Plenty of people have experienced ego loss many times and still act like petty dicks in their day-to-day life; plenty of others have never experienced ego loss and still reached a lot of the same conclusions about being kind to others, not taking life too seriously, etc. that psychedelic users might attribute to their ego death experiences. It's a valuable experience and, in the hands of a thoughtful, intelligent person, it tends to be a productive one, but it doesn't magically make you a better person - that's still up to you. If you're curious about your own mind and sense of self, it's an invaluable learning opportunity.

"Is experiencing loss/seperation of ego through psyche drugs a healthy thing to do? "

It depends what you mean by 'healthy.' Physically, it's nothing to worry about, assuming you're using one of the many psychedelics with a well-established reputation for being very non-toxic (mushrooms, LSD, DMT, etc.). Psychologically, it depends very much on where you're at personally. Ego loss can be a difficult/scary experience, and if you're prone to emotional or mental instability or have some specific mental condition or disorder that doesn't mix well with psychedelics (schizophrenia, severe anxiety disorder, etc.), it's probably not a good idea to take high doses of psychs and shoot for ego death. As long as you can handle the experience psychologically and plan your high dose trips out carefully so they don't interfere with your normal day-to-day life and responsibilities, I don't see any reason to call it unhealthy.
 
The best response is not inherently. It all depends. If someone has no idea of what ego death is and they are suddenly thrust into ego death they may choose to fight it(thinking their psychically dying) and well then hold on for the ride. I think it will always teach you about yourself though even if you run but you probably won't take anything away from it.
 
"what ego death is"

As I understand it, ego is the sense of who you are. It seems rationale that high doses of many drugs will distort ego or take it away.

BTW would a newborn child have a ego? By my understanding I say no, because the ego is learned and built by the individual
 
demon you're confusing ego with self-conception and identity. Ego is one's individuated conscious self. Otherwise known by most people as 'I'. Babies do have egos because they have individuated consciousness, but they do not have well developed self-concepts or identities.
 
The best response is not inherently. It all depends. If someone has no idea of what ego death is and they are suddenly thrust into ego death they may choose to fight it(thinking their psychically dying) and well then hold on for the ride. I think it will always teach you about yourself though even if you run but you probably won't take anything away from it.

Resisting ego-death can be quite painful, emotionally. I had read about it, but had no recognition of it when it happened. I thought my life was ending, and that this was being brought about by my good friend. It was the scariest experience of my life so far.

I learned a lot that night, and in the months since then.
 
Is it a healthy thing to do? well I don't really know, it really depends, I was a bit anti-social and more frustrated with alot of things, and had many mood swings, then drugs came into my life...

My first shroom trip changed me and I kind of forgot my old self, but still have my old habits which seperates me from the 'norm' everywhere I go... maybe its because everywhere I go my minds always thinking of a bunch of shit at the same time, and i need constant music to make me go at a normal thinking pace...

I think it's mostly on the persons own perception of how it goes and their own underlying experiences that made them who they where, as well as a combination of other factors...
Only downside I see is that I'm always so excited for my next heavy trip to losing grip with reality, wether it be lucid dreaming, out of body experiences, or just a heavy meditating trip...

Datura dreams are......... ;)
 
Ego-death is very hard for me, was one of the hardest thing i experienced on shrooms and lsd, but I matured hugely because of it. Plus, my outlook on things in life is so much more open and I can take everything in stride better now.
 
"Does loss/seperation of ego through drugs make you better off than those who never experience this?"

Not inherently. It's all about what that experience teaches you, and how you integrate those lessons into your life. Plenty of people have experienced ego loss many times and still act like petty dicks in their day-to-day life; plenty of others have never experienced ego loss and still reached a lot of the same conclusions about being kind to others, not taking life too seriously, etc. that psychedelic users might attribute to their ego death experiences. It's a valuable experience and, in the hands of a thoughtful, intelligent person, it tends to be a productive one, but it doesn't magically make you a better person - that's still up to you. If you're curious about your own mind and sense of self, it's an invaluable learning opportunity.

"Is experiencing loss/seperation of ego through psyche drugs a healthy thing to do? "

It depends what you mean by 'healthy.' Physically, it's nothing to worry about, assuming you're using one of the many psychedelics with a well-established reputation for being very non-toxic (mushrooms, LSD, DMT, etc.). Psychologically, it depends very much on where you're at personally. Ego loss can be a difficult/scary experience, and if you're prone to emotional or mental instability or have some specific mental condition or disorder that doesn't mix well with psychedelics (schizophrenia, severe anxiety disorder, etc.), it's probably not a good idea to take high doses of psychs and shoot for ego death. As long as you can handle the experience psychologically and plan your high dose trips out carefully so they don't interfere with your normal day-to-day life and responsibilities, I don't see any reason to call it unhealthy.

This post pretty much summed it all up.

However the thing about having a mental condition... although it could be a problem, I suffer from depression and it's never been exascerbated by psychedelic drugs. Then again, I did my homework and I have alot of respect for the power of psychedelics. I think I deal with intense drug experiences alot better than certain 'ordinary' things which most people have no problem with. I can't speak for everyone obviously.
 
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