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swilow said:
^Duality-collapse-immeinent. The opposite of white is black, so black is white- just the opposite ;)
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Yeah LSD would often have a tendency to send me into states of duality perceiving the universe from a rational point of view to a emotional point of view, every conclusion i came to on the existence of the universe would be followed by another realization, which would return to a new conclusion.. and so on.. cycling between rational and emotional.. for hours.. Infinity can suck when your caught in its loop asking the same question.. ;)
 
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SpanoonapS said:
huh?

i dont understand what you mean... and why did you perceive that as the apocalypse? what does that have to do with the end of the world?
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I've had a similar experience on acid where all opposites were coming together and I felt it was the end of the human experiment and the world as we know it, as it felt like all dualities were synergizing into pure infinite unity.

Apocalypse literally means revelation, and this acid tripped catalyzed the revelation that reality is a unified duality that manifests through symbiotic opposition, which was very earth-shattering.
 
malakaix said:
Yeah LSD would often have a tendency to send me into states of duality perceiving the universe from a rational point of view to a emotional point of view, every conclusion i came to on the existence of the universe would be followed by another realization, which would return to a new conclusion.. and so on.. cycling between rational and emotional.. for hours.. Infinity can suck when your caught in its loop asking the same question.. ;)
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Thats bizarre that you say that, because on my harder trips ive felt like ive had the answers (and that i was everything!) of everything in my head. I would think of a question, and the answer would be the exact opposite of it but would make complete sense. It really only happens on heroic doses, but it does occur.
 
^ Yeah i understand what you mean, i've experienced that complete merging of all dualities into an infinite unity only on DMT.. The dose's of LSD i would take would leave me just hanging out of reach, but i never ventured above 500ug most of the time.

An analogy of how i would describe the duality i experienced in simpler terms would be:

Understanding the Universe to be comprised entirely of simulated mechanism's, like a matrix. And that i existed as no less then a Artificial Intelligence within this simulation. (This is the rational hemisphere of my mind coming to it's 'final' conclusion).

This would obviously spark a rejection on my behalf, and the other hemisphere of my mind would interpret the universe from a more emotional point of view.. Understanding that the Universe is biological and evolved over a long period of time, that I myself am biological and contain the essence of a 'soul'.

Since im experiencing this while my ego still remains somewhat in control, but am boarding on Infinity.. it continues through this cycle for hours, never reaching a merged conclusion of the two.. but only coming to 'complete' conclusions separately.

Marijuana has this effect on me, however unlike LSD.. Marijuana force's this cycle onto me, and i have to focus very hard on distracting myself unless i wish to be caught in this horrible loop.
 
^^ these loops between opposites is manifested through the realization of the paradoxical nature of reality. Ironic, I just mentioned this in another thread. Not to mention paradoxes are ironic in themselves.... Irony compounded onto irony.
 
I'm certainly more anxious right before i'm tripping and not so socially confident as when I started tripping 4-5 years ago. But I think thats just me. I was also eating alot more back then so I was probably used to more alteration.
 
^I think a lot of people get more nervous before tripping, even giiven much more experience...I mean, tripping IS something to be edgy about- you are altering reality at its very base (mind).

That said, about 18months ago I would be shaking before I tripped; now I don't get nervous at all- besides with ayahuasca. That is a terryfyngly beautful experience, but becaue I KNOW there will be a negative physical aspect at first, its kinda like going to the dentist.

Hmm. Analogy failed there. :D
 
humans are pattern recognition machines, so when we eat psychedelics which open the floodgates of neural input to a lot of noise / extra data, it seems natural to try and extract meaning and reason and connection and clarity from sensory experiences which lack meaning and clarity.

however, this tends to result in magical thinking and unintentional experiences of synchronicity, such that trippers feel like, "things are happening just for me", "all information is going to become a singularity at 2012", or whatever silly psychoactive-induced theory you happen to posit.

its fun to think about and toss around with your friends, but if you start taking your psychedelic musings too seriously, you need to lay off the trips for a while.

t mckenna was a writer, not a scientist. same goes for pinchbeck and co.
 
^I agree that magical thinking should be avoided, but the polar-opposite mindset of strict rationalism is probably equally as toxic.

In issues of psychedelia especially, its important to try to keep firm footing in the middle-ground between the two extremes. :)
 
yes. yeas! every single psychoactive compound i have ingested since I have been paying m ore and more attention to vibrations and things that are going on earth with us. some really radical stuff going on and leading up to something. Ive felt it every since I started experimenting with compounds a couple years ago. might as well enjoy. peace peace!
 
strangedays_indeed said:
Ive felt it every since I started experimenting with compounds a couple years ago.
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Well see, here this begs the question:

Is this all just drug-induced delusion, or is it actually happening, or both, or neither?

The feeling of synchronicity that drives many of you to feel like we are progressing towards some type of teleological end (whether at 2012 or another time), is clearly caused by something neurochemically.

The real question is "what is this something?". Is the cause of the changes an actual emergent pattern in human behavior, an actual shift from one trend towards another, that really is leading towards some type of outcome? Did the existence of this trend just become so obvious that you could no longer ignore it, forcing your attention to the matter?

Or is the cause of this feeling, for lack of a more eloquent way to put it, merely the effects of the drugs? Perhaps the actual cause of this feeling being the profound changes in neurochemistry elicited from the ingestion of extremely effective pharmacological agents? Perhaps consensus reality isn't undergoing any type of large-scale shift at all.

Then again, there's yet another possibility. Perhaps the pattern really is emerging, and the use of these psychopharmacological agents merely catalyzed ones ability to recognize them.

There's also the possibility that none of these factors had significant influence, and its all due to other random and currently unseen factors.

I have no opinion on this one way or the other, but these are questions that must be asked. If you feel strongly about this issue in some way, dissect the whole matter and carefully analyze it-- discover how you really feel, and why. :)
 
Roger&Me said:
Then again, there's yet another possibility. Perhaps the pattern really is emerging, and the use of these psychopharmacological agents merely catalyzed ones ability to recognize them.
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This is what I tend to believe. Psychedelic drugs can exaggerate it and skew your understanding of it, but I believe that the commonalities between the insights people experience on (and off!) these drugs are not a coincidence.

We were once only animals before we also became people. Since then humanity has been moving steadily in a particular direction; on a particular path. For most of history we were blissfully unaware of even most of the basics of the reality of our universe (and of ourselves) and so it wasn't a human-planned path: it was emergent. Now we understand a little more (though still not much) and the pace of cultural and global evolution has accelerated.

We are absolutely moving towards something. What though? An ideal? An understanding? A better way of existing and co-existing? Whatever it is, it has its basis in all of human history of suffering, overcoming, and gaining incremental enlightenment.

Whatever the case, despite the amazing power of these drugs, don't be under any allusions that they hold the truth. They simply tweak your mind so that you can (sometimes) more easily see the truth. You can also sometimes more easily see something that looks like truth but is really garbage. Know your mind's great power as well as its great limitations and you'll be alright.
 
I think you can find literature from pretty much any time in history that indicates the generation that wrote it thought they were on the cusp of something great and saw signs of it everywhere. It makes life more interesting. Right before the year 1000 the Christian world was certain of the coming rapture. 10 years ago it was 2000, now we only have one big ancient prophesy to check off left, so now it's 2012 or the Singularity.

The truth is, the world today has already become something great. There are less armed conflicts than ever in recorded history. Infant mortality, poverty, and sickness are at their lowest, and worldwide the standard of living and life expectancy is at its highest. But all these indicators of progress have been steadily and predictably improving for decades. What a snore.
 
psood0nym said:
I think you can find literature from pretty much any time in history that indicates the generation that wrote it thought they were on the cusp of something great and saw signs of it everywhere. It makes life more interesting. Right before the year 1000 the Christian world was certain of the coming rapture. 10 years ago it was 2000, now we only have one big ancient prophesy to check off left, so now it's 2012 or the Singularity.

The truth is, the world today has already become something great. There are less armed conflicts than ever in recorded history. Infant mortality, poverty, and sickness are at their lowest, and worldwide the standard of living and life expectancy is at its highest. But all these indicators of progress have been steadily and predictably improving for decades. What a snore.
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QFT. But why a snore? It's only going to get better.
 
^A snore because it's happening slowly and predictably and isn't an apocalypse or a sudden brilliant flash that unifies human consciousness on computer chips.
 
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