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psilocybin mushrooms. emptiness/anxiety

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flyCrow

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now ive only tried shrooms one time. 3.5 grams. other then a really good body high as i entered the trip, i had a bad time. i got this feeling of anxiety that i couldnt shake. i think this anxiety was a fear of the emptiness i was experiencing. and i think its possible that the fact i still had some kind of sense of self to hold onto was the reason i was experiencing these negative feelings that i associated with the emptiness. but i really dont know. i havent tried them again and im not sure i should. but i still want some of these great experiences ive read about. so if i do try them again i will have a bigger dosage. maybe around 7 grams.

this anxiety that i felt really was the worst. i felt helpless and trapped in an indifferent world. but the way i see it, bringing this emptiness to the surface isnt necessarily a bad thing. step 2 is to deal with it and accept it. and maybe find happiness from it.

what are your thoughts on this? any experienced mushroom users. should i learn my lesson from the first time around? or should i stick to it and maybe have a bigger dosage?
 
3.5g I think is a large dose for a first time user, and going up to 7g is quite a big jump. I think you should give it some time before you trip again. Trip when you're absolutely certain about tripping. I'd also give 3.5g another shot, or perhaps even less. I've had an amazing trip on 2g, so I don't think dosage is the issue. If you're looking for ego loss and complete disconnection from reality then by all means go for 7g, but you may not be ready for it.

Anxiety is normal especially if you're having a new experience for the first time. Psychedelics also enhance whatever you're feeling. I like to take caution, and this is also a harm reduction forum, so I wouldn't recommend doing 7g just yet. Play around with lower dosages, get experience with the psychedelic mind state, then decide whether or not you'd like to dive into the deep end.

Edit: I'd also like to add that psychedelics aren't particularly "easy" drugs like MDMA, where you just take it and are pretty much guaranteed a good time. Psychedelics seem to require effort whether it be a little or a lot.
 
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i didnt even consider taking a lower dose. i have some experience with other psychedelics and have found that the more i take of a certain one the more inclined i am to having a bad time. i will do as you say. hoping with mushrooms it will be just the opposite and the more i accustomed to it i get the better i will feel.
 
3.5 grams dried weight is a fairly large first time dose, and if it freaked you out a bit, doing7 grams the next time will too.

Take that 7 grams and split it into two more 3.5 gram doses. Try to get comfortable first before you up the dose....shrooms have quite a bit of headspace and take some getting used to.
 
3.5 vs. 7 is more than twice the jump or so I'm told. Even though its 2x the dosage its 3x overwhelming. I like a gram or two of mushies. Doesn't make me feel I'm losing my mind.
 
flyCrow said:
i didnt even consider taking a lower dose. i have some experience with other psychedelics and have found that the more i take of a certain one the more inclined i am to having a bad time. i will do as you say. hoping with mushrooms it will be just the opposite and the more i accustomed to it i get the better i will feel.
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OK...I'm confused...if MORE is worse why would not consider taking LESS?
 
im not talking bout the dosage. the more times i take a certain trip eventually it will turn against me. 25c was the most amazing thing at first and now i cant touch the stuff, its weird. might just be a psychological thing
 
I think you are taking the ego loss thing too literally. Giving credit to mumbo jumbo. And I don't understand the mentality that more of a bad thing is going to be a good thing.
 
when it comes down to it i just want to have a good time. and anything that brings to surface issues that i can and should deal with i think is a good thing.
 
Have you tried LSD or other psychedelics? I love LSD but hate mushrooms. I also hate weed. It puts me into that anxious, trapped headspace you describe. My theory is that some kind of "natural" ingredient that makes other people prefer naturally grown substances like weed and mushrooms makes them not agree with me. I'll take laboratory synthesized any day.
 
lsd works a charm. have only tried it a few times when alone and had a head space to think but its so expensive where im from. i really i want mushrooms to work for me so that i can grow them myself. marijuana has the same affect on me. so unfortunate. brain chemistry.
 
abracadabra girl said:
Have you tried LSD or other psychedelics? I love LSD but hate mushrooms. I also hate weed. It puts me into that anxious, trapped headspace you describe. My theory is that some kind of "natural" ingredient that makes other people prefer naturally grown substances like weed and mushrooms makes them not agree with me. I'll take laboratory synthesized any day.
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I used to be the same way then I started taking small doses of Shrooms and going for walks in the woods. Completely changed my mind. Not as fun as acid but a beautiful experience. Same goes for weed. I dislike it indoors these days. Acid is more versatile. Any setting can be good. Bad too.
 
flyCrow said:
when it comes down to it i just want to have a good time. and anything that brings to surface issues that i can and should deal with i think is a good thing.
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Within the framework of the Buddhist Path, reflecting on suffering has tremendous importance because by realizing the nature of suffering, you will develop greater resolve to put an end to the causes of suffering and the unwholesome deeds which lead to suffering. And it will increase your enthusiasm for engaging in the wholesome actions and deeds which lead to happiness and joy. By Dalai Lama

Seems like that quote reflects your thinking. Hope you enjoy. Still not sure its the best answer
 
Yea it probably isn't the best way. Definitely not essential. I like buddhist logic. Will try to be outside next time I eat mushies
 
Oh well shit. If you like Buddhist logic then suffering is caused by desire and the desire to end suffering leads to zen.
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I see some base mistakes in FlyCrow's POV on psychedelics (and probably on managing other experiences, be them drug related or not).
.-Magic is magic. You can't push or force magic. If you got wonderfull experiences once, it doesn't mean you will get another magical/wonderfull/complete/illuminating experience again.
.-Magic is magic and you can't (mostly) control it. So, when you think of repeating again with one substance:
a)Learn from experience and go for something you knew you felt comfortable with
b)Go open minded and ready to anything. You just have the right of having a go, and not to decide what will happen, so receive whatever comes to you with sobriety and a relaxed state of mind.

Psychedelics is not a compulsory subject everybody hast be comfortable with and see God whenever mushrooms are ingested. Maybe you are not learning what your relation with psychedelics has to be, it seems again you are trying to push on the most unpushable drugs of all.

%) Sorry about that silly magic stuff but it suits pretty weel them damn mushrooms and the rest.
 
i agree with that you said bout the way i should go into psychedelics. but i think any of the magic to be found in mushrooms or whatever else is already in our consciousness, they can just bring it out. i dont want to control my trip so much. i just wanted to know if it ws worthwhile to try it again. if i find a better understanding of myself,scary or painful as it might be, then good. i want to embrace anything that comes up, not push it away or try to control how i feel.
 
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