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So, I'm going to be dosing with 4-aco-dmt soon with a bunch of close friends and my fiance.
I don't have a very accurate scale (just a normal gram pot scale).
If I weighed out 0.1g (100mg) on it and dissolved that in 100mL of Isopropyl Alcohol, and shook it up, and we took about 15-20mL each, would this be a safe way of dosing it?
 
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to answer your question:
No its not safe. I'm not really sure what the accuracy of your pot scale is - you say a gram but that would not even enable you to read 0.1g. I assume it is 0.1g accurate so reading [123.4 g] for instance. That means that the actual weight could be between 123.35 and 123.45 g! So weighing 0.1g could mean between 50 mg and 150 mg, a huge difference! This is quite dangerous, not at all a real possibility.

Say you would have a 0.01g scale then weighing 0.10g leaves you with between 95 and 105 mg. This is still not great but you can overcome such a margin of error when using volumetric measurement.

Please note that there is a big thread about this type of method: The Big & Dandy Liquid Measurement Thread. This thread will be merged with that one. Also check the Big & Dandy Scale Thread.

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Two important questions:

1. How accurate is your scale?

2. How much material do you have total to work with?

If you want to measure 100mg of material, a 10mg (0.01g) scale is an absolute minimum. Ideally, you'd want to weigh out more material than that or use an even more accurate scale, but a 10% or so difference between actual and expected dose won't be a huge disaster with 4-aco-dmt.

Once you have a known amount of material measured at least reasonably accurately (rule of thumb is at least 10x as much material as the smallest unit on your scale, preferably much more than that but that should be good enough for 4-aco-dmt doses - so you wouldn't want to try to measure less than 1.0g if you're stuck with a 0.1g scale), you will take a known volume of water or alcohol (I believe 4-aco-dmt is soluble in both but double check this first) and dissolve the material in it. Once the material is fully dissolved, simply divide the amount of material by the volume of solvent (so 100mg of material in 50mL in solvent would be 2mg per 1mL) and use a syringe to measure out the appropriate volume for your desired dose.

Do you only have 100mg total material, or will you be weighing that out of a larger amount? Don't take your supplier's word for it on how much material you have - people sometimes get half or double what they ordered, which can radically throw off your dosing! If you have at least a gram of material, you could just weigh the whole amount to verify that you have the amount you think you have and dissolve it all into solvent. You'll want to store the leftovers in the freezer, either in a dark bottle or wrapped up in a bag or something to keep it in the dark.
 
Yes question 2 is relevant since both of these factors combine into how possible and accurate it is to dose volumetrically, however if you have an inaccurate scale and a big amount of 4-AcO-DMT I really wouldn't dissolve too much because it may very well degrade in solution over time. Always dissolve a minimal amount of compound if it's not super stable like most phens.
You could stuff a solution of a tryptamine in the freezer for preservation but its still not preferable IMO.
 
Why would you use IPA as a solvent for something you plan on ingesting in liquid form? I don't want to drink any isopropyl, even if it is only a few drops. Use water or ethanol.
 
^^ Agreed. While a tiny amount of IPA isn't likely to cause any problems, it's still not a good idea when you can just use ethanol instead. If you can't get everclear or something comparable where you live, vodka tends to work well as a solvent; it's mostly just ethanol and water anyway, and it doesn't add too much taste beyond the taste of ethanol itself.

As for evaporation, any long-term stored solution ought to be in an airtight container, which should minimise the risk of significant evaporation. Straight vodka, or vodka and distilled water if you want a lower concentration solvent without having to drink a significant amount of ethanol to get a proper dose, seems ideal to me; alcohol has the substantial benefit of speeding up absorption. Even if you use water, you should always add at least a little ethanol if you plan to store it for long to prevent bacteria/mold growth.
 
Funky :)
Have thought about chlorobutanol as a preservative, not sure about how that would work with its sedating effects tho. It would have to be a relatively small volume of aqueous soln.
 
for 4-aco-anything, the ideal solvent might actually be acetic acid, because plain h2o will slowly hydrolyze the ester bond into the free phenol. glacial acetic acid (would taste sucky, but as a tincture should be ok to dilute in a drink) would prevent the loss of 4-aco group from a tryptamine
 
solistus said:
Two important questions:

1. How accurate is your scale?

2. How much material do you have total to work with?

If you want to measure 100mg of material, a 10mg (0.01g) scale is an absolute minimum. Ideally, you'd want to weigh out more material than that or use an even more accurate scale, but a 10% or so difference between actual and expected dose won't be a huge disaster with 4-aco-dmt.

Once you have a known amount of material measured at least reasonably accurately (rule of thumb is at least 10x as much material as the smallest unit on your scale, preferably much more than that but that should be good enough for 4-aco-dmt doses - so you wouldn't want to try to measure less than 1.0g if you're stuck with a 0.1g scale), you will take a known volume of water or alcohol (I believe 4-aco-dmt is soluble in both but double check this first) and dissolve the material in it. Once the material is fully dissolved, simply divide the amount of material by the volume of solvent (so 100mg of material in 50mL in solvent would be 2mg per 1mL) and use a syringe to measure out the appropriate volume for your desired dose.

Do you only have 100mg total material, or will you be weighing that out of a larger amount? Don't take your supplier's word for it on how much material you have - people sometimes get half or double what they ordered, which can radically throw off your dosing! If you have at least a gram of material, you could just weigh the whole amount to verify that you have the amount you think you have and dissolve it all into solvent. You'll want to store the leftovers in the freezer, either in a dark bottle or wrapped up in a bag or something to keep it in the dark.
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I am stuck with a 0.1g scale. If I worked very slowly, by tearing it with a small vial in the direct center of the scale, and slowly added bit of powder after bit of powder (like very slowly) and as soon as it hit 0.1 would this be SEMI-safe?
 
yourtman said:
I am stuck with a 0.1g scale. If I worked very slowly, by tearing it with a small vial in the direct center of the scale, and slowly added bit of powder after bit of powder (like very slowly) and as soon as it hit 0.1 would this be SEMI-safe?
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this path, and any minor variations on it that you might also feel like presenting here, are all fails. you just need more accurate scales. 0.1g is simply no good.
 
the scale will show 0.1 and you could have between 0.0g and 0.2g. or you could have 0.5g and a small breeze. or 0.8g and some static electricity. get a better scale pronto.
 
greenmeanies said:
for 4-aco-anything, the ideal solvent might actually be acetic acid, because plain h2o will slowly hydrolyze the ester bond into the free phenol. glacial acetic acid (would taste sucky, but as a tincture should be ok to dilute in a drink) would prevent the loss of 4-aco group from a tryptamine
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So if I am to buy 100mg of 4-aco-dmt, what is the best way to liquid measure it if I don't mind asking?

I am very confused about all of this.
 
If you can afford to buy drugs, then you can afford to buy a 1mg weight.

The cheap ones on ebay are good enough for your purpose.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Are you sure?

I don't want a super-inaccurate dose, liquid measuring is preferred since I was interested in IVing 4-aco-DMT. If I wanted to prepare a single dose, would adding water to it work?
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My reply was actually directed at the OP.
If you buy 100mg you can be fairly (but not completely) sure that its close to accurate. I know nothing about IV'ing, but to do liquid measuring you just put a known amount of material in a known volume of liquid. Then taking a 10th of the total volume will give you a 10th of the material etc...
 
Yourtman:

No

You couldn't possibly make it safer than the limitations you are given. Things
just are the way they are. You cannot rely on your sources to give you the
correct amount either so the only available solution is to buy an accurate
scale for these sorts of substances! Skipping this step is not a possibility.
Don't get one for 10$ at eBay since those can be unreliable. On the other hand
it won't cost you a fortune, discuss it further here in The Big & Dandy Scale Thread.

Captain.Heroin said:
So if I am to buy 100mg of 4-aco-dmt, what is the best way to liquid measure it if I don't mind asking?

I am very confused about all of this.
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It depends, how long do you plan on storing 100 mg?
 
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