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Mods: please move to trip reports. Thanks.
A couple of notes: I preserved some grammatical errors in here. Somehow, it seemed more true to my voice at the time. I submit this relatively mundane account just because there's a dearth of reports on propylhexedrine.
Beginning Parameters:
After scouring the Internet for information, I came home one afternoon (~4 PM) with 250 mg of propylhexedrine, in a single inhaler, Benzedrex brand. It was 7 friggin' dollars! Ah well.
I notify my partner (K) of my purchase, and she's in. This should work out well, as I was planning on testing the waters with 125 mg. This would later show itself to be a good bit better than a "test".
Set and setting:
moderate experience with different types of amphetamines (without habitual use at any point), very little experience with cocaine and Ritalin, some ephedrine experience (yuk!). Light experience with MDMA and MDA (~7 times, spaced widely, the magic's still there!) Varied experience with many drugs of various classes. Abstinence from anything resembling amphetamine for ~a week and a half.
It's a sunny day, and I'm coming back from a strenuous bike ride, but I'm not too tired. Well, I wasn't before I had 2 beers and some weed with lunch. However, the weed fog was dispelling by the time I drank my propyl' brew. I had 150 mg caffeine that morning, which had since worn off.
Methods:
The first step was breaking the damned thing open, which involved me tediously chipping away at the brittle plastic covering, incurring a small cut in the process 'cause I'm a klutzy nerd. In later trials, I would learn that twisting out the nose-piece with pliers works far better. With the knowledge that it's pretty bad to eat cotton, I opted to do an extract. I first tore the insert into pieces (I had trouble cutting it apart) and then soaked the cotton in ~2-3 oz of warmed (but not boiling) lime juice (this is the only acid I could find in the house). While letting the cotton soak with periodic shaking for 15 minutes, I tasted my fingers: yuk! Bitterness + menthol + lavender. Next, I added additional warm water to give my solution a volume of 8 oz.. I shook periodically for 15 more minutes. Next, I poured the solution into a measuring cup, straining it with a metal coffee filter...this was easy and mess-free. I then set the remaining cotton, re-torn, to soak in 4 oz. of ~40 percent alcohol vodka, for a 2nd pass extraction. I would later find that the second wash tasted quite mild and didn't do much psychoactively.
I preloaded with 30 mg DXM and 500 mg magnesium (to combat accrual of tolerance, and the magnesium to reduce muscle-tension too) and 1 dose of calcium carbonate antacids (2000 mg?) (as many drugs absorb better in a more basic environment, particularly those that are phenethylamine-based...I don't know if this works for propylhexedrine). I have a daily regimen of a multivitamin, b-12, b-complex, and 15 mg. mirtazapine at bedtime (for sleep, mostly).
Down the hatch! We diluted our servings with diet 7-up so as to cut the acidity and improve the taste. I thought that mine was "tolerable" while K said that hers actually tasted good! Much better than the horror stories that I've heard about the taste. K would later get menthol/lavender burps, but I didn't. Odd.
I was expecting something between Ritalin and caffeine (I dislike the former due to its jitteriness and nasty come-down and use the latter solely in low doses). Boy was I in for a pleasant surprise.
Narrative of the experience:
[Chronology will be estimated...this was written 1 day after the "experiment".]
Time of ingestion: 6:05 PM
I then took a shower and shaved to occupy myself rather than sit and wonder, "Am I high yet??'.
T + 30 mintues: I get a "something"...perhaps placebo, as I shave.
T + 45 minutes: As I do the dishes, I begin to "come up". This is nice and smooth! Actually less jittery than Adderall. Euphoria is mild to moderate. K's friend, O, calls, and she'll be coming over soon. We then set about cleaning up the place in preparation. I am actually getting into cleaning! This doesn't even usually happen to me on "stronger" stims. I'm usually pretty happy to live in clutter.
T + 1:15: Feeling better! Still very few jitters. Nice, tingly body-buzz. Conversation is fluid and enjoyable, and the music I have on (Frontline Assembly...my musical junk-food) is most captivating, although it doesn't sound "different" a la cannabis or psychedelics.
I am also doing Internet stuff intermittently (some message-board shit, mostly). I feel sharp, efficient, and insightful, and dicking around on the Internet is pleasantly engrossing. My focus and motivation both enjoy a clear boost. This would likely be a dandy substance for (academic) writing or studying.
T + ~3:00: I run to "pick up" O on my bike from the train station (she's on bike too). Biking feels great! I am immune to fatigue and I feel like I can race along more quickly. I meet O a few blocks away from the station, as she got caught up in a critical mass ride, complete with blasting industrialish music. We ride in the crowd for a bit and then break off to go to K and my place. Conversation and riding is fun.
O is against harder stimulant use, so we didn't bring up the Benzedrex, but it's not as if we felt we need to hide it. O will just be smoking weed this evening.
T + 3:15: Hanging out with O and K. Conversation and music are thoroughly enjoyable. Listening to my usual weird-ass music, shifting conversational topics often. I am likely at some sort of "plateau". Still nice tingles, moderate euphoria, very chatty, few jitters. This shit's better than Adderall, at least in my brain...crappy ersatz Ritalin this ain't
T + 3:25: We have a bowl session. I have just one hit (indica hash sprinkled on kind indica). I don't ingest more, as cannabis has caused me anxiety in the past, and I don't wanna push it when on a new (to me) stimulant. That said, this hash is pretty potent, and in the past it's gotten me moderately high from 1 hit. This time, the cannabis seems to do almost nothing, except I see mild patterning on the walls, and my limbs are slightly "fuzzy".
T + 3:30: We are HUNGRY (but I notice that I am less-so than I'd usually be (I get ridiculous munchies from pot)), so we order take out at a Mexican place a block away. We opt to have a quick clove cigarette on the way. There is a mild synergy, as I find is the case with cannabis, other stimulants, and nicotine. At most I smoke 1 to 2 times a day (striving for more like thrice a week), so I still get nicotine buzzes. The nicotine feels a bit more stimulating and makes the cannabis visuals more defined (I am also weird in that nicotine alone gives me mild visual patterning, closest to what I get on dissociatives). Conversation is still involved even though the topics are pretty trivial.
T + 4:00: Just prior to dining, I first notice how dry my mouth is, moreso than with other stimulants. Perhaps I haven't been as vigilant drinking fluids as a should've been. Perhaps there's some synergy with that lil' bit of cannabis.
We are now back at home and dining...I find that my appetite is muted (by a little): I am eating more slowly, getting distracted talking, and only finish half of my burrito. So, yes, the typical stimulant anorexia (which ephedrine and caffeine never give me) is there. I would say that the propyl' is about as anorexic as methamphetamine, which I still can eat on, just smaller portions than I'd have when sober. I have also begun drinking mixed drinks (vodka + diet soda) and smoking cannabis periodically at this point. Now my mouth is really drying out! The cannabis is doing its usual thing, but its effects are a bit attenuated, and it is not at all sedating. I also notice what seems to be my own bad breath...yuk. I get some gum soon.
During the rest of the evening while O's over, we just shoot the shit, drink (not O), and smoke weed. I think I'm beginning to come down, but very slowly and gently. As an added bonus, there is little or no desire to re-dose!
I check my pupils. They're huge, rivaling MDMA (but losing by a tiny margin)! I usually don't get dilated pupils on classical stimulants except with high doses. Might propylhexedrine be somewhat of a serotonin releaser?
T + 5: I ride with O to the train station. Still feel like Lance Armstrong in the saddle. Well, now I just feel really corny.
T + 5: 30: I'm now Back at home, my mind is feeling slower and foggier, I'm getting fewer tingles, I'm not as chatty, and my mood seems to be varying from slightly grumpy to neutral. Time to counter the negative effects of 1 drug with other drugs! I sublingual 1 mg of alprazolam (yeah, I can handle it), ramp up the weed tokes, and sip on some drinks.
T + 6:30 and onward: Things are winding down. Still some residual stimulation. Mood is neutral. This feels like alcohol + xanax + weed usually does, but I'm a tad more wakeful.
K and I decide to explore sex a lil' bit. We stop after a couple of minutes. We both found giving oral to be great fun, but receiving it felt "weird".
At this point, I notice a mild headache. I take some ibuprofen, and it actually works twenty minutes later (ibuprofen almost never works of me)!
For the most part, K and I go to do our own things. Initially, I spend some time firing off e-mails and message board crap. I feel that I'm doing so more efficiently than I would when sober, and I feel a tad more insightful. I find this activity interesting too! But this slowly loses its splendor. I feel a bit lonely and bored...there are not enough Internet people to amuse me...
And yet I don't feel like interacting with K. I want alone-time, but with "fake"/buffered interaction on the Internet. Perhaps I just want to write a buncha shit. I have begun to find that cannabis will often make me more introverted, which can be problematic, as I am already pretty introverted to begin with.
This is a problem, because K is very snuggly and lovey-gushy at this moment. I am very appreciative, but I on the other hand sorta have some weird nervous energy that is driving me away form K physically and making me want to "center myself" by avoiding direct contact with people. In short, I'm an introvert trying to recharge. However, after intermittent snuggles, K falls asleep.
T + ?: toward slumber time. I notice that I am significantly more wakeful than I was an hour ago, and I also feel some mild amphetamine-type focus. Uh-oh. I eat another 1 mg of alprazolam, get sipping on a night-cap, lay down in bed, and cross my fingers. In fifteen minutes, I feel a wave of benzoness wash over me, and I sleep, and indeed sleep normally.
The aftermath:
However, I went to bed at ~4:20 AM (lulz!) and awoke at 10:30 AM. I went to bed way later than usual but got up at the usual (for now) time. I felt pretty good. Pretty much like I got 6 hours of sleep without drugs the night before. Yet my pupils remained a bit dilated, and I felt a tinge of residual stimulation. So no nasty crash waiting to surprise me.
Comments in summation:
1. This shit is good. A tad better than Adderall, way better than Ritalin. Propyl' also lasts a long time and doesn't lend itself to compulsion, yet it is still pretty fun. Why is propylhexedrine still OTC in the US? There is a viable substitute without recreational potential, l-methamphetamine inhalers (eg, Vicks). Lucky us, I guess...
2. I suspect that propylhexedrine has mild serotonergic properties (I'm guessing 5ht release a la MDMA or meth-amp, but not very much). Why? Well, propyl' shares some of the tactile goodies and the massively dilated pupils of E. Others have reported mild empathogenesis on propyl', but I didn't really observe anything of that nature.
3. Potency? I would guess what I took was a smidge less powerful than 20 mg of d-amp...but that's just my impression of how it felt. This would place propyl's potency at roughly 1/5 of d-amp's. I wonder if there are data from animal experiments pertinent to this question laying about somewhere...
A couple of notes: I preserved some grammatical errors in here. Somehow, it seemed more true to my voice at the time. I submit this relatively mundane account just because there's a dearth of reports on propylhexedrine.
Beginning Parameters:
After scouring the Internet for information, I came home one afternoon (~4 PM) with 250 mg of propylhexedrine, in a single inhaler, Benzedrex brand. It was 7 friggin' dollars! Ah well.
I notify my partner (K) of my purchase, and she's in. This should work out well, as I was planning on testing the waters with 125 mg. This would later show itself to be a good bit better than a "test".
Set and setting:
moderate experience with different types of amphetamines (without habitual use at any point), very little experience with cocaine and Ritalin, some ephedrine experience (yuk!). Light experience with MDMA and MDA (~7 times, spaced widely, the magic's still there!
) Varied experience with many drugs of various classes. Abstinence from anything resembling amphetamine for ~a week and a half. It's a sunny day, and I'm coming back from a strenuous bike ride, but I'm not too tired. Well, I wasn't before I had 2 beers and some weed with lunch. However, the weed fog was dispelling by the time I drank my propyl' brew. I had 150 mg caffeine that morning, which had since worn off.
Methods:
The first step was breaking the damned thing open, which involved me tediously chipping away at the brittle plastic covering, incurring a small cut in the process 'cause I'm a klutzy nerd.
In later trials, I would learn that twisting out the nose-piece with pliers works far better. With the knowledge that it's pretty bad to eat cotton, I opted to do an extract. I first tore the insert into pieces (I had trouble cutting it apart) and then soaked the cotton in ~2-3 oz of warmed (but not boiling) lime juice (this is the only acid I could find in the house). While letting the cotton soak with periodic shaking for 15 minutes, I tasted my fingers: yuk! Bitterness + menthol + lavender. Next, I added additional warm water to give my solution a volume of 8 oz.. I shook periodically for 15 more minutes. Next, I poured the solution into a measuring cup, straining it with a metal coffee filter...this was easy and mess-free. I then set the remaining cotton, re-torn, to soak in 4 oz. of ~40 percent alcohol vodka, for a 2nd pass extraction. I would later find that the second wash tasted quite mild and didn't do much psychoactively.I preloaded with 30 mg DXM and 500 mg magnesium (to combat accrual of tolerance, and the magnesium to reduce muscle-tension too) and 1 dose of calcium carbonate antacids (2000 mg?) (as many drugs absorb better in a more basic environment, particularly those that are phenethylamine-based...I don't know if this works for propylhexedrine). I have a daily regimen of a multivitamin, b-12, b-complex, and 15 mg. mirtazapine at bedtime (for sleep, mostly).
Down the hatch! We diluted our servings with diet 7-up so as to cut the acidity and improve the taste. I thought that mine was "tolerable" while K said that hers actually tasted good! Much better than the horror stories that I've heard about the taste. K would later get menthol/lavender burps, but I didn't. Odd.
I was expecting something between Ritalin and caffeine (I dislike the former due to its jitteriness and nasty come-down and use the latter solely in low doses). Boy was I in for a pleasant surprise.
Narrative of the experience:
[Chronology will be estimated...this was written 1 day after the "experiment".]
Time of ingestion: 6:05 PM
I then took a shower and shaved to occupy myself rather than sit and wonder, "Am I high yet??'.
T + 30 mintues: I get a "something"...perhaps placebo, as I shave.
T + 45 minutes: As I do the dishes, I begin to "come up". This is nice and smooth! Actually less jittery than Adderall. Euphoria is mild to moderate. K's friend, O, calls, and she'll be coming over soon. We then set about cleaning up the place in preparation. I am actually getting into cleaning! This doesn't even usually happen to me on "stronger" stims. I'm usually pretty happy to live in clutter.
T + 1:15: Feeling better! Still very few jitters. Nice, tingly body-buzz. Conversation is fluid and enjoyable, and the music I have on (Frontline Assembly...my musical junk-food) is most captivating, although it doesn't sound "different" a la cannabis or psychedelics.
I am also doing Internet stuff intermittently (some message-board shit, mostly). I feel sharp, efficient, and insightful, and dicking around on the Internet is pleasantly engrossing. My focus and motivation both enjoy a clear boost. This would likely be a dandy substance for (academic) writing or studying.
T + ~3:00: I run to "pick up" O on my bike from the train station (she's on bike too). Biking feels great! I am immune to fatigue and I feel like I can race along more quickly. I meet O a few blocks away from the station, as she got caught up in a critical mass ride, complete with blasting industrialish music. We ride in the crowd for a bit and then break off to go to K and my place. Conversation and riding is fun.
O is against harder stimulant use, so we didn't bring up the Benzedrex, but it's not as if we felt we need to hide it. O will just be smoking weed this evening.
T + 3:15: Hanging out with O and K. Conversation and music are thoroughly enjoyable. Listening to my usual weird-ass music, shifting conversational topics often. I am likely at some sort of "plateau". Still nice tingles, moderate euphoria, very chatty, few jitters. This shit's better than Adderall, at least in my brain...crappy ersatz Ritalin this ain't
T + 3:25: We have a bowl session. I have just one hit (indica hash sprinkled on kind indica). I don't ingest more, as cannabis has caused me anxiety in the past, and I don't wanna push it when on a new (to me) stimulant. That said, this hash is pretty potent, and in the past it's gotten me moderately high from 1 hit. This time, the cannabis seems to do almost nothing, except I see mild patterning on the walls, and my limbs are slightly "fuzzy".
T + 3:30: We are HUNGRY (but I notice that I am less-so than I'd usually be (I get ridiculous munchies from pot)), so we order take out at a Mexican place a block away. We opt to have a quick clove cigarette on the way. There is a mild synergy, as I find is the case with cannabis, other stimulants, and nicotine. At most I smoke 1 to 2 times a day (striving for more like thrice a week), so I still get nicotine buzzes. The nicotine feels a bit more stimulating and makes the cannabis visuals more defined (I am also weird in that nicotine alone gives me mild visual patterning, closest to what I get on dissociatives). Conversation is still involved even though the topics are pretty trivial.
T + 4:00: Just prior to dining, I first notice how dry my mouth is, moreso than with other stimulants. Perhaps I haven't been as vigilant drinking fluids as a should've been. Perhaps there's some synergy with that lil' bit of cannabis.
We are now back at home and dining...I find that my appetite is muted (by a little): I am eating more slowly, getting distracted talking, and only finish half of my burrito. So, yes, the typical stimulant anorexia (which ephedrine and caffeine never give me) is there. I would say that the propyl' is about as anorexic as methamphetamine, which I still can eat on, just smaller portions than I'd have when sober. I have also begun drinking mixed drinks (vodka + diet soda) and smoking cannabis periodically at this point. Now my mouth is really drying out! The cannabis is doing its usual thing, but its effects are a bit attenuated, and it is not at all sedating. I also notice what seems to be my own bad breath...yuk. I get some gum soon.During the rest of the evening while O's over, we just shoot the shit, drink (not O), and smoke weed. I think I'm beginning to come down, but very slowly and gently. As an added bonus, there is little or no desire to re-dose!
I check my pupils. They're huge, rivaling MDMA (but losing by a tiny margin)! I usually don't get dilated pupils on classical stimulants except with high doses. Might propylhexedrine be somewhat of a serotonin releaser?
T + 5: I ride with O to the train station. Still feel like Lance Armstrong in the saddle. Well, now I just feel really corny.
T + 5: 30: I'm now Back at home, my mind is feeling slower and foggier, I'm getting fewer tingles, I'm not as chatty, and my mood seems to be varying from slightly grumpy to neutral. Time to counter the negative effects of 1 drug with other drugs!
I sublingual 1 mg of alprazolam (yeah, I can handle it), ramp up the weed tokes, and sip on some drinks.T + 6:30 and onward: Things are winding down. Still some residual stimulation. Mood is neutral. This feels like alcohol + xanax + weed usually does, but I'm a tad more wakeful.
K and I decide to explore sex a lil' bit. We stop after a couple of minutes. We both found giving oral to be great fun, but receiving it felt "weird".
At this point, I notice a mild headache. I take some ibuprofen, and it actually works twenty minutes later (ibuprofen almost never works of me)!
For the most part, K and I go to do our own things. Initially, I spend some time firing off e-mails and message board crap. I feel that I'm doing so more efficiently than I would when sober, and I feel a tad more insightful. I find this activity interesting too! But this slowly loses its splendor. I feel a bit lonely and bored...there are not enough Internet people to amuse me...
And yet I don't feel like interacting with K. I want alone-time, but with "fake"/buffered interaction on the Internet. Perhaps I just want to write a buncha shit.
I have begun to find that cannabis will often make me more introverted, which can be problematic, as I am already pretty introverted to begin with.This is a problem, because K is very snuggly and lovey-gushy at this moment. I am very appreciative, but I on the other hand sorta have some weird nervous energy that is driving me away form K physically and making me want to "center myself" by avoiding direct contact with people. In short, I'm an introvert trying to recharge. However, after intermittent snuggles, K falls asleep.
T + ?: toward slumber time. I notice that I am significantly more wakeful than I was an hour ago, and I also feel some mild amphetamine-type focus. Uh-oh. I eat another 1 mg of alprazolam, get sipping on a night-cap, lay down in bed, and cross my fingers. In fifteen minutes, I feel a wave of benzoness wash over me, and I sleep, and indeed sleep normally.
The aftermath:
However, I went to bed at ~4:20 AM (lulz!) and awoke at 10:30 AM. I went to bed way later than usual but got up at the usual (for now) time. I felt pretty good. Pretty much like I got 6 hours of sleep without drugs the night before. Yet my pupils remained a bit dilated, and I felt a tinge of residual stimulation. So no nasty crash waiting to surprise me.
Comments in summation:
1. This shit is good.
A tad better than Adderall, way better than Ritalin. Propyl' also lasts a long time and doesn't lend itself to compulsion, yet it is still pretty fun. Why is propylhexedrine still OTC in the US? There is a viable substitute without recreational potential, l-methamphetamine inhalers (eg, Vicks). Lucky us, I guess... 2. I suspect that propylhexedrine has mild serotonergic properties (I'm guessing 5ht release a la MDMA or meth-amp, but not very much). Why? Well, propyl' shares some of the tactile goodies and the massively dilated pupils of E. Others have reported mild empathogenesis on propyl', but I didn't really observe anything of that nature.
3. Potency? I would guess what I took was a smidge less powerful than 20 mg of d-amp...but that's just my impression of how it felt. This would place propyl's potency at roughly 1/5 of d-amp's. I wonder if there are data from animal experiments pertinent to this question laying about somewhere...
