Opioids Proper dosage...

[bunge]

Methadone is a massively underated drug potency-wise. Most likely because its main uses are in chronic pain relief where a tolerance is gained to standard pain relief and as a maintence treatment again in people with a significant tolerance. Its a drug that in no way is suited to a opiate naive user, it doesnt have much of a rush and the high is unpleasent anyway. Even though you are aware of its long half-life this doesnt just preclude re-dosing with methadone but is dangerous if any cns depressant is taken while the methadone is still in your system. Also when taking strong substances you have to think of the worst case and the worst case would be OD and in that case I would much rather be ODing on heroin then methadone as methadone OD is alot more difficult to treat, although obviously better to do neither.lol basically while still being massively unforgiving, heroin is still more forgiving then methdone. Also it gives a better high then methadone but for someone opiate naive it will still be a pukefest either way. All Im asking is dont blinker yourself into picking one of them, weigh it all up in your mind including the decision not to do either and then make an informed choice. Good luck though with whatever you decide. :-D

 

[hatrix]

Great, thanks for some more in depth info. I appreciate the response. I will definitely be weighing all this out and deciding carefully. I'm in no rush and certainly don't want to OD.

 

[bunge]

Thats no problem, im happy to help. You got a good mindset with the taking your time bit, ive seen more bad drug errors due to haste and lack of planning then anything else. Anything else I can advise on then you know where I am.

 

[tomatalli]

which Continent do you reside in? If in the USA are you on the east coast, west coast, middle country?

If your on the west coast or in any othe continents than N/S America or Austrialia i would say try and smoke it off foil remember to burn off the chemicals though, start with a very small amount, half the length of a finger nail and about a mm width wise, if in N/S America or Austrialia snort that shit doing about the same amount

 

[hatrix]

I'm east coast but it doesn't really matter, I have access to either form. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[bnghit3]

I would also say stay clear of the methadone, it will fuck up your tolerance so it takes sick amounts of anything else to get high. Honestly with your tolerance so low you would probably enjoy some snorted hydromorph or Opana, just don't do more than a few mgs. H would be fine too, its just you never know how good any particular batch will be. When you did that conversion and got 5mg of H for a dose thats if its 100% and most street dope has a very low percent.

 

[Kid Amine]

My tolerance to opioids is pretty much nonexistent. I get plenty high off of 15-20mg hydrocodone. I've probably only ever had it around 10 times or less. I've had oxycodone once, it was a 30mg oxycontin pill I believe. One of the newer ones that is almost rubber like. I got it cut into fourths (after a lot of difficulty) and swallowed the fourths. Lets just say I was pretty damn high from it. Other than that I don't have that much opiate experience. Unfortunately I can't source hydrocodone or oxycodone anymore.

With such a low tolerance I'm having trouble finding a proper dosage of some of the stronger opiates. Seems 95% of people around here take crazy doses compared to me since their tolerance is so high.

I have multiple options for which opiate I can choose, I was thinking either heroin or methadone. Now this isn't a "recommend me which drug is better" thread. More of a which will be safer to dose for someone with no tolerance, and at what dosage. From what I gathered reading around, 10mg of methadone would have me plenty high and would be safe. With my heroin dose though I really can't seem to figure it out. I know it varies very highly, but I tried calculating it with the method in the beginners thread and got something like 5mg. I'm thinking yea right.... I would most likely only get one stamp. Reviews say quality is good and heavy users would get high (IV) off of 3 stamps. So maybe less than half for someone like me ?

I have read both the methadone and heroin megathreads and some others. I just want some input from individuals.

Less than half, of 3 bags? with your tolerance you would be deader than hell if you shot up a bag and a half of good H.

I started buying a bag here and there, one bag would last me 4 days, insufflated. After 6 months, I was snorting 2 at a time. Only went IV because my nose was constantly plugged up. First time I IVd, I dumped a bag in the spoon. My friend was like *thats WAY too much* and removed about 5/6ths of that bag. I didnt think Id feel crap from a match-head sized dose, but it knocked me slam on my ass and i couldnt get off the floor for over 2 hours. and that was with a fairly long time tolerance to heroin. ONE SIXTH OF ONE BAG FLATTENED ME! read that again please.

Man, I'd give just about anything to get a good buzz from 2-3 vicodin (I could when I was 18 and opiate naive then). I know u say u cant find it, but heroin, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, fentanyl, methadone are HIGH POWER opiates. It's the difference between driving a bumper car at 4mph at an amusment park, then trying to drive a 1200HP indy car at 220+ MPH. You are probably going to wreck, and badly.

Keep it recreational man. and dont try to jump to heavy duty shit. with pills, you know what you're getting. with H, it could be stomped on (cut down to nothing) or 50%+ purity.

btw, the first time I snorted an Opana 20mg (the old ones that could be crushed), I was bedridden the entire next day. couldnt do shit, helluva headache.

 

[hatrix]

Methadone just seemed like a smarter idea to me because it's pharmaceutical grade and I know exactly what I'm getting. I did a lot of reading on users with no tolerance trying out methadone.... Seemed like mostly everyone recommend 5-10mgs, but no more than 10mg. I've read though that 10mg of methadone is close to 80mg of oyxcodone which seems a little high...

I did found some hydrocodone for a decent price which I'll probably buy instead, but for the same I can also buy 4x 10mg methadone. The white round 54 142 pills. The good thing about the hydrocodone is they are 10/325s.

 

[rhun]

Methadone is not recreational. Period. No high, no euphoria, no rush. It's a medication for people who are addicted to opiates, that's all. No worries though, if you persist in trying to switch to strong opiates I'm sure you'll end up on methadone very quickly..

Yes, just get the hydrocodone. Just forget the methadone.

 

[hatrix]

I have to say, against what most people in the thread said, 10mg of methadone and 15mg of methadone both provided me with a very pleasant opiate high that had a great duration. They were dosed with 4 days in between so there was little chance of any methadone being left in my system, at least not anything that would cause my next dose to be lethal. Zero nausea. No bad feelings, just the opiate itch which i find pleasant and at some points lots of nodding.

I have another 10mg left which I will probably take in a couple days. Never had any noticeable depression in my breathing during either high and the tail end of one was combined with 0.25mg of alprazolam.

Today I took 5mg of methadone after coming down from 10mg of adderall. Didn't really feel very much because of amphetamine tolerance and some alprazolam still being in my system, though a very tiny amount. The methadone was/is felt very slightly but honestly barely noticeable. I took 0.5mg of alprazolam to help get to sleep and feel fine.

I just feel it was a better decision than heroin. While I agree I'd probably enjoy the heroin high a lot more since it's stronger and has more euphoria, I'm paranoid about it possibly being cut with fentanyl. I could very easily OD even with the tiniest amount ingested. I'm still considering trying it though. I do want to try to stick to hydrocodone as much as possible but the high just isn't very long at all. 35mg (after a CWE) had me high for a few hours at most before I fell asleep.