Prop 5: California Has a Chance to Treat Young People Struggling with Drug Problems

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California's policies have failed our youth. The state currently offers almost no help to young people struggling with drug problems. Without early intervention, too many get tied up in the juvenile justice system only to graduate to the adult criminal justice system. Next week California voters have the rare opportunity to support a measure that would simultaneously transform youth treatment, reduce adult prison overcrowding and significantly cut costs to taxpayers.

Prop. 5, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act, invests $65 million per year into developing the first system of drug treatment programs for at-risk California youth under 18. No such system exists now, leaving all but the wealthiest families to navigate through the turbulence of adolescent drug abuse on their own. Low-income youths are generally first arrested and processed into the juvenile justice system before receiving any form of treatment; even then, programs are inadequate. According to the California Legislative Analyst's Office, only 10 percent of youth who needed treatment actually receive it. Prop. 5 proposes building a system of preventative, on-demand treatment for all of California's youth.

The potential rewards are clear. Untreated drug problems can have lasting impacts far beyond the adolescent years. Investing in treatment and support services is essential to empowering youth to become productive citizens. Under Prop. 5, parents, teachers and doctors could all refer young people directly to these life-saving health services without the need for a criminal justice intervention. Research shows that adolescent treatment is effective in reducing arrests, improving academic performance and keeping youth in school.

Prop. 5 ensures that the new system of care meets the full spectrum of youth needs, including family therapy, educational and employment stipends and more. These services seek to address the roots of the problem, and not just the symptoms. Prop. 5 also provides smarter interventions for young people. Young people found in possession of small amounts of marijuana would be required to complete science-based educational programs and counseling instead of being handed a misdemeanor conviction that can severely limit their potential. Prop. 5 is institutional reform. It starts by establishing an early intervention system to save lives and stop crimes before they happen. Going further, Prop. 5 expands access to court-supervised treatment and increases accountability for offenders in those programs. It puts rehabilitation back in our prisons. Meanwhile, it improves public safety by increasing parole supervision of serious and violent offenders.

These smart reforms will significantly cut costs to taxpayers -- something no other measure on the November ballot can promise or attain. According to the independent Legislative Analyst's Office, Prop. 5 will reduce incarceration costs by $1 billion each year and prison construction costs by $2.5 billion over its first several years.

The League of Women Voters of California, California Nurses Association, California Federation of Teachers, Consumer Federation of California, California State Conference of the NAACP and National Council of La Raza all agree: A "yes" on Prop. 5 is a "yes" to our young people's futures.

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Prop 5: California Has a Chance to Treat Young People Struggling with Drug Problems the Right Way

By Marsha Rosenbaum, AlterNet. Posted October 29, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporte..._struggling_with_drug_problems_the_right_way/
 
Wow. This is really amazing. I hope to God that you all of you Californian's vote for this. We all talk about how we need to make changes in our prison system and our society for drug offenders, well here is a damn good start. It's too bad that it is only for people 18 and under, but this will be a promising beginning for the future generations. Not only will it help save (some) lives, it will save society money and help prevent overcrowded jails.

I do know that I was very ignorant when I was abusing drugs at ages 16-19. Even when I was in treatment, I usually ending up quitting and/or tried to cheat my way through it. Note that I wasn't attending these programs (ADS-Alcohol and Drug Services, IOP-Intensive Outpatient Program, CATS-Comprehensive Addiction Treatment Services) because I got in trouble with the law so it was not court ordered, it was voluntary. It took me getting in trouble with the law to change my ways but this definitely isn't the case for everyone. I wonder how they are going to try and handle kids like this because I know that a lot of kids try to find a way around the program(s) or just complete it and continue to use drugs afterward. What do you guys think?
 
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Although I don't like how it states how it "expands access to court-supervised treatment and increases (accountability for offenders) in those programs." Does that mean that if somebody get caught for pot, that there will be more supervised piss tests, and if he/she comes up postitive then there will be "Increases in penalty," for those people? They always have one side of it that sounds like it actually makes sense and is a humane law or proposition. Sounds like a wonderful idea all around, but still you can't "treat," somebody for marijuana addiction, maybe for tobbacco, cocaine, or heroin/opiates but the gov't can save soooo much money focusing on the seriously expensive and problematic drugs out there that do the most damage.

The Misdemeanor conviction which can literally ruin somebodies life, forget about a felony, for the most part will find it soooo much more difficult for the most part to find a decent job. The gov't doesn't realize how much pain they inflicked on there own people with sustained financial punishments that seem to go on forever. I'll use myself as an example, just because I have 1 "change lane ticket," in 08, I have a seat belt ticket and a cell phone ticket in 07, and 06 and 05 were similar, but nothing major!! I mean like what the fuck, I"m a great driver, I have no DWI's I have no major accidents, I never hit anybody, never killed anybody, and have never had my license suspended or revoked or anything. Just because I have a few tickets or "CONVICTIONS," on my licenses I just lost an AMAZING opportunity to work for a wonderful company with everything that one can imagine. Even though I only have 1-2 points on my license and I have no major tickets, I have to many "CONVICTIONS," on my license from seat bealts or speeding like doing 73 in 55, I mean its absolutly rediculous. Fine you get a ticket and you pay, THATS YOUR FUCKIN PUNISHMENT!!! BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO..... THEY WANT IT ON YOUR LICENSE FOR 4-5 YEARS TO PUNISH YOU MORE, PLUS INCREASE OF INSURANCE PREMIUM FROM $1600 a year to $3000 because of A FEW STUPID, PATHETIC CONVICTIONS.... its not about points its about convictions yet DRUNK DRIVERS THAT KILL PEOPLE AND OTHERS THAT CAN"T DRIVE OR HAD 10 suspended licenses can drive, why isn't their insurance $20,000 a year, HOW THE FUCK DO THEY GET TOT DRIVE!?!?! And I don't even have a felony or misdermeanor.... I can't even imagine if you do....


Its like they don't take away your freedom in a democracy like the United States, they just take away your ability to live threw sustained financial bashings/penalties which inflicked more damage mentally, physically, and emotionally than what there designed to do.
 
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I'm a Cali resident but I won't be there to vote.

Proposition 5:

Requires California to expand and increase funding and oversight for individualized treatment and rehabilitation programs for nonviolent drug offenders and parolees.
Reduces criminal consequences of nonviolent drug offenses by mandating three-tiered probation with treatment and by providing for case dismissal and/or sealing of records after probation.
Limits court’s authority to incarcerate offenders who violate probation or parole.
Shortens parole for most drug offenses, including sales, and for nonviolent property crimes.
Creates numerous divisions, boards, commissions, and reporting requirements regarding drug treatment and rehabilitation.
Changes certain marijuana misdemeanors to infractions.
Fiscal impact analysis
According to the state of California, the initiative, if it passes, would lead to:

Increased state costs that could exceed $1 billion annually primarily for expanding drug treatment and rehabilitation programs for offenders in state prisons, on parole, and in the community.
Savings to the state that could exceed $1 billion annually due primarily to reduced prison and parole operating costs.
Net savings on a one-time basis on capital outlay costs for prison facilities that could exceed $2.5 billion.
Unknown net fiscal effect on expenditures for county operations and capital outlay.

Too bad the majority of Newspapers will put forth Prop 5 with an opposing bias

Editorial boards in favor
The San Francisco Bay Guardian
Orange County Register.

Editorial boards opposed
The Los Angeles Times
The Pasadena Star News
San Diego Union-Tribune.
Sacramento Bee.
San Francisco Chronicle.
Fresno Bee.
San Jose Mercury News
Stockton Record
Contra Costa Times
Bakersfield Californian
 
I will be voting yes on prop 5. Of all the measures on the ballot I hope more than any that this passes.

However I dont think it will. Even in california it seems our politicians and religious right still have enough power to stop drug reform. I live in a very conservitave part of california and its pretty hard to miss all the bullshit being spread about how this law will "let drug dealers go free" or "encourage kids to take drugs". I just hope alot of people vote yes so that when we have a similar prop in a few years it will get more support.
 
I'm going to vote for it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I didn't even know about prop 5.

Rpg
 
I'm voting yes on Prop 5 tomorrow! Finally a drug-related proposition with some measure of understanding...
 
very nice prop here, we must not expect policy changes in a big step, this changes will come very slowly and gradually. the most importan thing is to support them and keep the track on them so they can be the basis for more good reforms.
 
455,726 / 36.5% Yes votes ...... 794,195 / 63.5% No votes

Results as of Nov 4 8:21pm, 9.6% of Precincts Reporting

Cmon people now...
 
40%for - 60%against with 95% of Precincts reporting.

Looks like the Prison lobby's $2+ million smokescreen worked over the people. The Prison Industrial Complex lives on. At least we stomped down prop 6. (build and fill more prisons.)
 
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johanneschimpo said:
Why did all these cocksuckers vote no???

I voted yes, so at least I know I did the right thing.

You can blame the valley for voting yes on prop 8 and no on prop 5.
 
Vote, vote, vote!

Treatment rather than incarceration of non-violent drug users sounds pretty logical to me. I hope that this gets passed, and that it starts to help people ASAP.
 
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