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Film Prometheus

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It's 100% the Alien prequel.. Ridley's interviews are all over the place right now. I think the dude is on drugs for most of them.

The movie feels like they took Contact and spliced it with a bit of Alien and then told Michael Bay to fill in the rest because they were out of ideas.
 
I also heard that the movie, rather annoyingly, tries to interject a bit of high school (pedestrian) philosophy in it, as well? true? and if true, annoying or not annoying?
 
ya that's the dash of Contact I was talking about.



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Personally I felt that they simply did a bad job conveying the idea. You can't have an action/thriller movie with poorly developed characters and poor character interaction / dialogue and have deep philosophical moments. On top of that, it felt as if you were watching a book to movie adaptation where there's lots of stuff the audience is supposed to understand but the director has no idea how to convey through the medium.

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The part that left the worst taste in my mouth is..
Movie takes place in 2094, they do a carbon analysis of the Engineer skeleton and it dates to 2000 years prior - 94AD, aka, right after Christ. I think there's this idea that's being conveyed that this Engineer species created life on earth and their process of life creation results in a sentient species (in Earth's case, human beings). This is a totally fine idea and what I knew was the plot. But I think there's this "ah ha" idea Ridley Scott was trying to put in there that Christ was actually a test by these guys to see if Humans could redeem themselves or if they'd be forced to exterminate us and try over again. Maybe it's not even an "ah ha" - maybe that's just the straight up plot. I felt it was a little bit vague.. but yeah. I think that's what he was going for. And I find that idea sort of retarded.

But even if that were the idea and you wanted to base an entire movie off of that, I'd be ok with that. Just don't layer it in an action movie with stereotypical poor dialogue, cheeseball lines, and terrible characters. Do something deep with it and make a real Contact type movie. That I could buy into. This.. was just poorly executed.

 
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I wouldn't say 100% prequel. Looking back at the basic plot I can see why people are split on the issue. It's hard for me to discuss without revealing too much, but I suppose why I felt it wasn't completely a prequel was that I got caught up in the 'bigger themes' Ridley was trying to cover, which I agree were a bit silly, but is also one of the reasons I came out feeling I watched a different type of movie, with its whole 'space-opera-ancient-origins-of-life' speculations and, well... It seemed the movie was heading even more in that direction towards the end.

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and yeah, I know we had that 'proto-xenomorph' at the end. But I guess it's pretty safe to say if a sequel came along we'd probably be following Elizabeth Shaw's story rather than some stranded cone-headed Martian on a deserted planet.
 
The movie feels like they took Contact and spliced it with a bit of Alien and then told Michael Bay to fill in the rest because they were out of ideas.
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I felt more of a2001: A Space Odyssey vibe than I did a Contact vibe. Hell the opening shot IMO was a straight up homage to 2001. And remember that scene where the ship computer says "Good morning Dave" ? I actually thought for a second that the voice actor was the same guy!

Also, really? You're going to compare Ridley Scott to that fag Michael Bay? For shame ;)

I also heard that the movie, rather annoyingly, tries to interject a bit of high school (pedestrian) philosophy in it, as well? true? and if true, annoying or not annoying?
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I dunno it is kind of annoying in that it's been done before and yaddy yadda. But IMO this movie approached it a bit differently than other films have. I'll talk to you more about it when you have seen it. Don't want to give you any spoilers :)
 
For those who have seen it.

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Yes the whole Chariot of the Gods idea has been done a lot in film. Almost done to death IMO. However I think this film handled it differently.

In the movies Contact and 2001 I felt the creator "aliens" were for the most part benevolent. Their motives while mysterious, almost seemed good natured. Like they found us and were just curious to see how far we could go as a species, giving us a helpful nudge here and there to move us along the evolutionary process.

In Prometheus life on Earth itself is a product of the creator "aliens". In essence the engineers/space jockeys are Gods. The film begs the question, a question that I have asked myself more than once. Does a creator have the right to destroy what he creates? Especially if that creation is sentient? If you believe in God whether you be a Christian a Muslim whatever. Do you believe that that God has the right to destroy that which he claims to love as his creation?

Another question is raised with the Android character David. Peter Weyland in the film talks about how David the Android is the closest thing to a son he will ever have and yet in the same breath says that David will never have a soul. But if this is true do we have souls? We being just another creation of another race of humanity? Or have we become Gods ourselves by creating artificial life? Does the concept of a soul even matter with the discovery of the engineers?
 
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I didn't really read it as an alien creation myth. More of a possible transhuman, time travel story in terms of the titans. But really I didnt find that compelling. The journey and the look of the movie was really entertaining. I never really saw any sort of proto-man Christ reference either.
 
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I read somewhere that the time frame for the opening of the movie is actually before the Cambrian explosion.

I also didn't see the 2,000 year date as an indirect reference to Christ.

Also another thing about David the Android. Prometheus the myth gave man fire and he was punished severely. Were the bio weapons a way of punishing man for overreaching? By creating life (androids) and traveling the stars themselves, did humanity become more powerful than the Gods and therefore deserved to be punished? Just a thought.
 
Well regardless of people's takes on the plot, no doubt we can agree that...

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The movie felt shallow. From the opening scene "oh shit aliens made us - let's roll out" wtfs? If we were going for a 2001 space oddessy vibe, this is about the opposite of that.

On top of that the characters are so cliche - you've got the dying old guy and his militaryesque freak daughter. You've got the smoking/drinking random bad boy scientists.. wtf again..

Then to add insult to injury the things the characters DO make no sense. You fly 35 light years with NO contingency plans? You let 2 guys just leave the main group and do w/e they want and then never check back with them? You have them ON THE MONITOR FFS. The entire scene where the captain is nonchalant about leaving 2 guys in an obviously fucking weird ass place with dead alien bodies and life forms popping up on the radar seems pretty retarded too. Then, conveniently, he leaves to have sex with whats her name and doesn't leave anybody to monitor his two dudes and apparently their vitals and feeds aren't being logged? Derp. Derp a fucking lot.

My suspension of disbelief meter took a huge shitola on this movie and I just checked out 100%.
 
Meh I thought it was a superb film. Of course it is not anywhere near as "deep" as 2001, but very few films can match that masterpiece. I thought it managed the vibe well without being too subtle while also not giving a way too much and lessening the mystery.

But for an action/horror movie it is way above the norm IMO. And as for a sci fi flick? It far surpasses what has come out this or last year. It definitely blows any Michael Bay movie out of the water.

As for your complaints about the plot...

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Then to add insult to injury the things the characters DO make no sense. You fly 35 light years with NO contingency plans? You let 2 guys just leave the main group and do w/e they want and then never check back with them? You have them ON THE MONITOR FFS. The entire scene where the captain is nonchalant about leaving 2 guys in an obviously fucking weird ass place with dead alien bodies and life forms popping up on the radar seems pretty retarded too. Then, conveniently, he leaves to have sex with whats her name and doesn't leave anybody to monitor his two dudes and apparently their vitals and feeds aren't being logged? Derp. Derp a fucking lot.
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I agree with some of what you're saying.

But I dunno this movie takes place in a time where space flight has kind of become the norm. It isn't that unbelievable to think that people who are accustomed to traveling to distant planets, will expect nothing out of the ordinary. To the captain this was just another routine scientific expedition. Plus as far as they knew at that point in the movie, the engineers were all dead and the planet just as dead. Why would they suspect anything hostile?
 
The film is brilliant and haunting. It did remind me of 2001, and it was just brilliant. I will admit that after thinking about the movie a bit, there is some things that are kinda unbelievable, but this is a movie. Go see it and get lost in pure escapism with a great director. Anyone putting this movie down is either a pseudo intellectual or comparing it to Alien. Get a grip people! It's great!
 
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Plus as far as they knew at that point in the movie, the engineers were all dead and the planet just as dead. Why would they suspect anything hostile?
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No way.. they'd never encountered aliens of any kind before by their reactions and then they saw the hologram of the aliens running and the one getting killed.. there was every reason to be deeply concerned. That's why the geologist 'freaked out'. The nonchalantness throughout the film, lack of planning or coordination.. just completely unbelievable given the setting.


And yeah.. it wasn't anywhere close to as 'brilliant' as 2001. That's like saying Avatar was like 2001. Visuals don't make a movie.
 
This isn't my complaint but I saw this with my Uncle, he's actually half Spanish, from Spain. He said "why all the English actors". I quickly explained that Ridley is british, but then he launched an attack on how half of the American movies now are mostly with British in the leads, he said The Batman movies were all british too. Do you think th ey are taking our nice Hollywood jobs as leading men and women, or that there is plenty of ppl who are getting jobs and its based off acting not nationality? Sorry If this is off topic.
 
I think they were Scottish actually. In the future, Scotland has taken over the world.
 
^ LOL

just got back from the theater where I saw it in Imax. I recommend seeing it in 3D, it was breathtaking...

and wow... just wow. that was some intense, hard-core, hard-lined science fiction! I honestly believe that Prometheus is a sci-fi masterpiece... with just the right amount of horror and religious existentialism involved

amazing movie, amazing cast. Michael Fassbender was a perfect duplicitous android. I've been a fan of Idris Elba since the Wire, and I thought he was good. Charlize Theron pulls off the cold-hearted bitch role a bit too well. Naomi whatever wasn't quite an Ellen Ripley (but hey - who can be?) but she did a fine job portraying a tough and gritty female lead, that we've all come to expect to be great in a R. Scott film

honestly I think the most memorable horror moment was that little creature that interrupted the geologist and his smoking weed... I still can't the sound of bone breaking out of my head... not tons of horror in this movie, but once again, we were told not to be thinking about Alien ;)

I thought that Fife's "pups" were very kewl. once again, this is some hard sci-fi, and I was very happy to see this movie represent our technology in a fantastic way, but still in a way that makes sense in a gradual progression. sort of like how JJ Abrams did the futuristic tech in the new Star Trek movie

again, what an amazing movie. I can see how some might not like it, but for my fellow sci-fi fans that have been waiting for our generation's red-letter sci-fi movie - this is it

I hope they do a sequel. they most certainly set us up for one! my mind is still blown. you need to see this movie with at least one other person, and then talk about it afterwards for ten minutes! but hey, quick question about the Fife-"monster":

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wow! nice to see a space zombie of sorts! but what was up with that Fife-monster? this is the only part that was confusing to me, I feel like they didn't really explain this. did ya'll catch something that I didn't? or any theories? thanks!
 
^Somehow I figured we would be on the same page on this Axl :)

About the Fife-"monster"

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As I understand it, Fife when he cut the tentacle thing got his helmet splashed with acid. It melted and he fell face first into the black ooze which means the ooze must have entered his suit thus mutating him into that alien zombie thing.
 
^ werd, that was actually what I had going for it in my head, when my girlfriend (she loves sci-fi!!) were putting the pieces of this amazing puzzle together on our way to work this morning

honestly, Prometheus had some plot holes and it had some moments where my suspended disbelief was demolished... but I think it's fair for a movie that tries to answer so many questions, by biting off such a large piece of the metaphysical/fantastical pie, that I can safely give this movie some lee-way
 
^More on the black ooze.

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It is interesting to note that the black ooze reacts differently to different people. I mean it could be a dose thing. But Fife got exposed to it and ended up turning into that mutated alien zombie or whatever.

Shaw's BF got poisoned by David and ended up getting really sick and impregnating Shaw with a giant proto-facehugger. Do you think it was a matter of dosage? Or maybe it reacts to peoples DNA. Fife was overly aggressive even before they went into the engineer base. So maybe the ooze reacted to that aspect of him.
 
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