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Harm Reduction Progress Mega Thread

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^Hey thanks, Hood. I am still debating what to do. I am thinking long and hard, as well as talking to some knowledgeable people to get their opinions. I definitely am planning on getting off of 'done with the help of subs, just working out the exact plan. I'll definitely hit you up once I come to a conclusion and see what you think.
 
Been on Subutex for 6 months now and im on as low as 1 mg, and it did really save my life after years of H. Unlike the "done", i don't have to go to any clinics and got my own remedy and im really free. Good luck but from what iv heard from lots of people here who tried both, Bupes are for sure the way to go, especially that one day when you would like to quit, I'm sure you heard "the heaven and hell" difference between both. Good luck man
 
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^^ Bupe may have worked well for me at first but eventually it became counter productive and lead to "controlled heroin use" rather than none. I didn't user any heroin for almost the first year that i was on bupe, then i was like well if im still dependent anyway than fuck it and i started using heroin again a few times a week, using suboxone as a bridge to avoid withdrawal.


Either way it still turned out better than if i hadn't gone on suboxone, and now it's all done with and im clean so whatever - im just bitter about sub now because of my withdrawal situation i guess.


Anyway, it's been like 7 or 8 weeks since i've taken any suboxone and the crawling tingling hot warmth feeling STILL isn't gone from my arms. It's fucking killing me with how annoying it is. I have no more clonidine, so I've been resorting to smoking a lot of pot for sleep and it works great but it's annoying because i have to smoke more than id like to for it to make me pass out, and then i have to rip a couple more tubes at 3-4am to fall back asleep after i wake up on schedule with my arms bothering me. And oh yeah, it makes my job a pain in the ass because my hands are always ever so slightly sticky since my arms are always hot so it's a pain to put on disposable food handling gloves, which i have to do hundreds of times a day at work...fuck my life.

seriously...
Fuck..



Like for real.... This long after? Still?
 
Case - this may seem counter intuitive and possibly dangerous, but what if you tried a short-acting full-agonist just once to kind of give your receptors a "reset" from being on the bupe for so long. I feel like it could work.

As for me, fuck I was down to .25 every other day and then I got 50 dilaudids. That kinda threw everything off, and I had been keeping my shit together for like 6 years before that, going to work, school, being productive, having my parents not know, apparently in the middle of my dilaudid binge they got super worried about me and looked through my room, found the bottle of dilaudid that was 5 days old (scripted 50) and there were only 3 left.
So I got a talkin to. It's way more embarrassing when you're an adult, too, Like I didn't give a fuck when I was 14, but now.... i don't know.

Of course, like a fucker I found the 3 dilaudids hidden in my mom's purse and did them all at once, you know, one more hit and all that shit.

Anyways, back to being on .25 sub a day - it set me back a tad bit, but the worst part is that I was almost over and done with dope and that's when they find out... fuck.

And then I'm withdrawing terribly (D withdrawas are short but hellish) and I scheduled a dinner with my fiance's parents like 3 weeks ago which happened to fall on the night after I ran out but before I could take a sub. That was hell. Having to drink wine and eat and talk and shit at a nice restaurant.
Fuck... just one more hit...
 
^^ I actually already thought of that and want to do it, but no way am i going to go buy anything myself, I'd have to have someone i trust get it for me. The last thing i need is a connect, which would defeat the purpose of moving.



Plus I'd rather not do it with heroin, i don't really have the desire to ever do heroin again. And I'm not about to go looking for someone who can get oxy either so this whole idea kinda sucks since i don't know anyone here lol I would pretty much have to seek it out myself which i refuse to trust myself to do.



I was considering ordering some kratom again but i don't think that would help much in the long run, isn't it a partial agonist?
 
I don't know about Kratom.

I think you need a good "reset"

A good mushroom trip always worked wonders in that regard for me.

I totally understand not wanting connects, I moved like 8 months ago and I am constantly pissed/ grateful that I don't have any anymore, except for like the random dude at the bar once a month you run into or whatever.
 
i have also moved to a place where i have no connects which is part of the reason i stayed clean.. i only moved an hour away so it wouldn't take that long in the car to cop anything but i just stayed clean on my bupe and was perfectly content and get EXTREMELY lucky CTing them i was in w/d for a week meanwhile caseface is on week 7 and still getting some w/d effects.. i really honestly have no advice for him :\ .
 
I've taken mushrooms and acid 2-3 times each since i stopped taking bupe, didn't help much.


Is there something legit as to why mushrooms would help like effecting opiate receptors? Or did you mean mainly for psychological help?
 
I have no scientific basis for this, but it's helped me in the past. I don't think it affects your receptors or anything. But I don't know Ibogaine is used and I don't think it affects opiate receptors.
I don't know. It is highly Plasma-Bound so maybe you should give blood so your body generates some new blood.
I'm seriously out of ideas for you at this point.
 
Case.. did the clonidine help when you had it?
If it did than it might not have been *just* helping w/d's.. it could have been helping your blood pressure, have you had it checked lately? and coming of an alpha blocker like clonidine (which i am on also@ .4mg/day) can cause rebound hypertension even if you have no history of blood pressure issues.. i would try to get more clonidine to take for another month.. if you have any questions feel free to PM me %)

i also just read this and wanted to respond:

I was considering ordering some kratom again but i don't think that would help much in the long run, isn't it a partial agonist?

kratom is a full agonist. and it works on multiple other receptors also. its like a natural tramadol. It could help
 
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I would say psychological ones as it always happened with me. Told u about this 3 drops trip 2 weeks ago with gf, still have more for another one, saving it for a trip to the wilderness when it's not too frozen in the next month i hope (or maybe we just do it next weekend, haaa)
So, in the last 6 months of quitting 10 years of Dope and relocating, i am currently on 1 mg Subutex and have done H 4 times (only once that it was decent, and didn't feel good about it the next day, each time) Acid once, 400 mg morphine pills on 2 separate nights like an idiot because apparently after 10 years of snorting heroin 200 mg of Morphine wont make me nod at all, even after 2 or 3 months of being clean on Subs, anyways, oxy's did it twice and miscalculated my dose and never got that buzz i was looking for, since i never dealt with Oxy's before, i remember that 1st time after checking all conversion charts and taking 160 mg plus 4 Oxycocet those 5/325 i guess that's all i got after being mugged 3 times and i was just normal, no nodding, no real opiate buzz i was looking for, but i'm sure if someday ill get the chance to try them on my very occasional mental vacation day, ill make sure to respect my mind and feed my head good. On the other hand, i had some xanax that never lasts long, and for the 1st time ever, i'm using clonazepam with Subs and with low doses...my only use of them back in the days was either with H, or with booze and get trashed and i would do 2.5 to 4 mg, depending on the years, but man... First time i was 19 and our DOC was Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) with a few beers and you're a king listening to Break on Through, and great in sex and do kinky stuff, anyways, my then dealer said no roofies then try Rivotril, the Roche ones, and he instructed instead of taking 1 roofy you take 2 clonazepam as that's how i quantify it since this was my 1st time dealing with them at all and i'm quoting the dealer who was a junky: "i dont take them myself because they get me violent and stay with me till the next day"
Of course my friend and i spent 4 days in a haze, drinking tequila and beers and joints and inviting people over from morning to night and forgetting to go to college, one day i finally got up and drove to there, i find it a Saturday and it was closed....No really really out of it, reckless youth :) To end this 4 day binge with took 5 pills of an anti parkinsonian called Pakinol, so it summed up to be a week out of reality, i think i met a girl and we had sex and the next day she passed by to wake me and i had no clue who she was and only did when my buddy helped me put back some lost mind puzzles together. My poor younger sister was calling her friend saying she's afraid from me caus im doing weird things at home and parents were away and it was my last year before leaving that house. Pharma's are crazy man, as im writing im being hit on the face with memories from left and right about those days. After school, i told my best friend, that same one, we have to try all drugs and all possible combinations of drugs because we only live once and one day we'll be grown ups and have serious, boring lives and him loving me, agreed religiously...and then the journey began and it was great for 7 long fun years till we met Mother Superior, and our lives changed forever.
Good night for now, hope all is "progressing" well and in peace
 
Tsunami was severely un eventful at San Francisco's ocean beach today. I live 2 blocks from the beach so i guess that's a good thing but i was hoping for at least a small one, no way a small one would make it over the sand dunes.


And I am not sleeping for shit. Sucks. >.<

Hash tonight though so im about to pass out, though i still feel shitty..
 
Congratulations on your sobriety man!! I'm going to merge this into our 'progress mega thread.'

Thanks for sharing :)
 
Today is the beginning of my quest to get of of methadone. No more methadone after today. I am determined to do it, and am glad I have scripts for klonopin, soma, neurontin, and seroquel. I also have about 10 suboxone, and can get more. I plan on substituting a short acting opiate for 5-7 days then do a quick sub taper then jump off. We'll see how it goes.

Wish me luck.
 
Brokedown, good luck man.

(I don't know if you've taken it or not) but be careful with the seroquel, its a weird drug, although I have used it to basically sleep through withdrawals before. Some people are really sensitive to it being that it's an atypical antipsychotic.

All-in-all your plan sounds solid and you seem to be determined which is all you need.

Cycling season is starting so I'm back to punishing my body with 60+mile rides, so I got back on the PM regime, I'm going to try REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to take my opiates as prescribed from now on.
Said that a million times, but I mean it now.
 
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^I went to quote your post but accidentally clicked edit and added my response to your post. lol. fixed now though, sry.

Yeah man, I used to be prescribed seroquel for sleep so I am accustomed to the effects. I took 50mg last night to sleep and passed out for 13 hours. Unheard of for me. But good for withdrawals.

Thanks y'all.
 
Seroquel is good for withdrawals, great if you want to sleep for 12-16 hours (I once slept nearly 20 hours after taking 100mg...) but not that great for many other things.

Well, forcing yourself to sleep after eating lots and lots of amphetamines.

As far as progress goes, I'm still on Suboxone and lorazepam, but I'm down to between 200-300mcg of it per day, taking lorazepam as needed. Buprenorphine is truly an amazing drug, there is no way I could be so controlling of my taper/maint. plan with any other opiate/opioid.

Glad to hear everybody else is doing well too! :)
 
So my previous posts aside, i ended up trying tar a couple days ago. Now i truly know how spoiled i am being from north jersey, I'll be surprised if i ever bother with tar again. It's nasty looking for one thing, i can't imagine shooting it. I tried smoking it and it smelled and tasted horrible and the smoke felt like plastic. So i water lined it and it was definitely heroin but man.. Waste of money for sure. Same amount of money woulda lasted me 3-4 days with no tolerance copping in north jersey. It was hardly enough to get both me and my girlfriend slightly high once.

Tar rant aside, the point is that it made no difference in my current situation. I felt better the day of obviously, but it's been a few days now and i feel no better or worse than before i tried it. I barely felt it so maybe it wasn't enough to have an effect on my receptors? Im thinking of trying the more reliable PK route in a couple weeks if i still don't feel to great, so we'll see what happens.
 
Same amount of money woulda lasted me 3-4 days with no tolerance copping in north jersey. It was hardly enough to get both me and my girlfriend slightly high once.

Sorry to hear about that man, I would think that being in San Fran would mean you have access to much better cannabis/psychedelics/RCs and probably even methadone/subs, though.

Tar rant aside, the point is that it made no difference in my current situation. I felt better the day of obviously, but it's been a few days now and i feel no better or worse than before i tried it. I barely felt it so maybe it wasn't enough to have an effect on my receptors? Im thinking of trying the more reliable PK route in a couple weeks if i still don't feel to great, so we'll see what happens.

Best of luck man, keep us posted!
 
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