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losthippy

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The way I see it, if you must work for a living there is a good chance you'll be subject to random drug-testing either already or somewhere down the line. The Government/Public Service sector, mining and industry, transport, education, food production, banking and finance - in fact any position of responsibility or influence you can think of demands sobriety of employees for all the right reasons. It's not difficult to think of worst-case scenarios where injury/death, damage to or loss of property or opportunity etc. have, as a result of the investigative mechanism, found drugs or alcohol to be mitigating or contributory factors.

It makes sense for employers to go all-out to protect their interests, and randomly testing workers is one way they do it. Sad but true. Recreational and dependant drug users have consequently had to modify their consumtion to account for this, in the same way most of us have had to when we get behind the wheel of a car. Chances are we'll be stopped for a random breath or drug test and there's no getting away from it. This then arrows out to insurance. If you test positive at work or after a traffic accident the pertinent insurance policy(s) are likely rendered void. No payout, because clauses will have stipulations about what is permissible and what is not.

It would seem then that the anti-legalisation mob will ultimately have the last laugh unless pro-choicers go on the dole and walk everywhere. Sound good? We might even be doomed here as well. I read a Letter to the Editor from a truckie working for a mining company in Kalgoorlie complaining how he worked long and hard for his big bucks, resenting how much tax he had to pay and how careful he had to be with his alcohol consumption. He was royally pissed-off about 'dole-bludgers' who rocked-up on payday and walked off with $ to piss up against the wall and buy drugs with. His solution was to drug-test them and if they weren't clean - no $. Hmmm.

So, sorry to be long-winded but I'm curious to hear what others have to say on how drug-testing at work and insurance issues affect their intake of whatever substance(s) they might use. It's certainly changed the way I go about things.
 
I read a Letter to the Editor from a truckie working for a mining company in Kalgoorlie complaining how he worked long and hard for his big bucks, resenting how much tax he had to pay and how careful he had to be with his alcohol consumption. He was royally pissed-off about 'dole-bludgers' who rocked-up on payday and walked off with $ to piss up against the wall and buy drugs with. His solution was to drug-test them and if they weren't clean - no $. Hmmm.

Haha, that's brilliant, I'm all in favour of it... this makes me think of my ex, which in turn makes my blood boil, knowing how much of my personal + taxpayer $$ went towards his fucking drug pig intake :X :X :X
 
What worries me is if you've smoked weed a few days or a week prior to your drug test, it'll show up wont it? The last thing I need is to be busted for drug use that happened a week ago.

I do agree with drug testing if there was reports of drug use while at work and/or productivty in the workplace is declining due to said use. Then I would agree with drug testing the workplace. That makes sense because theres a problem that's potentially affecting your business.

However, I do not agree with random drug testing because "they feel like it". I think that's a step too far to be honest. Imagine going in for an interview, you happen to like smoking a joint on the weekends to relax, they drug test you and refuse your application because they can see you've used an illicit substance.

I don't think your personal activities outside of work should have any weight over your ability to work somewhere.
 
^Too right Lachlan! There are numerous reports out there about random drug testing in schools and workplaces, and they pretty much all say it's a shit idea that fucks people over and doesn't even work to boot.

And yes - what you get up to in your own time is your own business :!
 
Drug testing in Australian schools: Policy implications and considerations of punitive, deterrence and/or prevention measures
International Journal of Drug Policy, Volume 20, Issue 6, Pages 521-528
A. Roche, P. Bywood, K. Pidd, T. Freeman, T. Steenson

Abstract
Background There have been increasing national and international calls for the introduction of drug testing as a policy measure to address harmful drug use. Such strategies have been applied in workplaces, sporting arenas, prisons and more latterly school settings. They are predicated on a belief in their efficacy in reducing drug-related harm, a need to ‘send the right’ message to potential users and to reassure the community at large that ‘something is being done.’ Rigorous examination is required of purported benefits of drug testing in schools.

Methods A comprehensive examination was made of testing efficacy and accuracy. Australian legal and ethical issues, encompassing duty of care, rights of the child and privacy determinations, were juxtaposed with that of the United States of America.

Results
Evidence examined indicates no compelling case for the application of drug testing and that caution should be applied when considering drug testing as a drug detection and prevention strategy in the school setting.
Conclusion While this review did not support school drug testing, there are alternative evidence-based strategies that schools can implement to prevent drug-related problems among student populations.
 
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I think that work places should just do the saliva test. Basically it will just show a positive result if you have taken drugs within the last eight hours ( well for pot, I'm not sure about other drugs). I got tested at work a few months back. The night before I was up to about 11pm smoking hydros, I took the saliva test at about 11.30 am the following morning and passed with flying colours. Had I done a piss test I would have been fucked.
 
I work in the resources industry. Even though I work in an office in the city, the one rule for all applies so we are subjected to random urine and breath tests the same as those who work on site.

The only modifying of drug use my self and all the others I know have done is to stop smoking pot completely.

From what I have read it is a little risky if you take amphetamines on a saturday night and front up for work on monday. So I tend to aim for big nights to occur on fridays.
 
Quite simply, I find it unacceptable to have people affected by drugs in the workplace. And, if it is unregulated, we all know that it is going to occur... Those people who know regular amphetamine users know that its not uncommon to stay up all night and then waltz off to work the next day.

Or have cones and coffee for breakfast. And more cones at smoko.

I heartily agree that what we do in our weekends is our own choice, however, in reality it rarely stops there, unless some checks and balances are involved, as drug users are notoriously bad at self control :P

Having had lost mates in work-related accidents, I know that it is one of the most tragic things that can occur in a workplace or to the deceased's family.

And really, because the bloke on meth thinks that he may be able to operate machinery better when he is flying, well its just not true all the time.

So if it takes random saliva tests to prevent drugs in the workplace, then thats fine by me.
 
There's a difference between having policy and procedure in place to support a productive and safe workplace, and drug testing. I'm in favour of the former - the latter has been proven time and time again to be a shit way to achieve this.

"Drug users are notoriously bad at self control" Pfff - I'm offended :)
 
Most of friends who work in the mining industry just dont smoke pot and dont take other drugs for a few days before going back to work. Also know they drink plenty of water to help flush thier urine system.

From my experience in the mining industry and being subjected to random drug tests they are always urine tests not saliva tests.

Spoke to a big boss from a well known company who does mining work and there is an unofficial black book to! But its a small industry anyway so if you do test positive then it can be hard to find work elsewhere.

Having said that the two mines I have been at have allowed one positive test as long as you agree to get help provided by the companies and be subjected to regular drug tests!
 
The mines i've been to, there's a roster for a group of guys who fill up your cups in the bathroom.
I'm reluctant to take the affirmative stance to the OP's opinions. sure, there's a problem, but i hardly see why legalisation means that people are suddenly going to become less responsible, when the 'responsible' ones are the people that don't touch it atm, and the 'irresponsible ones' are a percentage of those that do already use drugs.
Not every drug user is an abuser. Criminalization does not take this into consideration, and effectively ignores the abuser, and instead treats the otherwise unstoppable symptoms created by such negligent behavior.
 
If some of the illicit drugs were legalised they would be taxed, those taxes would then be used to educate users of the drug in much the same way as alcohol and tobacco. Those legalised drugs would be the substance we sought, ie if you buy a pill thinking you're getting MDMA there is no guarantee that it is MDMA so who knows what it is or how long it remains in your system.

With legalised and controlled drugs an educated drug user would then be able to allow sufficient time as per the 'drug guidelines' to flush it from their system before heading to work on Monday - easy!

As for the legalisation of drugs causing an increase in drug abuse that is anecdotal spin created by wowsers and the like. Tobacco is legal in this country but it's use is declining, simply because of the education of the population as to it's health risks. I'm sure that over 95% of the alcohol drinking population use the drug in moderation, once again due to the awareness campaigns run by governments.
 
I'm more than happy to have people tested and be tested at work for acute intoxication (i.e. if you're high or drunk at the time) of any substance. But I couldn't give a shit if you smoked weed a week or a month ago. A lot of unions are attacking drug testing policies at work for this exact reason.
 
I was consulted some years ago by a workplace safety manager from a major industry asking my thoughts on a then to be introduced policy on workplace testing. Instead of random urine testing, they were going for saliva testing. I don't know whether the program was introduced based on the draft I was given, but if so, IMO it was a far more balanced approach to the problem than urine tesing. It was refreshing to see that while the rep was against drug use per se, he had strong ethical concerns regarding personal privacy outside of work hours.

That was some 4 years ago. I'd hoped to see wider employment of this model, perhaps it's now starting to happen.
 
I can see saliva testing becoming more popular because it is cheaper than testing urine. Quick, reliable kits that can be stored at the office worksite that gives a result in less than 5 minutes compared to a urine sample that is sent away to a lab. Positive tests can always be varified in a lab afterwards.

Either option is better than the computer monitor fatique test that some mines employ at the start of the shift. It involves a worker having to track a moving shape across a monitor with the theory that impared workers will struggle. Unfortunately I know several people who are not morning people and fail it everyday they start simple due to it being stupid.

The current analysis labs are run close to capacity so imagine the costs if every Australian worker had to submit a test.
 
I know a guy that got sacked for working under the influence of meth (numerous times).

Mind you he had to operate forklifts, so it wasn't exactly a safe workplace practice.

They didn't really do it to all their staff though, just him 'cause they knew what was going on.
 
Mind you he had to operate forklifts, so it wasn't exactly a safe workplace practice.

Interesting. One of the accidents the guy I dealt with mentioned where the operator was later found to be intoxicated involved a forklift, where a high pressure Hydrogen line was broken.
 
That's when you say, "ohhhhh shiiiiiit" 8o

I know this guy was getting fairly off his face on a regular basis, just not sleeping for days & being generally irresponsible. Didn't hear of an actual incident, just multiple near-misses...

And - skatkid - depends on the line of work
 
All the forkies at my old work place were full time tweakers

Good workers but I stayed well away from them

I knew a man who drove a fork
He drove it mighty quick
A trip or two to the blue room
Would help him do the trick
His foreman would pat him on the back
Whenever he would come around
'Cause these dammed blue-collar tweekers
Are beloved in this town

:)
 
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