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Preventing/Reducing Amphetamine Neurotoxicity

DOB said:
I didnt typed any drug,I typed any amphetamine/psychedelic if there is miracle cure go for it,but dont lie to yourself,meth packaged as med isnt it
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I don't see stimulants in general as being a "miracle cure", no more than reading glasses for vision impairment or aspirin for a headache to be a "miracle cure", irrespective of the fact that in addition to the enhanced focus, stimulation and driven motivation there's a definite euphoric sensation :). I also think you're making a strawman's fallacy argument by comparing prescribed dosages of amphetamine to heavy use of meth. Here's your line of reasoning as I perceive:

Premise One: small doses of amphetamine are used to treat ADHD.
Premise Two: small doses of amphetamine and methamphetamine are stimulants (despite of a different caliber).
Premise Three: heavy recreational use of meth is bad as a stimulant, in addition, therefore, heavy recreational amphetamine use is bad.
Conclusion: Ergo, small-to-moderate doses of prescribed amphetamines are bad.
 
PsychonautRyan said:
I don't see stimulants in general as being a "miracle cure", no more than reading glasses for vision impairment or aspirin for a headache to be a "miracle cure", irrespective of the fact that in addition to the enhanced focus, stimulation and driven motivation there's a definite euphoric sensation :). I also think you're making a strawman's fallacy argument by comparing prescribed dosages of amphetamine to heavy use of meth. Here's your line of reasoning as I perceive:

Premise One: small doses of amphetamine are used to treat ADHD.
Premise Two: small doses of amphetamine and methamphetamine are stimulants (despite of a different caliber).
Premise Three: heavy recreational use of meth is bad as a stimulant, in addition, therefore, heavy recreational amphetamine use is bad.
Conclusion: Ergo, small-to-moderate doses of prescribed amphetamines are bad.
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look man,I dont care what you take... if it makes you feel better,take that amp
 
What about micro dosing phenethylamine psychedelics? I'm hypothesizing that because amphetamines have the phenethylamine structure that such psychedelics would provide the same benefit without the harsh mechanism of amphetamines. People do say that phen psychs provide a feeling of mental stability and stimulatory feeling.
 
red22 said:
What about micro dosing phenethylamine psychedelics? I'm hypothesizing that because amphetamines have the phenethylamine structure that such psychedelics would provide the same benefit without the harsh mechanism of amphetamines. People do say that phen psychs provide a feeling of mental stability and stimulatory feeling.
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That's possible, when I've taken no more than 50 - 75 mikes of acid, I feel focused, lucid and introspective, with only mild, but still colorful visuals. I think if I took a threshold-to-light dose (and I mean very light, probably 25 to 40 micrograms) I would have similar effects and the sensory distortions (if there were any), wouldn't interfere with day-to-day activities, as opposed to trying to work on Trigonometry on mystical doses (150 to 200 micrograms).
 
beagleboy said:
Also, if you can afford it, buy some Delsym for the active ingredient DXM. It prevents building up a tolerance for speed aka Adderall. i use to take 15-30mg DXM before I take adderall and then after Im done using i take another 10-30mg of DXM. It is a NMDA antagonist. In layman terms it allows you to reach that same euphoria EVERY time you take the same dose of Adderall, instead of using more and more because you've gotten a high tolerance to the Adderall through binging or even just taking it everyday. Dr Bob supports patients taking DXM.

heres a link to Dr Bobs site.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030923/msgs/263518.html

The combo that i use to Reduce Harm and thats what this site was founded upon goes as follows:
-Chelated Magnesium ( dont get the one w/ Oxide as main ingrediant. It has low bioavailability. Get chelated glycinate or gluconate, about 300mg a day.
-Delsym. Costs $17 a bottle. I take 15-60mg a day to prevent tolerance to Adderall, which is key. Dont skimp and get any other brand with a bunch of other active ingrediants. You want ONLY DXM, which is what is in Delsym brand. Get the Orange package.
-Have your Psychiatrist prescribe you Clonodine to kill the physiological effects for when you have to crash. Its better to save the Adderall, get some much needed sleep than spend another 8 hours awake from chasing a high. Tell your Dr that your schedule is erratict and you takle the Adderall not always in the morning. He'll understand.
-Xanax. I take it just to chill out a little when I am tweaking. Like .5mg is a good dose.
-Seroquel, Risperdoll, Trazadone are all life savers for when you need to knock yourself out cold to prevent things from turning out badly.
-**If you cant get the scripts for the xanax, clonodine or above listed psychotropics, take 100mg benedryl/antihistamine for when you need to fall asleep.

Drink at least a half gallon of water a day, make sure to eat at least 1200 calories, hopefully not junkfood ( you might as well learn up opn proper nutrition while you're using Adderall ) And you should be aware of higher resting heart rate from using amphetamines. 225 minus your age is your Max heart rate. To get your hearts beat per minute hold your pointer and middle fingers against the side of your neck with your right hand while looking at a clock. Count the bumps coming through your neck for 15 seconds. Take that number and multiply it time 4. Thats your bpm.

And speed will have you doing small motor "rewarding" type tasks. Its common for tweakers to spend days upon days jerking off or having sex w/ random strangers in bathhouses. Just dont get psychologically addicted to all the good porn the internet offers and dont be ashamed/feel guilty about how good 3 hour masterbation session feels on adderall.
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This is excellent advice.

I've read all these stratagies mentioned, here and there for the last 2 years that I've been taking adderall IR.

It's nice to see all of it in a nutshell.

Also, i found taking any z-drug ( eszopiclone being the most effective ) as a substitute for xanax or another benzo does an efficient job of chilling me out if I'm over stimulated
 
Pharmacists need jobs too, DOB.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. I just wanted to add that there are jobs in the drug industry and those jobs pay for mortgages, cars, groceries, utilities, etc. People in the U.S. need jobs.

Psych~Ryan, BL is populated by posters who use substances. Legal or illegal, we are users, although I can't speak for everyone here.

So keep posting and keep reading. You have a lot to offer.
 
Update: So I took 250 milligrams of NatureMade magnesium last night, and 60 milligrams of DXM before I went to bed. I took 10 milligrams of Adderall around 8:15 am, and then another 10 milligrams about two hours later. I definitely noticed that the euphoric stimulation was more pronounced when I had developed a tolerance in the last few days, and the jaw tension was greatly reduced. My only problem was that I figured that since it dramatically boosts confidence, I would take it before my 11 am Western Civ II class, where we had a discussion on Kafka's The Metamorphosis, generally, I'm fairly shy and withdrawn during class discussions, and even though everybody else acknowledges that I make constructive, intelligent comments to contribute to the discussion, I have to force myself to speak up. Instead of boosting confidence, it exacerbated the anxiety that I already had, so I was tense sitting in the corner of the room, but I still managed to make the analytical comments to fulfill the discussion requirement. In addition, I have very mild, subtle Asperger's syndrome, diagnosed at 7 or 8, so I was paranoid about whether or not my speech inflection and facial expressions in-class would come off as being weird when otherwise I would be somewhat-relaxed.
 
PsychonautRyan said:
Update: So I took 250 milligrams of NatureMade magnesium last night, and 60 milligrams of DXM before I went to bed. I took 10 milligrams of Adderall around 8:15 am, and then another 10 milligrams about two hours later. I definitely noticed that the euphoric stimulation was more pronounced when I had developed a tolerance in the last few days, and the jaw tension was greatly reduced. My only problem was that I figured that since it dramatically boosts confidence, I would take it before my 11 am Western Civ II class, where we had a discussion on Kafka's The Metamorphosis, generally, I'm fairly shy and withdrawn during class discussions, and even though everybody else acknowledges that I make constructive, intelligent comments to contribute to the discussion, I have to force myself to speak up. Instead of boosting confidence, it exacerbated the anxiety that I already had, so I was tense sitting in the corner of the room, but I still managed to make the analytical comments to fulfill the discussion requirement. In addition, I have very mild, subtle Asperger's syndrome, diagnosed at 7 or 8, so I was paranoid about whether or not my speech inflection and facial expressions in-class would come off as being weird when otherwise I would be somewhat-relaxed.
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I'm pretty sure you don't have Asperger's, if it's any consolation. Asperger's is the new ADHD, every kid who is a little weird is diagnosed with it. Throw the prevalence of parents not monitoring the amount of time kids spend on video games into the mix (excessive video game playing and the lifestyle habits associated mimics many symptoms of Autism-Spectrum Disorders), and you have cause for rampant misdiagnosis of the next big trend in psychiatry. The purpose of my post is, don't let it limit you, don't use it as an excuse, and to borrow from Thomas Szasz (who comes off as mostly ignorant about psychological/psychiatric illness, IMO, but has his moments), don't play the sick role.

Also, amphetamines for me seem to work better socially if I have built up tolerance and keep the dosage at a medical level. Too high a dosage causes geekiness, which is well suited to pulling an all nighter reading or studying, but piss poor for being out in public. Not to mention the body odor. If you want the greatest balance between higher social functioning and effectiveness at academic or work related tasks, stick to the medically prescribed dosages.
 
I'm pretty sure you don't have Asperger's, if it's any consolation. Asperger's is the new ADHD, every kid who is a little weird is diagnosed with it. Throw the prevalence of parents not monitoring the amount of time kids spend on video games into the mix (excessive video game playing and the lifestyle habits associated mimics many symptoms of Autism-Spectrum Disorders), and you have cause for rampant misdiagnosis of the next big trend in psychiatry. The purpose of my post is, don't let it limit you, don't use it as an excuse, and to borrow from Thomas Szasz (who comes off as mostly ignorant about psychological/psychiatric illness, IMO, but has his moments), don't play the sick role.
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When I was in elementary school, I was obviously Asperger's, my school counselor thought it was just ADHD and shyness, but I had rote memorization of all the U.S. Presidents on a table placemat (birthdates, death dates, terms of office, etc.) and I loved ancient history, and I remember being an outcast throughout my childhood, I doubt that I was just "a little weird" at the time. Anyway, I don't see my Asperger's, to whatever extent, as being a disability, more than just a different form of brain wiring.
 
Anyway, I'm just wondering for my final question: if I'm taking DXM and magnesium to stop or reverse the neurochemistry of amphetamine tolerance, does that impede the potential for dependence/addiction as well?
 
Maybe. I was thinking a simular scenario today involving some very bad health problems after abusing Dexadrine for a few years.
My thoughts were on when, in the future, ( years, six months...idk ) and wether or not after I stop using the adderall ( supplemented by mag/dxm/nutrition/sleep/psychotropics/exercise ) will I feel the same ill effects I suffered from previously after abusing Dexadrine for years and then my script was no longer available?

Theres some vocabulary and brain chemistry shit I have no clue about ie. dopamine/seratonin/reuptake inhibitors??? Physiological effects of different drugs
 
I got some today. 500mg capsules containing 100mg Mg pure element. Took one an hour ago, took two a few minutes ago.

Yeah, I feel drowsy. That's cool.

I've been heavily addicted to IV meth/ice whatever for several weeks, doctor prescribed dex-amphetamine sulphate so I could delay withdrawal and stop buying expensive street-quality "meth" until I see a specialist (tomorrow).

Look I've basically been high - have not come down - for many weeks, I nap occasionally, sleepers won't knock me out but every week or so my body just decides when it's recovery time and then I sleep for 18 hours, wake and repeat. The withdrawal is AWFUL, even though I've been through it before, this time is going to be..... I don't know what to expect, but it won't be fun. I'll be medically supervised in hospital, I pay for private health insurance (ironically in case this happpened again haha). Public "dry out" clinics are a fucking joke.

Today since 1:35am when I woke after a 4 hour nap I took 3x doses 10mg each of d-amphetamine (1:35,3:15,4:05) but alas, no dice. Must be the meth or the ice finally starting to leave my body.

7;15am still awake, 40mg d-amp (oral, obviously)

"This just makes me want to shoot it. It's not even taking the edge off, it's torturing me."

I took a valium and that sort of chilled me out for the time being.

1:10pm --> 20mg d-amp + 1-mg diazepam
2:15pm --> 50mg d-amp + sodium bi-carb

I knew the 20mg dose wouldn't do anything, but the 50 seemed to at least chill me out a bit. The problem is that's now a total of 140mg of dextroamphetamine consumed in the last 24 hours. 28x 5mg tablets. That can't be good for me.

C'mon Magnesium, please help.

I could just not take any d-amp tomorrow, I mean I am addicted but if I sleep, then depending on how i feel when I wake I sometimes can go for half the day, sometimes longer without feeling a desire for speed.

Bed now. Nitrazepam ah, almost guarantees a rest from being awake. Thanks GP :-)

Goodnight all. Be safe. I'll update, tomorrow, a week... I dunno, give this Mg element a chance to do it's thing that it's apparently supposed to help with.

TOL
 
500mg capsules containing 100mg Mg pure element. Took one an hour ago, took two a few minutes ago.
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what is the name brand?
I think your body only needs 400mg mag supplement daily.
You're going to shit your pants if you take too much also.
I take albion chelated. I buy it on Amazon.com
If you google ( image ) amphetamine taper, you might find a chart that shows a taper from prescription amphetamine use to no use.
 
You're not going to get neurotoxicity from only 20mg of Adderall/Dexedrine.

That's a low dose. If you were taking very high doses of Adderall or Dexedrine daily, and even using meth then yes you would have to worry about the neurotoxicity.

Regarding your last question: Yes people can and do get addicted to DXM. I used to correspond with a guy who was big into DXM and he did get addicted to it, and became an alcoholic as well because of the alcohol that was in the cough syrup he would drink. I have known people who took only the DXM powder and got addicted to that.
 
beagleboy said:
what is the name brand?
I think your body only needs 400mg mag supplement daily.
You're going to shit your pants if you take too much also.
I take albion chelated. I buy it on Amazon.com
If you google ( image ) amphetamine taper, you might find a chart that shows a taper from prescription amphetamine use to no use.
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Nature's Own "Magnesium Chelate 500mg". The bottle says to take 3x capsules twice daily. The fine print reads "Magnesium amino acid chelate 500mg equiv. to elemental magnesium 100mg".
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Thread is for redlightblulight

here is my info:

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here are the labels and brands of what magnesium I use during amphetamine binges. I also put in a pic of a micron filter. Its 45ml . A typical coffe filter is 100ml allowing much more garbage to get through.
The delsym is good too. On a 24 hour clock, I would dose 45mg prior to using amphetamines and then 12 hours later also.




The DXM cough syrup allows you to experience the euphoria again and again preventing you from building a tolerance through being forced taking more and more to experience the effects.
 
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