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Prescription Hallucinogen?

Isn't Benzydamine (benflogin) a prescription hallucinogen? Used recreationally in south america mostly, but is prescribed as an anti-inflammatory in north america in the form of a mouth wash.. the directions dictate that you gargle and spit the shit back out.. but if you water it down and ingest it, it's supposedly similiar to acid.

though i dont know if it's actually classified as a hallucinogen
 
what about certain malaria medication. I went on a trip to southeast asia and someone on the trip said their doctor told them possible side effects of their malaria medication are nightmares and strong hallucinations. SHe didn't appear to get any of those side effects but I wonder if you dosed right if u could?
 
Does anyone on BL have experience or know of any studies where they have been shown to be effective as well?
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I've spoken with cluster headache sufferers who said that they and many others have had luck with LSA-containing seeds, too. That's not a tryptamine, but I assume the vasoconstrictive effects of many 5-HT agonists is what is mostly responsible for cluster headache relief. However, I'm not sure why something that lasts just a few hours as a psychedelic should provide such lengthy relief.
 
Paxil made me hallucinate for 4 days straight. after the 1st day i didn't wanna take it anymore so i stopped cold turkey and the hallucinations became extremely intense. I DO NOT advise anyone to stop paxil or other SSRIs cold turkey.
 
psood0nym said:
I've spoken with cluster headache sufferers who said that they and many others have had luck with LSA-containing seeds, too. That's not a tryptamine, but I assume the vasoconstrictive effects of many 5-HT agonists is what is mostly responsible for cluster headache relief. However, I'm not sure why something that lasts just a few hours as a psychedelic should provide such lengthy relief.
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Apparently the vasoconstrictive properties of certain psychedelics last a lot longer than the hallucinogenic properties. This may explain why psychedelics show positive side effects long after the hallucinogenic properties have subsided.

I don't think the mechanism of action is understood. The fact that psychedelics have been shown to be effective in the treatment of cluster headaches is fascinating though! Anyone with links to studies on this would be extremely appreciated.

Thanks everyone!
 
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^Dorabinol is likely the only true prescription hallucinogen besides LSD, and acid is only currently used in medicine in Switzerland. Feels clean, like quality hash. I would like to try a heavy dose and see what happens.

Talwin NX can produce a very strange trip: Dissociative, delirious, and visual.

Zolpidem causes temporary schitzoprenic effects in high doses.
 
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benzydamine is an strange looking drug i almost wonder if it could have serotonergic activity...its basically a structural isomer of zolpidem (with the exception of two pesky hydrogen atoms) i would be interested in tasting it.
 
love_sex_desire said:
I've heard that some ergolines have been shown to relieve migraines, but not LSD as far as I know. Al though LSD has been shown to relieve cluster headaches along with psilocybin mushrooms. MAPS is conducting studies into psilocybin and LSD for cluster headaches.

My friend uses psilocybin mushrooms medicinally. His cluster headaches come in cycles; a few months without headaches, and then a few months with increasingly intense cluster headaches. If he takes mushrooms before his headaches, he skips the entire cycle. If he takes mushrooms while he's having cluster headaches, the headaches stop until the next cycle.

He found out by mistake. When he was younger he did mushrooms for fun while he was having his headaches. He noticed the headaches went away but didn't think anything of it. The next time he did mushrooms he noticed that he skipped his entire cycle, and then remembered how his headaches went away the first time he did mushrooms. Ever since then he simply takes mushrooms at least once every five months or so and he never gets cluster headaches.


Has anyone found that any other tryptamines relieve cluster headaches? I've only heard of LSD and psilocybin, but I'm interested if any other typtamines can relieve them. I'd assume other chemicals similar to psylocibin would relieve them, such as 4-ACO-DMT and 4-OH-DMT.

Does anyone on BL have experience or know of any studies where they have been shown to be effective as well?



Are you implying all tryptamines can relieve severe cluster headaches? I'd like to see a study showing which tryptamines have been shown to be effective if you know of any.
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well all the triptan class drugs could be considered tryptamines, and since both psilocybin & 4-aco-dmt are both at least partially metabolized into psilocin I'd imagine 4-aco-dmt would have a similar effect. I forget exactly which of the smattering of various 5HT receptors are agonized by the effective headache treatments, though I know its several. I believe several 5HT1 subtypes are among them and i'm sure the info wouldn't be terribly hard to find.

Here's some links: Response of cluster headaches to psilocybin & LSD

Erowid cluster headaches page


And as for the original question, there are very few worthwhile psychedelic, or psychedelic-ish, drugs available via prescription. And you're certainly not going to be able to get a doctor to prescribe something like ketamine without having some pretty severe & long term problems
 
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delsymfan said:
Yeah that ones kinda lame... but its fun for a try or two... until you wake up pantsless in the hallway with a towel in the toilet and vomit on the floor with no recollection of any of it.

For the record, AMT was a prescription drug that ended up being pulled BECAUSE of it causing hallucinations. Sad to say, this stuff happens. So despite a drug being perfectly good at what it is supposed to do, as soon as people abuse it for a "trip" or visuals, they get pulled....
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i'm glad someone said it

AET (alpha ethyl tryptamine) as well, monase in the states, it was manufactured by upjohn, i can't remember what the name was for amt, i believe that was only available outside the states.
 
No, not at all. I just wanted to make it clear that it's not LSD exclusively that has the potential to help with cluster headaches. People should not read this thread and go off thinking they can ask to have LSD prescribed for headaches. Nor should they think that LSD is appropriate for simple headaches that can be treated with aspirin or tylenol.

love_sex_desire said:
Are you implying all tryptamines can relieve severe cluster headaches? I'd like to see a study showing which tryptamines have been shown to be effective if you know of any.
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AMT was Indopan, and made available in the Soviet Union....

I can say from my playing with it, that it would probably be a pretty nice anti-depressant.
 
So I presume most of these prescribed drugs are for headaches? Which is ironic because I've heard of cases of people being on these drugs and as a result have had headaches...

Is there any way to get them for back pain?
 
mrjackjones said:
Talwin NX can produce a very strange trip: Dissociative, delirious, and visual.
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I dunno if I would call Kappa heavy opioids like pentazocine, nalbuphine or buterphanol to be really psychedelic. its more like a very heavy/visual opiate nod IMO, without the general strong euphoria of more heavily MU selective agents, but still solidly feeling like the effects of opiates. (which can be very tripy and visual in their own right in a different way then psychedelics) I do rather like pentazocine/talwin though.

hmm..i suppose technically the dissociative anesthetics from the volatile solvent class are RX. They also have GABAa agonism along with NMDA effects, but are pretty trippy regardless, inhalation of ether/halothane/desflurane/isoflurane/ect in sub-anesthetic levels produces a strange and intresting trip. Good luck getting an RX thought. But being non-controlled substances, they can be acquired with a bit of ingenuity by buying them as specialized solvents for non medical use.
 
This man needs Cheshire LSD Blotters 150ug STAT!!!!!
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On a sidenote, I've gotten buscopan which is scopolamine with a t-Bu group attached to it so it just about can't pass the BBB. It treats GI spasms but I could have sworn there was some typical psychoactivity. Meh must have been placebo. Still an interesting illustration I think.
 
Feste said:
AET too.
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as i stated in my earlier post, AET was known as monase, as manufactured by upjohn

not indopan

but i'm glad someone remembered what it was called!

my experience with amt, is that at low dose, it's a helluva mood lift (around 2-5mg)
 
Wait, vasoconstrictive?

Doesn't that mean constricting of vessels? Wouldn't that make a headache WORSE?

Seems like a vasoDILATIVE or whatever it would be called would be more effective, ya?

Confused...
 
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